JMK breaks the status quo.

"TVF;c-2278780" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278748" wrote:




10 Kenobi in top 14. A top 14 that used to be quite diverse.


There was a time where every single toon in arena was the same. You enter arena and all three battles were the same choice, no matter how many times you refreshed. We all hated it.

False

Glad to see you enjoyed the stale meta, friend.

"Kyno;c-2278754" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2278692" wrote:

"TVF;c-2278691" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2278690" wrote:

"TVF;c-2278689" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278683" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278668" wrote:

This is exactly what I wanted from CAT / JMK.

As alien as it may seem to some, I love the rewards I get from arena, and I like to get them with as little effort as possible.

Having to watch my back for a 1 GL 2.9M GP player who climbs at all hours of the day is not what I want.

Fighting 8,9,10 battles a day in squad arena is not what I want, even if there is variety in the squads I use in doing so. I already have to endure this in fleet arena.

Seeing that 1 GL player reduced to feeding off scraps and sticking in the 20s all day is exactly what I want.

And I am completely OK with the next GL replacing JMK, because I am confident I’ll unlock them much much faster than almost everyone else in my shard.

Do you as a 5 year old player really have someone with 2.9M GP in your shard? Did they suddenly come back?
Thanks to the power of money they will most likely be able to buy their way to the next GL and bother your still.

Maybe not 2.9m but we are in an April 2017 and have had several sub 5m players with one GL show up out of nowhere and cause payout issues for others. These people don't spend money, if they did they would be able to keep up with power creep. They are taking advantage of rock paper scissors instead.

I'd have to disagree. While some level of power creep is healthy for the game, I don't think it should be at a level as to lock out ftp players. Currently See and JML are recent enough that they should (and do) have a chance against the new meta.

I didn't say lock out f2p players. I don't consider Rey or SLKR recent enough, and SEE and JML are pushing it. F2p players in 4 year old shard should need to get the newest thing to compete at the top of arena, not any one GL.

I agree that the next few GLs should push Rey and Slkr from the top of arena. But see and jml are literally the newest GLs prior to this one. They should still have some viability for the next meta or two.

I would imagine that giving a GL a small boost with a new toon is "easier" and therefore may happen over the next while rather than trying to keep the current pace of GLs, not to mention we will shortly run low on "GL worthy" characters.

It's probably easier but not necessarily more profitable. Even with the relatively easy requirements of jmk, I'm sure he cost more resources than CAT. At end game especially, it was really easy to get 7 star CAT ftp. With 3 mo notice hoarding some gear wouldn't be that hard. I didn't since I'm working on jmk ftp but if you already had him then there isn't a lot of monetization there.

If you consider both close together there can be. But if they released a toon to make Rey or Kylo meta again rather than releasing more GLs, then there wouldn't be much profit if they were a conquest character.

So I'm guessing we'll still have some GLs coming even after Vader. There's the possibility of a mando era gl but I think that will be awhile since we may need more content before we see the big bad. (My guess is ashoka and thrawn). Maybe we'll get an old republic and with empire GL if they need to stall some.

My point is that 2 years down the road, we won't have 8 GLs that are all competitive but likely 4 that are competitive and 4 that are less competitive.

diversity in arena depends on your shard. on main account there were only JML and SEE, no place for Rey or SLKR. Rey teams are between Top 200- 400. Now with Kenobi becoming more and more famous in my shard top 20 belongs to them.

in my shard u never had the chance of fighting against 4 different GLs. for me ( JML owner ) it is always a mirror match.
same for fleets. 5 Male and 45 Negos in there.

on my alt account:
arenashard full of every GLs and only one Kenobi.
fleet: even the MILF meta is present or some Hux fleets.

"TVF;c-2278780" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278748" wrote:




10 Kenobi in top 14. A top 14 that used to be quite diverse.


There was a time where every single toon in arena was the same. You enter arena and all three battles were the same choice, no matter how many times you refreshed. We all hated it.

False

A statement without provenance, back up information, statistics, or even a well thought out opinion written clearly and succinctly, is invalid and worthless.

True.

"Kyno;c-2278754" wrote:


I would imagine that giving a GL a small boost with a new toon is "easier" and therefore may happen over the next while rather than trying to keep the current pace of GLs, not to mention we will shortly run low on "GL worthy" characters.

I said it before - massive jumps in power creep hurt the game. CG have been backing themselves into a corner for a long time now. They taught players to expect the next big thing to significantly outperform previous big things. If they want to keep players hooked they need Epic GLs and Legendary GLs.
Power creep is fine but it needs to be slow and steady. Always replacing old meta with a new meta is a bad way to go about it. Look at how long and complicated the kits are nowadays - JMK = 790 words, JML = 637 words, SEE = 721 words. SEE gets two new abilities in his ultimate yet his kit is shorter than JMK's...
I doubt they are going to release a character to specifically boost SLKR's viability for example. They might release something that will benefit him (like SEE+armorer) but I don't think they would do it on purpose.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278820" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278748" wrote:
There was a time where every single toon in arena was the same. You enter arena and all three battles were the same choice, no matter how many times you refreshed. We all hated it. No individuality. No choice.

That’s the bit I think is false - and the beauty is, because I know some people didn’t hate it, it is by definition false to claim we all hated it.

Fair. But his post required that information to be valid.

However to the contrary, having been part of these forums, the game, and the wider community in general since Nov 2016, I am safe in my post that the majority, though I will now accept not all, players did not enjoy the stagnation, and have been enjoying the recent liberation of personal choice.

As a member of a well-organized arena shard server, the best meta was actually GAS-501. Everyone can beat everyone easily as long as you have GAS 501. Nobody needs to beg anyone to drop mods or change characters to reach the top. As long as the PO time was respected, everyone could get 500 crystals every day.

The GAS-Meta was Socialism in its purest form.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278825" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278824" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278820" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278748" wrote:
There was a time where every single toon in arena was the same. You enter arena and all three battles were the same choice, no matter how many times you refreshed. We all hated it. No individuality. No choice.

That’s the bit I think is false - and the beauty is, because I know some people didn’t hate it, it is by definition false to claim we all hated it.

Fair. But his post required that information to be valid.

However to the contrary, having been part of these forums, the game, and the wider community in general since Nov 2016, I am safe in my post that the majority, though I will now accept not all, players did not enjoy the stagnation, and have been enjoying the recent liberation of personal choice.

Of course, what constitutes enjoyment is different for different people.

I’ve stated before I enjoy the rewards more than the process, so anything that makes it tougher for people with less developed rosters than me to contest those rewards with me, I’m going to like.

Since I’ve been playing and earning top end arena rewards (I didn’t really crack top 20 til Traya) there have been 3 types of meta I’ve seen:

1) hard-to-get characters, mods not especially important.
This includes Traya, JKR, GAS. These were monotonous as you rarely if ever lost a mirror match once you knew the best strategy, but the exclusivity of the characters meant that there wasn’t a horde of people snapping at your heels.

2) hard-to-get characters, mods extremely important
This was the DR / Malak meta for me. I didn’t get Malak first time, which left me struggling in squad arena for months. And even when I got him, some people were still extremely hard to beat because of their superior mods.

3) RPS
This is what we have now, and I personally find it dull. Yes I can fight a JML team, followed by SLKR, followed by SEE, and I’d swap to the hard counter each time - but the battles themselves were pretty much full auto. Certainly after a handful of moves you could perfectly safely press auto.

Of those 3 options, my preference remains #1, and I’m crossing my fingers that this is what JMK/CAT brings.

And I’m thinking that being able to bring a counter is what made it boring for you, but not always having the specific one made it exciting for others. We have to get freaky with our rosters to pull off a win. So it’s exciting, and it doesn’t always work. It’s made arena and stuff quite fun when it was just a task before, much like you experience now.

I can see how RPS would be boring for someone who already has everything because when you can play rock, paper and scissors at the same time it kinda loses it's appeal. But that's not the case for majority of players and I don't think the game should only cater to the top 1%.
I don't see the point of playing a multiplayer game without the multiplayer part.

"th3evo;c-2278856" wrote:
I can see how RPS would be boring for someone who already has everything because when you can play rock, paper and scissors at the same time it kinda loses it's appeal. But that's not the case for majority of players and I don't think the game should only cater to the top 1%.
I don't see the point of playing a multiplayer game without the multiplayer part.

Some people like PvE more.

Also, some people like TW/GAC more.