Royal Guard viable in pvp now?

"SpeedWeed;142280" wrote:

"Qeltar;142274" wrote:

"Plasmaj;142272" wrote:
Totally agree. I don't understand the rationale for such a massive buff (including the stun on basic). This goes against their rationale for adjusting Mace where they wanted to be careful not to go too far.

IKR? They give Mace, an iconic character, a little tickle of a buff.. and then give yet another no-name an incredibly powerful ability that kicks in for free when not even his turn?
If it were only possible once or had a reasonable cooldown it would be fine. If it is infinite and has no cooldown it is likely broken. I'm assuming they tested this... right?
The game balancing decisions in this game are extremely odd.

The guy in a red dress > Mace Windu

Noname in reeeeeeeeed.......is laaaauuuughing at me.

"Zekex;142258" wrote:

"DefinitivePoeCounter;142211" wrote:


It doesn't work that way. It is rather easy to circumvent RG taunt. You can run QGJ+Geo and use Geo's assist to kill off someone and proc RG's taunt and then dispel it with QGJ.

My favorite is just using Ani to put buff immunity on RG and then plough my way through them.

That means you're not running QGJ leader, for QGJ to go after GS. Rey, GS, QGJ leader etc will all go before your qgj increasing the likelihood that AI's atrocious targetting actually kills someone/disables someone.The point of making a strong team is to increase the probability of a successful defence and reduce the probability of an attack failing. Not using QGJ as leader goes against that philosophy. and what if your QGJ dies before his turn? You are increasing the probability of it happening by not running him as leader. What if there was a character QGJ could have killed if he was leader but now that the character is alive, it takes its turn and kills someone important on your team?You're leaving your fate to the AI.Every advantage, no matter how small, should be taken to increase the chances of victory.

We never count anything as a solution if it has only a 40% chance to work, and that's before factoring tenacity/dodge.

The ability to proc taunt multiple times means there will be situations where your taunt remover is on cd when taunt is activated again. RG doesn't spend a turn taunting, It's automatic

The ability to give a character a new lease of life shouldn't be underestimated. Even if it's just for one turn.The damage output might be too much when combined with others.

You can't base your single target DPS team to perform well in defense. For all intents and purposes they might focus on the slowest character and perform horribly. The only 'viable' defense team right now is AoE, but it is foiled by Poe and will be foiled later by RG since the characters don't use their AoEs when there is an active taunt.

Royal Guard requires purple gear in 3 slots just to go from VI to VII. I can only imagine the brutality of gearing him up further.

I think I might just wait and see how this change works out before doing anything. :/

"DefinitivePoeCounter;142211" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;142059" wrote:
Just going through scenarios, I'm in the camp of not being a fan of this change. Imagine teams with like 88, Poggle, Daka, and RG....thrown in any 5th...let's say GS. What are you going to focus down on? With Daka in there and the rez potential, you generally have to FF on her...but that's not easy to take her all the way to death before RG procs his taunt and saves her. I think you can kill 88 easily without procing the taunt of RG, but then you probably can't kill Daka in rd 1...so she will try to rez 88. 88 will rez and blow your face off. I think it's going to create some miserable RNG defense slot combinations that's going to make it feel a lot like Poe where you weren't countering at a hard rate and the outcome was heavily influenced by RNG. Not sure it will be as bad - probably not, but I do think this helps take us toward a Poe-like situation where the game goes back to pivoting around one toon and most tactics hinge off of that skill.

It doesn't work that way. It is rather easy to circumvent RG taunt. You can run QGJ+Geo and use Geo's assist to kill off someone and proc RG's taunt and then dispel it with QGJ.

My favorite is just using Ani to put buff immunity on RG and then plough my way through them.

The more I think on this, the more unhappy with this change I become.

I love Anakin. I run him on my team now. But his healing/buff immunity is very unreliable. It's only got a 40% proc rate and is subject to being resisted. RG appears as if it will have decent tenacity so that makes it even more unreliable.

Dispelling the taunt is only a temporary fix since as soon as you get another toon below 50% health it'll proc again.

This should never have been allowed to get past the idea part of a discussion. The guaranteed taunt should only work for empire toons with a % chance on non-empire toons. I'm with @JohnnySteelAlpha on this.

@CG_JohnSalera any chance we could have a discussion of the logic behind all this?

"SpeedWeed;142390" wrote:

"BentWookie;142382" wrote:
Royal Guard requires purple gear in 3 slots just to go from VI to VII. I can only imagine the brutality of gearing him up further.

I think I might just wait and see how this change works out before doing anything. :/

Ouch.

Really makes life hard for the newer players who are still working on their main toons.

Like me. :/

Yeah, there is a risk/reward scenario here, better to just keep focus,( possibly save gear.) You might really need it for something else they throw at us.

It's possible this has some limit to how often it can activate or some other restriction that didn't make it to the release notes. I guess we'll see. Not going to overreact before we even see what he can do, though we have been here before. Remember before the level 70 cap increase? "Surely they can see that giving Poe 143 speed will make him broken and fix that when the cap goes up."
There's something very odd going on when players find serious issues that QA doesn't.. sometimes even before the patch goes live.

People going nuts and we haven't seen him in action yet. There are still a TON of unanswered questions. We don't know if the taunt has an internal cool down, so multiple taunts are not a given. If he is ability blocked, will his taunt still proc?

And I find it amusing that people if RG becomes a more viable toon, then people are complaining that you can't have QGJ in lead position. I personally think that's better than the alternative, which is EVERYONE having QGJ in the lead position if he's leadership ability stays the same once we can level to 80.

But I will say I agree that it is odd, yet again, to give a no-name a decent-looking buff while named toons get little. We couldn't these same buffs on Mace? Really?

"Mizake_Mizan;142489" wrote:
People going nuts and we haven't seen him in action yet.

They are not "going nuts", they are highlighting potential issues based on the information released so far. It is in everyone's interests, if there's in fact a problem, for it to be investigated and addressed as soon as possible.
We all agree that we need to see how it actually works, but based on the specs provided, there is cause for concern. If CG had listened when top players were "going nuts" about Poe before the level 70 cap came out (I believe Team Instinct deserves credit for raising that issue first) it would have saved everyone weeks of grief.

"DefinitivePoeCounter;142344" wrote:


You can't base your single target DPS team to perform well in defense. For all intents and purposes they might focus on the slowest character and perform horribly. The only 'viable' defense team right now is AoE, but it is foiled by Poe and will be foiled later by RG since the characters don't use their AoEs when there is an active taunt.

Which is why I mentioned every advantage, no matter how small matters. On offense, I prefer to dictate the match by having QGJ leader. Whenever I have to choose to attack a sid leader QGJ team or QGJ lead/sid team, I always choose the one with sid leader. Not because QGJ lead unbeatable, but because I rather have slightly better odds, no matter how small those odds are.

It gives the QGJ led team a psychological advantage,much like the old poe used to,which helps in making you look less of an attractive target to hit unless you're contesting for top spots

Having gear 9 GS and gear 8 rey helps psychologically too, since there are more opportunities to go wrong.

"Qeltar;142496" wrote:

"Mizake_Mizan;142489" wrote:
People going nuts and we haven't seen him in action yet.

They are not "going nuts", they are highlighting potential issues based on the information released so far. It is in everyone's interests, if there's in fact a problem, for it to be investigated and addressed as soon as possible.
We all agree that we need to see how it actually works, but based on the specs provided, there is cause for concern. If CG had listened when top players were "going nuts" about Poe before the level 70 cap came out (I believe Team Instinct deserves credit for raising that issue first) it would have saved everyone weeks of grief.

Really? Like how a lot of people overreacted on Poe, including yourself? You of all people should understand the dangers of calling for all-out nerfs when we can't see the whole picture. In Poe's case, we had no idea they would alter speed changes so dramatically.
His changes haven't even gone live yet. We don't know how he's going to play out. I can understand people's desire to theorycraft, but calling for nerfs before his buffs have actually gone live yet? People complaining about his ability to do multiple taunts....when we don't even know if he's capable of that yet?
Seriously, EA/CG is in a no-win situation. People complain how all they do is nerf toons, nerf toons, how about instead of nerfing all the time, they buff instead? So here they are, buffing a toon (agreed that RG is a strange choice), and what do they hear? OMG, he's too strong now!! He needs to be toned down!!
I understand you have a passion/obsession with this game that many share, and I agree with many of your insights on other threads. Just don't be so zealous in your desires that you mistake your subjectivity for objectivity.