7 years ago

Addressing Enfys Nest unique protection stacking

I was wowed they released a non-legendary, non-raid toon this good and with no warning. I marveled over the theory last night after unlocking. I stood in horror this morning that she has already taken #1 in my shard on a Rex/wampa/DN/thrawn team replacing CLS at 3 stars and g11 with god speed mods. This morning, Reddit has shown me something initially terrifying but with some potential ways to handle it.

Check this out and pay close attention to what is happening.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SWGalaxyOfHeroes/comments/8nigzy/fracturing_a_deathmarked_nest_not_even_a_scratch/

What are we seeing?
A stunned Enfys is already deathmarked and heal blocked. She already has a massive bonus protection bar. She takes 4 hits from thrawn's fracture over the deathmark and healblock, and NOTHING HAPPENS. Seems like a very sticky situation to have gotten into.

***EDIT***--- the OP of the Reddit post has realized that they pre-stacked a very high amount of protection before this by trying to stunlock and burn her. They retried and used a strategy much like one I've posted later in thread and killed her off just fine with their same team.

The ability (at level 1) reads:
"When Nest is damaged by an attack, she gains... 40% bonus protection (stacking). This Bonus Protection increases by an additional 40% each time."

How does her protection stacking work? My theory: 40% on first hit, 80% second hit, 120% third hit, etc? Is this the intended way it is doing it? (I tagged devs below and someone did in the kit release thread) A factorial stacking gives her essentially invulnerability until her next turn if she survives the initial damage and you keep attacking her. .

If they intended it to be 40, 40+40, 40+40+40, etc...Multihitters will give her 80-160% bonus protection in a single attack.

So....Is our only option to hit her ONCE per one of her turns while she can basically put out devastating debuffs, steal tm, stack crit damage if unaddressed, or just sit there and take no damage if attacked? Is our only option Annihilate?

DVZR
7 years ago
"Anavel_Gato;c-1565440" wrote:
An SNL skit called Undercover Boss: Starkiller Base from TFA release

Hilarious. Thanks.
v1vc5lzsjvv
7 years ago
a possible way to address this is allowing characters to skip their turn, similar to how old school RPGs always had a "defend" option. as it is, unless you have a very specific counter, you're hosed if enfys is the last one left alive and you have no choice but to attack her. if you could let characters pass on their turns, even if that means some kind of penalty so as to avoid abuse, you could at least deal with a mechanic like this.

it seems logically absurd that a character would have no choice but to attack even when you know very well that attack would be counterproductive. "can't help myself...must...smack...armored lady...in face...noooooooo!"
RiskRunner1
7 years ago
You know who will stop her... Nihilus. Simple.
Da_Bauers
New Spectator
7 years ago
Reading her unique again:

So first attack is +40% protection (stacking). But then it very specific states "this Bonus Protection increases by an ADDITIONAL 40% each time".

Second attack adds 40% x 40% = 56%

Third adds 40% x 40% x 40% = 78% ?

Either that or it's:

40%
80%
120% after the third, so 240% added with 3 attacks.

If so it's completely ludicrous either way.

Even Ezra's bonus doesn't stack like that. If it did he'd be like a nuclear weapon after 3 or 4 turns.
Player_7ctrhms9
7 years ago
Too early to assess her in totality. That's the beauty of the game...nobody knows how she will interact with every other character.

But, we know this for sure -

She's good. Perhaps, very good.

But...however good - there will be ways to beat her.
anavelg_o48shga
7 years ago
Round two of testing says that nihilus and plague can easily deal with her... with the caveat that whatever team you put together needs to be able to contend with both Enfys and the team she is placed on because she can be on nearly ANY team.

Also, as I posted above... to kill her without DN or plague, she must take turns just like the zKylo under zMatt setup.

I don't have traya to try Isolate and I don't have probe droid. A 'fresh' Enfys even with decent mods doesn't have the effective HP to survive probe droid's explosion (that I've seen posted so far).
emvedebe
7 years ago
"petersont79;c-1565972" wrote:
Nest is now greater then Traya, go figure. Easy enough. Another reason to not do Heroic Sith, out of the 100 other reasons.

I'm being cautious since i've never faced nest, but i'm guessing i'd rather face a team with nest in it than a team with traya in it.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"leef;c-1565981" wrote:
"petersont79;c-1565972" wrote:
Nest is now greater then Traya, go figure. Easy enough. Another reason to not do Heroic Sith, out of the 100 other reasons.

I'm being cautious since i've never faced nest, but i'm guessing i'd rather face a team with nest in it than a team with traya in it.

This.
rk260395
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1565107" wrote:
This mechanic is similar to the Sith raid bosses, there are ways to strategically get around that. You just need to be on top of it..

Except the AI will never, ever be 'on top of it'. She's an automatic win on offense making defense even more irrelevant than it normally is.

Introducing a character that absolutely requires human intervention (and specific chars on top of that intervention) is something that that should have been given a little more thought. Particularly just a marquee character essentially given for free to everyone currently playing.
DarkHelmet1138
7 years ago
I don't see much issue with this. Most of the meta run sith under ep. That team includes nihilas which can anhilate her. I kinda doubt it'll be meta changing but time will tell.