Are Phoenix worth spending Zetas on?

I put a zeta on Ezra and use him as the prime damage dealer in my jedi squad he hits like a Mack truck and pushed me from about 250 to flirting with top 100 on my alt account

@DedrickRogue
You call it colusion, most people call it coordination.
It's on the forums for people to find their shardmates, there is nothing sinister about it, and said it may explain why you see one phoenix team staying inside top 20 while I've chatted on this forum with fully zeta phoenix teams who say you will drop hard on defense more than other teams.

And yes, you were encouraging him to get them fully zeta. Your post was in response to one guy asking why invest in them more than needed to unlock thrawn, and then you go on about some phoenix team in your shard.

Wow, all the unexpected anger here aside, I was literally about to ask this very same question. My reason is I'm bored of losing against CLS teams with my own CLS team. There's so little diversity in arena. My next step was going to be NS, but I thought... if went all out on Phoenix, couldn't a fully zeta'd team do pretty well (and be fairly unique)? But it sounds like... maybe... I'm not sure but... the answer is no? Probably?

You'd be better off improving your own team.
Crit damage mods for damage dealers
High speed secondaries
Effective attack order

I just saw your profile, and i think you should be running the titan team
Cls, raid han, r2, gk, thrawn

Your thrawn needs a speed set and so does gk. Lead the charge with 225 speed from gk is killer. R2 could be faster....he should be faster than the opposing thrawn. Or thrawn is fastest and give r2 his first turn.
Han and CLS speed are ok. But han should have the potency cross, not cls.

There is no reason to lose to other CLS squads on offense with that team

"Mobewan;c-1422501" wrote:
@DedrickRogue
You call it colusion, most people call it coordination.
It's on the forums for people to find their shardmates, there is nothing sinister about it, and said it may explain why you see one phoenix team staying inside top 20 while I've chatted on this forum with fully zeta phoenix teams who say you will drop hard on defense more than other teams.

And yes, you were encouraging him to get them fully zeta. Your post was in response to one guy asking why invest in them more than needed to unlock thrawn, and then you go on about some phoenix team in your shard.

My literal 2 sentences about someone in my shard was in reference to you saying how Phoenix can't crack top 50 since CLS and RJT. I was stating that it's simply not true.

Please enlighten me and provide a quote where I advised OP to go all in on zetas on Phoenix..... Even better, I'd love to see where I suggested any zeta besides Kanan.

"DedrickRogue;c-1421940" wrote:

"CoastalJames;c-1421867" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1421852" wrote:
We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

Also interesting, thank you. I guess by the time you got Thrawn 7* then what's the point in investing in them, right?

Because they are required for LSTB, and their ships for Chimaera. You'll eventually need multiple teams for LS/DSTB & TW. Why stop until they can full clear TB so it's one less squad you have to use?

There is a full g12 4-zeta Phoenix squad in the top 10 of my Dec '15 shard. I rarely see them fall outside top 20.

That @DedrickRogue

Read what the coastaljames wrote, which you quoted, and read what you wrote my friend

"DedrickRogue;c-1421940" wrote:

"CoastalJames;c-1421867" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1421852" wrote:
We have 2 full zeta phoenix teams in our shard, and they used to poke into top 50 on occassion, but not since JTR and the 2nd CLS event.

They can beat some meta teams on offense, but the phoenix team will fall hard on defense.

In my opinion, it isnt worth any zeta on phoenix whether for arena or any other part of the game.

Also interesting, thank you. I guess by the time you got Thrawn 7* then what's the point in investing in them, right?

Because they are required for LSTB, and their ships for Chimaera. You'll eventually need multiple teams for LS/DSTB & TW. Why stop until they can full clear TB so it's one less squad you have to use?

There is a full g12 4-zeta Phoenix squad in the top 10 of my Dec '15 shard. I rarely see them fall outside top 20.

This looks like you are answering coastaljames about why should someone invest in phoenix beyond unlocking thrawn

Look man, I'm just trying to help the guy out based on what i saw in my shard (which i stated originally), and that people who use phoenix and love phoenix fully zeta find that they fall hard on defense every day.

Look out for the best interest of the OP.
He already had a great team

@Lilpup your best zeta i can see on your profile is thrawn ebb and flow.

"Mobewan;c-1422515" wrote:
You'd be better off improving your own team.
Crit damage mods for damage dealers
High speed secondaries
Effective attack order

I just saw your profile, and i think you should be running the titan team
Cls, raid han, r2, gk, thrawn

Your thrawn needs a speed set and so does gk. Lead the charge with 225 speed from gk is killer. R2 could be faster....he should be faster than the opposing thrawn. Or thrawn is fastest and give r2 his first turn.
Han and CLS speed are ok. But han should have the potency cross, not cls.

There is no reason to lose to other CLS squads on offense with that team

Thanks for all the replies guys. Seems I sparked a lil debate. The reason I started thinking about Phoenix was they seems to be a team needed in a bunch of different events. I still haven't beat the bonus stage where Sidiuous AOE's my entire Phoenix squad.

As far as my roster https://swgoh.gg/u/lilpuppy99/collection/ I do have a fully geared and/or zeta'd R2, GK and Han Solo. My CLS and Nihlus are both fully geared, but missing their Leadership Zeta. My Thrawn is fully geared and just missing his Ebb and Flow Zeta and my Barriss is zeta'd but I just got her to G12 so she needs those 3 gear pieces.

I have been switching in Arena between CLS, Zolo, R2, GK, and Thrawn and GK, Zarriss, R2, Zihlus, and Thrawn.

I usually fall to around 50 on defense and can climb to around 20 with my 5 attacks. I have 2 Zeta's ready to go to someone. I will move some mods around and see how that works. Thank you.

"Mobewan;c-1422567" wrote:
@Lilpup your best zeta i can see on your profile is thrawn ebb and flow.

Hi, Yes I still have yet to zeta Thrawn. I wasn't sure how that would help since I don't use him with other Empire. Of my top toons, I also need to zeta CLS and Nihlus Leaderships. I currently am sitting on two Zeta's that I can use.

The other zetas that I have been considering are Savage's, Jyn Erso's , BB8, General Veers, and Darth Maul. I had been hoping Palpatine would get a rework/zeta this month but so far nothing.

Does Ebb and Flow really make that much of a difference in Arena? How does Luke lead stack up on offense vs the MT, JTR, GK/Zarriss teams? Do I need to use my 2 zetas on those two to get back to #1?