JMK breaks the status quo.

"th3evo;c-2278856" wrote:
I can see how RPS would be boring for someone who already has everything because when you can play rock, paper and scissors at the same time it kinda loses it's appeal. But that's not the case for majority of players and I don't think the game should only cater to the top 1%.

It doesn't only cater to the top 1%. One could argue that the fact that the meta has been very open and diverse for the past several months is, in fact, proof that it doesn't.

Many would argue (and rightfully so), that the game has to cater to the top 1%, at least some of the time. Whether that 1% are spenders or not (hint: there are 8+ million GP players that are f2p and always have been).

"TVF;c-2278869" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278856" wrote:
I can see how RPS would be boring for someone who already has everything because when you can play rock, paper and scissors at the same time it kinda loses it's appeal. But that's not the case for majority of players and I don't think the game should only cater to the top 1%.
I don't see the point of playing a multiplayer game without the multiplayer part.

Some people like PvE more.

Also, some people like TW/GAC more.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about the multiplayer part of my comment?

"Crayons;c-2278845" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278825" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278824" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278820" wrote:

"Crayons;c-2278748" wrote:
There was a time where every single toon in arena was the same. You enter arena and all three battles were the same choice, no matter how many times you refreshed. We all hated it. No individuality. No choice.

That’s the bit I think is false - and the beauty is, because I know some people didn’t hate it, it is by definition false to claim we all hated it.

Fair. But his post required that information to be valid.

However to the contrary, having been part of these forums, the game, and the wider community in general since Nov 2016, I am safe in my post that the majority, though I will now accept not all, players did not enjoy the stagnation, and have been enjoying the recent liberation of personal choice.

Of course, what constitutes enjoyment is different for different people.

I’ve stated before I enjoy the rewards more than the process, so anything that makes it tougher for people with less developed rosters than me to contest those rewards with me, I’m going to like.

Since I’ve been playing and earning top end arena rewards (I didn’t really crack top 20 til Traya) there have been 3 types of meta I’ve seen:

1) hard-to-get characters, mods not especially important.
This includes Traya, JKR, GAS. These were monotonous as you rarely if ever lost a mirror match once you knew the best strategy, but the exclusivity of the characters meant that there wasn’t a horde of people snapping at your heels.

2) hard-to-get characters, mods extremely important
This was the DR / Malak meta for me. I didn’t get Malak first time, which left me struggling in squad arena for months. And even when I got him, some people were still extremely hard to beat because of their superior mods.

3) RPS
This is what we have now, and I personally find it dull. Yes I can fight a JML team, followed by SLKR, followed by SEE, and I’d swap to the hard counter each time - but the battles themselves were pretty much full auto. Certainly after a handful of moves you could perfectly safely press auto.

Of those 3 options, my preference remains #1, and I’m crossing my fingers that this is what JMK/CAT brings.

And I’m thinking that being able to bring a counter is what made it boring for you, but not always having the specific one made it exciting for others. We have to get freaky with our rosters to pull off a win. So it’s exciting, and it doesn’t always work. It’s made arena and stuff quite fun when it was just a task before, much like you experience now.

So…. Kind of like we have right now? (If we don’t have Kenobi/CAT)

"Nikoms565;c-2278906" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278856" wrote:
I can see how RPS would be boring for someone who already has everything because when you can play rock, paper and scissors at the same time it kinda loses it's appeal. But that's not the case for majority of players and I don't think the game should only cater to the top 1%.

It doesn't only cater to the top 1%. One could argue that the fact that the meta has been very open and diverse for the past several months is, in fact, proof that it doesn't.

Many would argue (and rightfully so), that the game has to cater to the top 1%, at least some of the time. Whether that 1% are spenders or not (hint: there are 8+ million GP players that are f2p and always have been).

I agree with your comment. I don't know why you think I don't. I just said that I understand why someone like DarjeloSalas wouldn't enjoy RPS. But the rest of us average players (probably) prefer RPS that we currently have. Sometimes catering to the top 1% is also fine.

JMK isn't harder to beat with CAT. It was tricky to work out, yes, but actually now that I have the strategy down JML crushes it reliably and it's hilarious to see him hit his ult and wipe the other team from teh board in a couple more turns. Only time I lost today was when JMK was faster than me. And I won the rematch. If you're struggling with her I'd say practice more with different strategies. In my fights today I stopped her from even doing force leap in 2 battles.

the ppl running her with KAM amuse me to no end. it's a great self-nuke of KAM's abilities. Nice of them to give me that assist.

I see a lot of different opinions and really can relate to most of them.

Many players like the fact they have the option to splurge time or money or both to put it on cruise control. I get this.

I’m a 6.5 mil player with SLKR and SEE. I’m not super hardcore, spend a little here and there but probably barely make the status of a minnow. One thing RPS allowed for was me not to have to rush anything but could still maintain some ease in arena.
But it was nice because you could remain relevant with a couple GLs and weave through depending on what you used. Of course there were those that hated there wasn’t one ring to rule them all they could plug and okay, with little to no effort and keep reaping 500 crystals a day.

I think what JMK represents is a kin to a slap in the face for those of us that focused SEE. That monstrous mega thread of complaints and issues with SEE were constantly stifled as we were told over and over again it was being monitored and of course it just slowly dwindled away. Insert Kenobi- we now have a GL (light side of course) that literally hard counters SEE who’s only purpose was to counter Jedis. Yes we all know SEE has compositions that can still win, not even close to reliably and quickly become very futile if those off comps are low or non reliced. But yes all current GLs can beat Kenobies…but at best running about a 1 in 3 chance the more that fill the shard the more it becomes too costly to bother trying. It’s a massive disparity compared to previous power gaps, which contradicts the idea GLs would have. Mods of course also play a significant role here.

Do I think it will change? God no, CG does what CG does. It is becoming more and more difficult to avoid paywalls if you didn’t start from the beginning or you never take a break. If you want to catch up to the meta you will pay. I found it hilarious when they added Bando to the feats in GCs to red box. So I bit my lip and pumped some money to finish his journey and I could just throw him into a strong team and get completion credit even if he wasn’t strong. Like two GCs later it was Bando has to deal 100k or 300k damage and I almost came unglued lol.

"Nikoms565;c-2279040" wrote:

"Dkfusion;c-2279037" wrote:

I think what JMK represents is a kin to a slap in the face for those of us that focused SEE.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2nGfl4QfpCtW/giphy.gif

I approve!!

"Pile;c-2279179" wrote:

"TVF;c-2278689" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278683" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278668" wrote:

This is exactly what I wanted from CAT / JMK.

As alien as it may seem to some, I love the rewards I get from arena, and I like to get them with as little effort as possible.

Having to watch my back for a 1 GL 2.9M GP player who climbs at all hours of the day is not what I want.

Fighting 8,9,10 battles a day in squad arena is not what I want, even if there is variety in the squads I use in doing so. I already have to endure this in fleet arena.

Seeing that 1 GL player reduced to feeding off scraps and sticking in the 20s all day is exactly what I want.

And I am completely OK with the next GL replacing JMK, because I am confident I’ll unlock them much much faster than almost everyone else in my shard.

Do you as a 5 year old player really have someone with 2.9M GP in your shard? Did they suddenly come back?
Thanks to the power of money they will most likely be able to buy their way to the next GL and bother your still.

Maybe not 2.9m but we are in an April 2017 and have had several sub 5m players with one GL show up out of nowhere and cause payout issues for others. These people don't spend money, if they did they would be able to keep up with power creep. They are taking advantage of rock paper scissors instead.

Absolutely this. All casual players had to do was get to the point where they unlocked SLK and SEE and they could climb to the upper levels of our 2016 shard. You see the same thing in fleet as you're almost guaranteed to see a new face in the top 20 after every territory battle.

I'm glad that at least my fleet shard is lazy.

"Nikoms565;c-2279177" wrote:
I would just like to point out that in the gif above, no one else is doing the slapping.....

Thanks. It was funny, now it's not. Do I need to explain this?

"TVF;c-2279202" wrote:

"Nikoms565;c-2279177" wrote:
I would just like to point out that in the gif above, no one else is doing the slapping.....

I'd post a Ric "you catch on pretty quick" gif but to be fair to you, the forums are not really known for catching on quick, so in this case you explaining it seems reasonable.

Because I said I approve of his counter argument or "meme" suddenly we're all a bunch of dolts? Don't be so divvy.

"Pile;c-2279179" wrote:

"TVF;c-2278689" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278683" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278668" wrote:

This is exactly what I wanted from CAT / JMK.

As alien as it may seem to some, I love the rewards I get from arena, and I like to get them with as little effort as possible.

Having to watch my back for a 1 GL 2.9M GP player who climbs at all hours of the day is not what I want.

Fighting 8,9,10 battles a day in squad arena is not what I want, even if there is variety in the squads I use in doing so. I already have to endure this in fleet arena.

Seeing that 1 GL player reduced to feeding off scraps and sticking in the 20s all day is exactly what I want.

And I am completely OK with the next GL replacing JMK, because I am confident I’ll unlock them much much faster than almost everyone else in my shard.

Do you as a 5 year old player really have someone with 2.9M GP in your shard? Did they suddenly come back?
Thanks to the power of money they will most likely be able to buy their way to the next GL and bother your still.

Maybe not 2.9m but we are in an April 2017 and have had several sub 5m players with one GL show up out of nowhere and cause payout issues for others. These people don't spend money, if they did they would be able to keep up with power creep. They are taking advantage of rock paper scissors instead.

Absolutely this. All casual players had to do was get to the point where they unlocked SLK and SEE and they could climb to the upper levels of our 2016 shard. You see the same thing in fleet as you're almost guaranteed to see a new face in the top 20 after every territory battle.

Damn….so how does this make the ol classist bones https://swgoh.gg/p/817316339/