Yoda Immediate bonus turn not immediate

"Bulldog1205;c-2173426" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172764" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-2172660" wrote:
Things still aren’t working correctly with bonus turns. Speed isn’t acting as the tiebreaker. For example, Yoda will (or at least can) trigger a bonus turn from GG who will jump Yoda’s bonus turn despite being slower, but if Anakin’s bonus turn is triggered the same way it won’t (or doesn’t always) jump Yoda. I’ve also had Malak continue to jump in between Anakin and Padme bonus turns even if Padme is faster.

You're missing that TM overflow is checked first. That's why GG can go before GMY. Speed is only a tiebreaker in case of tied TM overflow.

Then why doesn’t Anakin jump Yoda to? Why is there any TM overflow on a bonus turn?

Does he not? JKA interrupts Vader's massacre, not sure why he wouldn't interrupt Yoda's aoe.

"Treeburner;c-2173425" wrote:
There are two ways we can determine what was intended for GMY

1. That GMY is meant to have a immediate turn after his AOE, like it is described in his kit to spread buffs after .

2. That GMY wasn't meant to have a immediate turn to spread buff the kit description is wrong they never bothered to change it and we just have to take Kyno word for it .

No, actually no one here can prove intent without talking to the person who designed the kit.

Again in the previous random system there was no way to differentiate between 100% TM and a bonus turn. They could not design the intent they wanted, they could only brute force the situation.

Now that they have the level of control they wanted they can differentiate, and design things towards the intent they had.

He takes a bonus turn, just like he should and follows the rules that everyone else follows. I get that people dont like it, but that doesnt change the intent they had.

After re-reading the dev post on TM overflow, the example did not involve bonus turns. And while CG stated bonus turns are subject to the same rules, there was no explanation or example of how TM impacts the bonus turns.

As @Bulldog1205 noted, why is there any TM overflow on a bonus turn? If you are fighting GAS and the 501st for example, and GAS is in cover with 10% TM, and you use GMY's masterstroke to kill off the last remaining 501st, GAS comes out of cover and gains a bonus turn. GMY also has a bonus turn. (ignoring the "immediate" in GMY's description for a moment) Is the bonus turn mechanic putting GAS at 100% TM (Overflow: 20% - existing 10% plus the 10% from Gen of the 501st from GMY taking a turn) and GMY at 100% TM (Overflow: 0%)?

This appears to be what @Kyno is saying above. If so, of course, what is happening behind the scenes is not the granting of a bonus turn (which should be coded as granting enough TM to bring someone TO 100% TM) but instead appears to be coded as granting the toon and ADDITIONAL 100% TM, to be added to their existing TM, and then giving them some type of coding priority to go before those without the "bonus turn" tag.

This appears to be what is actually happening. And thus, what is most stark about GMY and his masterstroke, is that after the TM change, if there are any other bonus turns at play, GMY will not get "an immediate" bonus turn. In these scenarios, the only way GMY gets "an immediate" bonus turn is if the other toon with a bonus turn that gets proced is at 0% TM, and GMY is faster. A very unlikely scenario. So it went from an "an immediate" bonus turn, to "mostly likely the last" bonus turn. Seems like a convenient excuse to say that going from an immediate to most likely the last bonus turn is what was intended.

At the end of the day, it seems like the bonus turn mechanic shouldn't be creating overflow, the TM gain mechanic should be creating overflow.

"Bulldog1205;c-2173426" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172764" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-2172660" wrote:
Things still aren’t working correctly with bonus turns. Speed isn’t acting as the tiebreaker. For example, Yoda will (or at least can) trigger a bonus turn from GG who will jump Yoda’s bonus turn despite being slower, but if Anakin’s bonus turn is triggered the same way it won’t (or doesn’t always) jump Yoda. I’ve also had Malak continue to jump in between Anakin and Padme bonus turns even if Padme is faster.

You're missing that TM overflow is checked first. That's why GG can go before GMY. Speed is only a tiebreaker in case of tied TM overflow.

Then why doesn’t Anakin jump Yoda to? Why is there any TM overflow on a bonus turn?

The way it was just described to me is that bonus turn is just like 100% TM, it adds 100% TM to the toon. So they end up at 100 + whatever they had before. The only difference being that a bonus turn has a priority flag over any natural TM gain.

And anakin should fall into the same system of judgement we see for all toons. Overflow check, speed check, random. (With a priority flag, because it's a bonus turn)

If that is what is happening, it is not consistent. I might have to go back to Padme battles in arena just to record some of this.

Or is Anakin not gaining the TM overflow because Padme prevents TM gain? That thought just occurred to me.


Also, to add onto this, apparently TM swap takes precedence over everything else, including bonus turns. I feel like they should have added that in.

Verbiage changes all the time. Plo Koons Starfighter has an ability that grants "Protection Recharge" yet no one complains that it isn't it's own specific mechanic that trumps or negates protection recovery/Malevolence/Shield Disruption etc.

There are many older abilities and kits that need clarification or "standardization". GMY'S masterstroke is yet another to add to the list.

If it's supposed to be like Thrawn then make the same change they did to Thrawn:

Grant 500% TM. Guarantees they go next.

"Bulldog1205;c-2173426" wrote:

"Waqui;c-2172764" wrote:

"Bulldog1205;c-2172660" wrote:
Things still aren’t working correctly with bonus turns. Speed isn’t acting as the tiebreaker. For example, Yoda will (or at least can) trigger a bonus turn from GG who will jump Yoda’s bonus turn despite being slower, but if Anakin’s bonus turn is triggered the same way it won’t (or doesn’t always) jump Yoda. I’ve also had Malak continue to jump in between Anakin and Padme bonus turns even if Padme is faster.

You're missing that TM overflow is checked first. That's why GG can go before GMY. Speed is only a tiebreaker in case of tied TM overflow.

Then why doesn’t Anakin jump Yoda to? Why is there any TM overflow on a bonus turn?

According to yourself he sometimes does. It all depends on TM overflow (and speed in case of ties) - as described in the dev. post.

A bonus turn is 100% TM. Gaining a bonus turn adds 100% TM (which can't be prevented) which results in overflow unless TM started out at 0%.

"Bulldog1205;c-2173573" wrote:
If that is what is happening, it is not consistent. I might have to go back to Padme battles in arena just to record some of this.

Or is Anakin not gaining the TM overflow because Padme prevents TM gain? That thought just occurred to me.


Also, to add onto this, apparently TM swap takes precedence over everything else, including bonus turns. I feel like they should have added that in.

Check out the example in this discussion:

https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/236198/turn-meter-overflow-and-bonus-turns

It doesn't involve Yoda's AoE but it describes how JKA interrupts Vader's MM which indicates that JKA gains overflow TM when he gains a bonus turn under Padmé lead.

The target of Thrawn's TM swap was guaranteed to perform the next action before the recent TM overflow update. It was hard-coded. I don't know whether it still is.