Question about Rey (Jedi Training) Virtuous Protector Zeta

"AnnerDoon;c-1412728" wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if we could simply get a clear description of game mechanics from the devs? I mean, why all the secrecy?

To me it seems they never expect the players to go into to much questioning of these things.

Perhaps see Jyn's leader for an example of where an effect (exposing an enemy if a rebel applied a debuff to them) only happens once, at the end of a turn, and see how it's structured differently than the per-debuff effects of JTR and KRU:
https://swgoh.gg/characters/jyn-erso/ability/into-the-fray

(It's also interesting to me how Expose is apparently implemented as a chain of future effects, rather than just a built-in simple debuff, but this is why there've been so many Expose bugs, probably.)

hi ugluk199,

very good question!

my logical understanding says: yes, the chances are higher if there are more than one debuff. one and one have a 64% chance to cleanse them all.

mind tricks from rjt to rjt isn‘t a good idea...

87% chance for cleaning!

Well, I‘d say it really depends on how mechanics works in the background. If JTR just checks if she is debuffed by a skill at a specific point it would be a 40% chance to cleanse it all (which I assume is the case; reason later)
If she would check for EVERY instance of debuffs it would be - in the case given of 2 debuffs hitting her- 2 times a 40% chance.

I guess, as stated above, that one ability that debuffs her makes her check 1 time at 40% whether she cancels all debuffs or not. Otherwise it would probably make for weird mechanics and calculations ingame.

So a Vaders uses Force Crush and would apply 3 dots. What happens if EVERY instance of the debuff would be checked? She could end up with 3 dots, 2 dots or 1 dot depending on RNG. So I‘d say it is either all 3 being canceled or none.

Thus, I believe that JTR checks once per ability (basically once everything of that ability has been calculated; no matter if it would leave her with 1, 2 or 100 debuffs) whether all debuffs are canceled or not at a 40% chance (I‘d assume it to be the same, if an ability would debuff her AND trigger a unique which would debuff her. All instances of this effect and aftermaths are calculated before the 40% chance is applied)

Another different question comes to mind. How does lead Zader‘s Force Crush work on her? (I haven‘t been in that situation yet).
Is there a loop in the background until the dots are applied (because theoretically she could cancel them infinitely, while Zader would apply them infinitely...?)

"Cossin;c-1412115" wrote:
Well, I‘d say it really depends on how mechanics works in the background. If JTR just checks if she is debuffed by a skill at a specific point it would be a 40% chance to cleanse it all (which I assume is the case; reason later)
If she would check for EVERY instance of debuffs it would be - in the case given of 2 debuffs hitting her- 2 times a 40% chance.

I guess, as stated above, that one ability that debuffs her makes her check 1 time at 40% whether she cancels all debuffs or not. Otherwise it would probably make for weird mechanics and calculations ingame.

So a Vaders uses Force Crush and would apply 3 dots. What happens if EVERY instance of the debuff would be checked? She could end up with 3 dots, 2 dots or 1 dot depending on RNG. So I‘d say it is either all 3 being canceled or none.

Thus, I believe that JTR checks once per ability (basically once everything of that ability has been calculated; no matter if it would leave her with 1, 2 or 100 debuffs) whether all debuffs are canceled or not at a 40% chance (I‘d assume it to be the same, if an ability would debuff her AND trigger a unique which would debuff her. All instances of this effect and aftermaths are calculated before the 40% chance is applied)

Another different question comes to mind. How does lead Zader‘s Force Crush work on her? (I haven‘t been in that situation yet).
Is there a loop in the background until the dots are applied (because theoretically she could cancel them infinitely, while Zader would apply them infinitely...?)

I doubt it wouldn't count them separately. There is a separate chance to resist check for each debuff, I don't see why they wouldn't take the time to make her unique trigger for each one as well. IMO, it is almost certain to check each one individually.

I wondered about the Vader thing as well actually.

So, what would happen if each one gets checked individually?
Would we end up with 1-2-3 dot possibility? I bet people would argue that her ability states ALL debuffs, not the chance for some of it. Or would all 3 be cleansed if one of the debuff instances triggers ?

Yet, you are right about applying debuffs. Each one seems to get checked against the tenacity of the enemy, etc....

Yet, design wise, it doesn't make sense for me. You'd have way to many calculations in the background eating away at the meager cellphone's or tablet's memory and cpu capacities.
That's why I believe each effect, no matter how many debuffs are applied, is regarded as a single "debuff instance". It's way less workload and the outcome is -imho- better.
You either cleanse all debuffs (as her text says) or you don't, at a 40% ratio. It is also simply more comprehensive than weird mathematical odds.

I haven't zeta'd her cleanse, yet (and other's in my shard seem to share this way). Otherwise, I could share more first hand info on her cleanse behavior.

Again, I don't want to argue or say my point of view (or actually more of a believe) is the right one.
Yet, I think without further in-depth knowledge of the game's mechanic it is better to assume to easier design route, than the more complicated game design.

This is an interesting question.
Mechanics for the check if gaining a debuff look similar to what Thrawn lead has for his TM gain simply looking for persistent effect add debuff then it runs thru the rng for dispel.

A multiple debuff ability technically adds them one at a time down a query chain

Do if it looks each time one us added could you get an instance where it clears some because the first or second debuff that got added dispelled the previous but the 3rd or 4th added failed the check....
I know swgoh.gg doesn't show all the parts of the Mechanics but it makes you wonder.. Hopefully there is something on the client it self that makes it so if the check on the first debuff applied passes then it will clear the others applied after.

"scuba;c-1412184" wrote:
This is an interesting question.
Mechanics for the check if gaining a debuff look similar to what Thrawn lead has for his TM gain simply looking for persistent effect add debuff then it runs thru the rng for dispel.

A multiple debuff ability technically adds them one at a time down a query chain

So it looks as if each time one is added could you get an instance where it clears some because the first or second debuff that got added dispelled the previous but the 3rd or 4th added failed the check....
I know swgoh.gg doesn't show all the parts of the Mechanics but it makes you wonder.. Hopefully there is something on the client it self that makes it so if the check on the first debuff applied passes then it will clear the others applied after.

I don't know if I'd like that. It sounds too much like double dipping to me. If it runs the check for each debuff separately, I don't think it should apply to later debuffs, even if they originated from the same action.

I need to find one in GW and blast her with cassian.