Capital ship gaining TM out of the blue

"Kyno;c-1640465" wrote:

"Val_Galahadred;c-1640459" wrote:
OP’s question has been answered by multiple posters. Shouldn’t the thread be closed, Kyno ?

left it open in case he has more details that could prove this to be incorrect.

I got it. It's EA's rule for this game. It makes absolutely no sense, but, it's da rulz! I can understand this when there's a difference in TM but at some point, both characters/ships reach full TM at the same time...that's an exception. But in this case, it's just like chess, soccer, backgammon etc. The only "coin toss" happens in the begining and that's it. You don't see the players coin tossing throughout the game, it's one and done! By doing this, you're trading strategy for RNG, a thing EA seems to love.

"Pyrefly;c-1640531" wrote:

"BitterDevil;c-1640525" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1640465" wrote:

"Val_Galahadred;c-1640459" wrote:
OP’s question has been answered by multiple posters. Shouldn’t the thread be closed, Kyno ?

left it open in case he has more details that could prove this to be incorrect.

I got it. It's EA's rule for this game. It makes absolutely no sense, but, it's da rulz! I can understand this when there's a difference in TM but at some point, both characters/ships reach full TM at the same time...that's an exception. But in this case, it's just like chess, soccer, backgammon etc. The only "coin toss" happens in the begining and that's it. You don't see the players coin tossing throughout the game, it's one and done! By doing this, you're trading strategy for RNG, a thing EA seems to love.

That's not at all true. The reason that most sporting events have only a single coin toss is because the fairness lies in each side getting a chance to have the advantage; the coin toss is only to see who gets the advantage first, not who gets to have advantage throughout the entire game. In point of fact, overtime often calls for a second coin toss (or jump ball).
It would be one thing if you wanted to argue that after the first coin toss, both sides should alternate who wins a TM tie, but to argue that whomever wins first should win throughout is not arguing for skill vs. RNG.

Yes, you are right...coin toss is used in every turn based game...like chess, backgammon, poker, rummy etc. Oh, wait...they don't. They either use one single coin toss for the entire game, thus giving the advantage to the winning player. OR they alternate, to even out the odds. However, they do not use coin toss every single time. Because by doing that, they eliminate the possibility to have a coherent strategy.

I wouldn't mind having alternating turns in cases of TM ties. IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO FORM A STRATEGY! But, that was the main cause of your 3 ship downgrade, there was too much strategy in the 5 ship start-up. You couldn't have the players using their heads... That would mean less reliance on MONEY to win. If we'd have the ability to strategize, the "biggest army" would be less of a factor, which is bad for your pockets.

I have no problems with people making money, but i have a problem with people lying that it's not about making money but making the game better :))

Yeah, one of 3 things is happening:
You both get 100% TM at the same time, and he wins the coon toss.
He has reaper on the field and a ship dies between 3 and 4.
His tie dodges between 3 and 4.

Possibly: Executrix hits a TL enemy with Vader in the field. I don’t know if that’s how it’s supposed to work, but I feel like I’ve see that work against me before where an enemy Chimaera with less speed than mine took turns faster with no Tie Fighter/Reaper on the field. I’d have to do some research to be certain though.

I dislike how ties are handled..also.

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1640647" wrote:
Yeah, one of 3 things is happening:
You both get 100% TM at the same time, and he wins the **** toss.
He has reaper on the field and a ship dies between 3 and 4.
His tie dodges between 3 and 4.

Possibly: Executrix hits a TL enemy with Vader in the field. I don’t know if that’s how it’s supposed to work, but I feel like I’ve see that work against me before where an enemy Chimaera with less speed than mine took turns faster with no Tie Fighter/Reaper on the field. I’d have to do some research to be certain though.

no TM affecting ships were fielded during the 4 turns

"BitterDevil;c-1640660" wrote:

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1640647" wrote:
Yeah, one of 3 things is happening:
You both get 100% TM at the same time, and he wins the **** toss.
He has reaper on the field and a ship dies between 3 and 4.
His tie dodges between 3 and 4.

Possibly: Executrix hits a TL enemy with Vader in the field. I don’t know if that’s how it’s supposed to work, but I feel like I’ve see that work against me before where an enemy Chimaera with less speed than mine took turns faster with no Tie Fighter/Reaper on the field. I’d have to do some research to be certain though.

no TM affecting ships were fielded during the 4 turns

Then you probably just lost the coin flip. I’ve seen this work for/against me several times. If you want a way to fix it, reinforce Reaper and make sure someone dies before it’s ultimate time. Despite the nerf to amount, his TMR is now irresistible and will guarantee you go first on all subsequent turns in mirror matches.
Note: just tested Vader out, doesn’t seem to give TM to capital ship.

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1640647" wrote:
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His tie dodges between 3 and 4.
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If you look closer at the solar panels it's a First Order Tie, not an Imperial. Almost caught me out too. :)

"Pyrefly;c-1640531" wrote:

"BitterDevil;c-1640525" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1640465" wrote:

"Val_Galahadred;c-1640459" wrote:
OP’s question has been answered by multiple posters. Shouldn’t the thread be closed, Kyno ?

left it open in case he has more details that could prove this to be incorrect.

I got it. It's EA's rule for this game. It makes absolutely no sense, but, it's da rulz! I can understand this when there's a difference in TM but at some point, both characters/ships reach full TM at the same time...that's an exception. But in this case, it's just like chess, soccer, backgammon etc. The only "coin toss" happens in the begining and that's it. You don't see the players coin tossing throughout the game, it's one and done! By doing this, you're trading strategy for RNG, a thing EA seems to love.

That's not at all true. The reason that most sporting events have only a single coin toss is because the fairness lies in each side getting a chance to have the advantage; the coin toss is only to see who gets the advantage first, not who gets to have advantage throughout the entire game. In point of fact, overtime often calls for a second coin toss (or jump ball).
It would be one thing if you wanted to argue that after the first coin toss, both sides should alternate who wins a TM tie, but to argue that whomever wins first should win throughout is not arguing for skill vs. RNG.

The setup of those games dictates that after the initial "who goes first" is settled, there are provisions from that point on for how the game progresses.

In this game the stated mechanic is that when multiple characters/ships get 100% TM, there is a coin toss at that time.

"BitterDevil;c-1640571" wrote:

"Pyrefly;c-1640531" wrote:

"BitterDevil;c-1640525" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1640465" wrote:

"Val_Galahadred;c-1640459" wrote:
OP’s question has been answered by multiple posters. Shouldn’t the thread be closed, Kyno ?

left it open in case he has more details that could prove this to be incorrect.

I got it. It's EA's rule for this game. It makes absolutely no sense, but, it's da rulz! I can understand this when there's a difference in TM but at some point, both characters/ships reach full TM at the same time...that's an exception. But in this case, it's just like chess, soccer, backgammon etc. The only "coin toss" happens in the begining and that's it. You don't see the players coin tossing throughout the game, it's one and done! By doing this, you're trading strategy for RNG, a thing EA seems to love.

That's not at all true. The reason that most sporting events have only a single coin toss is because the fairness lies in each side getting a chance to have the advantage; the coin toss is only to see who gets the advantage first, not who gets to have advantage throughout the entire game. In point of fact, overtime often calls for a second coin toss (or jump ball).
It would be one thing if you wanted to argue that after the first coin toss, both sides should alternate who wins a TM tie, but to argue that whomever wins first should win throughout is not arguing for skill vs. RNG.

Yes, you are right...coin toss is used in every turn based game...like chess, backgammon, poker, rummy etc. Oh, wait...they don't. They either use one single coin toss for the entire game, thus giving the advantage to the winning player. OR they alternate, to even out the odds. However, they do not use coin toss every single time. Because by doing that, they eliminate the possibility to have a coherent strategy.

I wouldn't mind having alternating turns in cases of TM ties. IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO FORM A STRATEGY! But, that was the main cause of your 3 ship downgrade, there was too much strategy in the 5 ship start-up. You couldn't have the players using their heads... That would mean less reliance on MONEY to win. If we'd have the ability to strategize, the "biggest army" would be less of a factor, which is bad for your pockets.

I have no problems with people making money, but i have a problem with people lying that it's not about making money but making the game better :))

Any fixed system would actually take away from the startegy, since you cant increase speed past X in ships. You would know that right after that initial coin toss if you were going to win or lose with a fair amount of certainty. That's not strategy.

"Kyno;c-1640734" wrote:

"BitterDevil;c-1640571" wrote:

"Pyrefly;c-1640531" wrote:

"BitterDevil;c-1640525" wrote:

"Kyno;c-1640465" wrote:

"Val_Galahadred;c-1640459" wrote:
OP’s question has been answered by multiple posters. Shouldn’t the thread be closed, Kyno ?

left it open in case he has more details that could prove this to be incorrect.

I got it. It's EA's rule for this game. It makes absolutely no sense, but, it's da rulz! I can understand this when there's a difference in TM but at some point, both characters/ships reach full TM at the same time...that's an exception. But in this case, it's just like chess, soccer, backgammon etc. The only "coin toss" happens in the begining and that's it. You don't see the players coin tossing throughout the game, it's one and done! By doing this, you're trading strategy for RNG, a thing EA seems to love.

That's not at all true. The reason that most sporting events have only a single coin toss is because the fairness lies in each side getting a chance to have the advantage; the coin toss is only to see who gets the advantage first, not who gets to have advantage throughout the entire game. In point of fact, overtime often calls for a second coin toss (or jump ball).
It would be one thing if you wanted to argue that after the first coin toss, both sides should alternate who wins a TM tie, but to argue that whomever wins first should win throughout is not arguing for skill vs. RNG.

Yes, you are right...coin toss is used in every turn based game...like chess, backgammon, poker, rummy etc. Oh, wait...they don't. They either use one single coin toss for the entire game, thus giving the advantage to the winning player. OR they alternate, to even out the odds. However, they do not use coin toss every single time. Because by doing that, they eliminate the possibility to have a coherent strategy.

I wouldn't mind having alternating turns in cases of TM ties. IT WOULD ALLOW ME TO FORM A STRATEGY! But, that was the main cause of your 3 ship downgrade, there was too much strategy in the 5 ship start-up. You couldn't have the players using their heads... That would mean less reliance on MONEY to win. If we'd have the ability to strategize, the "biggest army" would be less of a factor, which is bad for your pockets.

I have no problems with people making money, but i have a problem with people lying that it's not about making money but making the game better :))

Any fixed system would actually take away from the startegy, since you cant increase speed past X in ships. You would know that right after that initial coin toss if you were going to win or lose with a fair amount of certainty. That's not strategy.

WHAT? That is pure nonsense! Please read again what you just said, I am giving you another chance to rewrite that statement and not make a fool out of yourself!