It's becoming clear, at least in my shard, that the team to beat is a CLS-led crit-heavy Rebel team. It doesn't really matter if it's Raid Han, Leia, Fulcrum, or Wiggs (or some combination), generally with R2 and GK. Especially difficult if this team is loaded with lots of speed.I've done some testing with my own Rebels and CLS lead and it's clear I don't have enough speed to beat them at their own game. And in comes Rex as the anti-meta. He's not the team to beat anymore, but he remains as a strong anti-meta (and maybe he always will be). GK is a requirement, as well, to handle the incoming crits by handing out Crit Immunity and taking the heat away from your damage dealers.For me, the rest of the team fills out nicely with Thrawn, Nihilus, and zeta'ed FOST. I get the feeling that FOST gives me a nice hand up in the current environment as a high defense tank that can hand out defense up to the team, take some heat off of GK with his taunt, self-cleanse, dispel buffs when he has advantage.Against the CLS teams I usually lose GK and FOST, or they get worn down, but they give me enough time to take out the rest of the team. Thrawn's Fracture is especially powerful to reduce incoming DPS, as well as his protection heal and the ability to make Nihilus go faster when needed.Have you found a good response to fast CLS teams?

"Dretzle;d-127212" wrote:It's becoming clear, at least in my shard, that the team to beat is a CLS-led crit-heavy Rebel team. It doesn't really matter if it's Raid Han, Leia, Fulcrum, or Wiggs (or some combination), generally with R2 and GK. Especially difficult if this team is loaded with lots of speed.I've done some testing with my own Rebels and CLS lead and it's clear I don't have enough speed to beat them at their own game. And in comes Rex as the anti-meta. He's not the team to beat anymore, but he remains as a strong anti-meta (and maybe he always will be). GK is a requirement, as well, to handle the incoming crits by handing out Crit Immunity and taking the heat away from your damage dealers.For me, the rest of the team fills out nicely with Thrawn, Nihilus, and zeta'ed FOST. I get the feeling that FOST gives me a nice hand up in the current environment as a high defense tank that can hand out defense up to the team, take some heat off of GK with his taunt, self-cleanse, dispel buffs when he has advantage.Against the CLS teams I usually lose GK and FOST, or they get worn down, but they give me enough time to take out the rest of the team. Thrawn's Fracture is especially powerful to reduce incoming DPS, as well as his protection heal and the ability to make Nihilus go faster when needed.Have you found a good response to fast CLS teams?CLS Thrawn r-2 Leia Raid Han. Your raid Han will carry you through your poorer mods.

I'm having trouble figuring out how Rex can be anti meta and meta at the same time. My mind is not handling this info well

Can Threx be the anti-meta when it was already the meta?My shard is still all Rex/GK/R2/Nihilus/Thrawn.

I'm running Rex, CLS (two Zeta), R2 (two Zeta), Nihilus and GK. Seems to work ok. Managed 1st last night and top 4 consistently

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GloriousDon
8 years ago
"Dretzle;c-1226278" wrote:
"ReyCharles;c-1226174" wrote:
Bait taken. At some point given the longevity of Rex lead being whatever you want to call it, you have to consider him the meta leader. Or don't makes no difference to me. But saying that the dude who has been the most prevalent and effective leader for so long is a direct counter for the new supposed meta, means that quite literally nothing has changed.... ugh I hate these discussions. Feel free to respond or don't. I think I will keep using Rex

Yes, it would appear that he flips back and forth.

To me it comes down to how you define "the meta". And in fact "the meta" can be different per shard. That's part of what playing the meta, means. You notice certain teams being run on your shard and instead of coming up with the "theoretically 'best' team", you come up with a team that can fight (and possibly defend) well against the teams you face.

In fact, if there was to be an argument here, I'd argue that Rex previously wasn't "the meta", but triple cleanse was, with Rex being the best leader of that group. And an even larger look, it was really Chaze as the meta, with the triple cleanse as the best/most popular setup with Chaze. I'd argue last month that Thrawn was "the meta" as he was the most popular character on the most powerful teams.

When people like to analyze "the meta" they look at the most popular leaders. Rex is always high on the list because he's still and has been for some time the best "no synergy" leader, that is, the best leader of a team that wasn't built around a particular faction, like sith, empire, and now rebels, and helps people that don't have the speed of others.

But I can see both views. If Rex is popular among those that I have described as "not meta", then Rex is the team you have to keep in mind when building a non-Rex team.

But I think we both can agree that Zaul is no longer "the meta" :)

But Rex is the most popular leader, so by your standards, Rex is meta.
Dretzle
8 years ago
"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1227078" wrote:
"Dretzle;c-1226278" wrote:
"ReyCharles;c-1226174" wrote:
Bait taken. At some point given the longevity of Rex lead being whatever you want to call it, you have to consider him the meta leader. Or don't makes no difference to me. But saying that the dude who has been the most prevalent and effective leader for so long is a direct counter for the new supposed meta, means that quite literally nothing has changed.... ugh I hate these discussions. Feel free to respond or don't. I think I will keep using Rex

Yes, it would appear that he flips back and forth.

To me it comes down to how you define "the meta". And in fact "the meta" can be different per shard. That's part of what playing the meta, means. You notice certain teams being run on your shard and instead of coming up with the "theoretically 'best' team", you come up with a team that can fight (and possibly defend) well against the teams you face.

In fact, if there was to be an argument here, I'd argue that Rex previously wasn't "the meta", but triple cleanse was, with Rex being the best leader of that group. And an even larger look, it was really Chaze as the meta, with the triple cleanse as the best/most popular setup with Chaze. I'd argue last month that Thrawn was "the meta" as he was the most popular character on the most powerful teams.

When people like to analyze "the meta" they look at the most popular leaders. Rex is always high on the list because he's still and has been for some time the best "no synergy" leader, that is, the best leader of a team that wasn't built around a particular faction, like sith, empire, and now rebels, and helps people that don't have the speed of others.

But I can see both views. If Rex is popular among those that I have described as "not meta", then Rex is the team you have to keep in mind when building a non-Rex team.

But I think we both can agree that Zaul is no longer "the meta" :)

But Rex is the most popular leader, so by your standards, Rex is meta.

If you read to the bottom of my post, then you saw that I said I can see both ways of looking at it, yes?
Dretzle
8 years ago
"usho1;c-1226965" wrote:
Zaul, Gk.

I fought a couple Zaul teams with my CLS-led Rebels. They fall even faster than before. Since R2 is on most or all CLS teams, I don't think Zaul is the answer.
almightywood
8 years ago
It's funny that you are saying Rex leads are a good counter to CLS, because I was reading in another thread how CLS leads are going to chase Rex out of the arena what with the TM gain when debuffs get resisted and all.

Honestly, I see Zaul teams making a comeback if CLS gets pretty prevalent. Stealth and AoE daze are two pretty big counters to counterattacks.
platzman
8 years ago
Not really... R2 cleansing Zeta makes that aoe daze very short lasting. Not to mention GK included mostly.. +Zaul actually does NOT attack from stealth. It unstealthes, gets advantage and attacks - and is countered. Only exception - Sith Assassin.
olddumper
8 years ago
"Woodroward;c-1227100" wrote:
It's funny that you are saying Rex leads are a good counter to CLS, because I was reading in another thread how CLS leads are going to chase Rex out of the arena what with the TM gain when debuffs get resisted and all.

Honestly, I see Zaul teams making a comeback if CLS gets pretty prevalent. Stealth and AoE daze are two pretty big counters to counterattacks.

Plus the non crit angle. But idk I can't think of a zaul team that would really put the screws to rebels because of R-2. Maybe a zaul ShT Thrawn hybrid could do the job. If you can fracture r-2 it would become very different.
olddumper
8 years ago
"Olddumper;c-1227114" wrote:
"Woodroward;c-1227100" wrote:
It's funny that you are saying Rex leads are a good counter to CLS, because I was reading in another thread how CLS leads are going to chase Rex out of the arena what with the TM gain when debuffs get resisted and all.

Honestly, I see Zaul teams making a comeback if CLS gets pretty prevalent. Stealth and AoE daze are two pretty big counters to counterattacks.

Plus the non crit angle. But idk I can't think of a zaul team that would really put the screws to rebels because of R-2. Maybe a zaul ShT Thrawn hybrid could do the job. If you can fracture r-2 it would become very different.

Maybe Zaul DN EP Thrawn and Luke would work nicely. But you would need great mods to go SA-less. Most would need to go SA Zaul DN Thrawn and Luke.
Dretzle
8 years ago
"Woodroward;c-1227100" wrote:
It's funny that you are saying Rex leads are a good counter to CLS, because I was reading in another thread how CLS leads are going to chase Rex out of the arena what with the TM gain when debuffs get resisted and all.

I haven't seen that at all. On offense Rex can control when to use tenacity up, for one, and he doesn't last long, for the other. My goal is being able to beat any team on offense, not to be immune to CLS on defense; not sure if that would be possible.

But Rex's leader grants 7.5% TM per crit (15% to himself) when receiving a Crit and a zeta'ed CLS lead grants 5% TM to Rebel allies only when a detrimental effect is resisted. (Luke's special doesn't usually count, since he cleanses tenacity up before applying debuffs) So if you got Thrawn or GK on the team, they don't get TM from CLS's lead.

The most that a CLS team will get is 10% in an attack (2 effects resisted), (possibly 5 - 10% more if Luke's unique is zeta'ed and it is him attacking). This TM gain also requires a move to be made on Luke's side. Rex's leadership works when getting attacked, which is an entirely different story. And then we have Rebels like Fulcrum, Leia, and Han with multiple attacks, meaning multiple crits, so it is very likely Rex's team can get enough TM, especially from someone like Fulcrum or Leia, to have the whole team take a turn for every turn or two of Luke's team.

So CLS's zetas does help make his team faster than it would be, but when they're dealing out crits, the situation is still the same, with giving Rex's team more turns. The challenge is having a team that can survive receiving those Crits long enough to take out the enemy.
TofuATAT
8 years ago
You are all forgetting old ben adds evasión down on every basic he hits, he's the hidden gem, since he is in my team I won't fall lower than 10th on my arena, tough to beat he is ^_^
Drazz127
8 years ago
Best squad I've played is Cls. Thrawn. R2. Chaze. It's so difficult to kill...