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mw1525
Seasoned Ace
7 years ago

Catch 22 Problem! How would you solve this??

**If you are unfamiliar with this saying, a catch 22 problem is one which has no easy solution. In fact, every solution presents a new problem.
(https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Catch-22)

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Toddlers Don't Forgive or Forget?


Okay, I've had Sims who have held lifetime grudges despite the 'friendly' relationship level stated by the relationship panel so, I know this is a thing. Still, I'm not understanding what I am seeing with my toddler. Here's the story:

Back in Sunset Valley, my Sim Angelo fathered a child with Jamie Jolina. They had a daughter named Maria. Jamie and Maria were townies until the day I discovered Jamie was in danger of losing her job and both she and the baby were miserable. I didn't want the social worker to take Maria, nor did I want the game to kill her so, I moved them into the household with Angelo and his wife, Arabella. **He had the baby before he met Arabella, he didn't cheat on her.

Needless-to-say, I had Angelo 'break-up' with Jamie (they were still romantic interests) so there would be no issues with his wife once she moved into their home. Jamie respected his marriage and didn't make any major moves on Angelo while she was under his roof (just the occasional compliment appearance).

Fast Forward. Jamie busted up Thornton Wolff's marriage and became partnered with him. I moved the entire family (Angelo, Arabella, Maria, Jamie & Thornton) to a new world. I separated the households, Jamie & Thornton lived in their own place while, Angelo and his family are rooming with his friend Craig and Craig's girlfriend. I don't know when but Jamie is now engaged to Thornton.

Faster Forward: When together (except in the presence of Arabella and Thornton), Angelo and Jamie behave as if they are still lovers. They tip very carefully around the romance thing. Well, one afternoon when I had Angelo take Maria to the park to play, Jamie was there. I guess the 'longing' became too much to bear so, Maria witnessed her parents becoming intimate. She received the 'Witnessed Betrayal' moodlet and within four Sim days, I received a pop-up saying Maria and Jamie were no longer friends.

I don't want my Sim children estranged from their 'absent' parents so, I had Angelo invite Jamie over to spend time with her daughter. When Jamie showed up and made a move to pick Maria up, Maria began to cry. All of her needs were in the green except her mood bar which had dropped slightly at sight of her mother. The 'Witnessed' moodlet had long since worn off and Jamie totally behaved herself while at Angelo's home. So, I don't understand what happened. When Jamie picked Maria up, both Craig and his girlfriend instantly put a picture of Maria in their thought bubbles (without the baby crying icon).

It seems Maria doesn't want to be near her mother and I don't know what to do about it. I don't want them to become strangers (Maria's 46 days until becoming a child). Because Jamie is not a part of my household I can't force her to interact with her daughter. If I put Angelo and Jamie in close proximity to each other they cheat on their partners (uncaught), but he's the only one who can bring Maria into Jamie's space. Any ideas??

FYI:
1- Jamie won't visit if Angelo isn't there or if he leaves she just reads a book (defeats the purpose).

2- Arabella (Angelo's wife) doesn't like Jamie and avoids her (which leaves the two alone).

3- Craig and his girlfriend aren't of high enough celebrity status to interact with Jamie.

4- Thornton doesn't like children, so I don't want to wait until she is a child to rebuild this relationship. Or, invite him over (plus, Angelo wants to beat him up).

5- Afraid if I add Maria to Jamie's household things will be worst for the little girl.

***I need a creative solution to this problem and my mind is drawing a complete blank on what to do!

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  • Years ago I had a household where the mother was regularly cheating and the kids all hated her for it. This was back in 2009 and the No Jealousy reward didn't exist. I just had her forcibly interact with them. It took a few days but they did eventually accept her again.
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    mw1525
    Seasoned Ace
    7 years ago
    @Karritz - That's just it, Maria won't let her mom interact with her at all. I don't know how to build a relationship with such a huge obstacle in the way. I am glad to know that this is something in the game, that others have dealt with. Sim behaviors and 'emotions' can run very deep at times, I guess this is just one of those times.
  • It took a few days before she could interact with them. But once it started to happen I kept on directing her to interact with them. Not constantly but often.
  • "mw1525;c-16656649" wrote:
    @Goulsquash - LOL'd at the thought of a 'partner swap'!

    @Bettyboop55 - Your suggestion got me to thinking, 'Exactly how are things in Jamie's home?', so I switched household to see and the picture ain't pretty, Thornton has the strongest relationship with the local bartender, who is an 'old Friend'. He has barely any relationship with Jamie. Likewise, Jamie's strongest relationship is with Angelo. Playing as Jamie, I had her go over to see Maria. When Maria saw her she instantly put the 'Blue Lonely' icon in her thought bubble. When I had Jamie pick her up she just screamed her head off and the icon turned Red (Extreme Loneliness). Jamie got a moodlet that said "If the baby can't be quieted, it's best to get as far away as possible." And, an option to 'Complain about the baby' to Angelo. I sent Jamie home and quit the game without saving.

    Reloaded the game, reset the Sims and, played as my normal household until Jamie got off from work. Then I switched households again. Playing as Jamie I sent her over to the see her daughter. When Maria saw her she didn't have the 'blue lonely icon' in her thought bubble, which was a good sign. However, when I had Jamie pick her up she began screaming her head off again and the red 'Extremely Lonely' icon reappeared. Jamie received the crying Baby' moodlet which had no time limit underneath it. I had Jamie do all of the social interactions with her but, Maria still had the 'Red Extremely Lonely' icon in her dialog balloon.

    I'm beginning to think I may have to move everyone into the same household. Or, wait until Maria is a child to work on their relationship. Currently, the only way I can get their relationship to climb is if they (Angelo, Maria & Jamie) all watch TV together. I am really baffled as to why Maria can't stand the sight of her mother. I hope this doesn't carry on into childhood. I've never been in such a tight spot like this with any of my Sims. Maybe I should break their bloodline and later reconnect it with NRaas' Master Controller(?). I honestly don't know which path to take.

    In addition to all of that, it seems both Jamie and Thornton have been demoted in their careers!

    EDIT For: Wrong word usage.


    I did wonder about Thornton. He has never been one of my favourite premades but I did make him raise 2 children with Morgan. However it would be heartless to put Maria with a mother she can't stand and a man who dislikes children. I am sorry to hear that there are no interactions between Jamie and her little girl. If it was a real child I would say lingering resentment at being abandoned by her natural mother and growing attachment to Arabella might be part of it.

    You may have to change your storyline and move Maria away with Angel and his family. Then try for a reconciliation when Maria reaches her teens. I just hope the relationship between Angel and his wife is strong enough to provide a stable home for Maria.

    As for Jamie I would be tempted to let Thornton go. Losing Maria is going to hurt so a relationship with another sim and perhaps a child or two would help. It also makes for a great scenario for when she meets Maria again. Relationships with half-siblings can be tricky.
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    mw1525
    Seasoned Ace
    7 years ago
    @Bettyboop55 - I agree with you, it may be for the best to put Maria's and Jamie's relationship on hold until she is older. As far as Angelo and Jamie are concerned, they no longer have anything left to talk about so I will keep them apart until their relationship falls and then have him break-up with her, again. Arabella is a great Mom, she seems to have natural nurturing instincts despite not having the trait (nor is she family oriented). I've decided to let her and Angelo start having children, Maria may like being a 'Big Sis'. I've played this scenario before where a single Dad marries and has children with another woman. The household was well adjusted and all of the kids got along but, the 'Daddy's Girl' was and will always be 'Daddy's Little Girl'.

    I still intend on keeping the family in town until Maria ages up. I want to invite Jamie to her birthday party so she can see her little girl before she leaves (and I can get great screenshots ;)), hopefully, on that day, Jamie will show up.

    Arabella's marriage appears to be a strong one since she hasn't sent me the 'Things Aren't Working Out' request plus, she still wants to move forward with her husband by starting their family; so that's an excellent sign. Angelo stopped having 'Jamie' dreams a while back, he seems ready to put all of his focus on Arabella and strengthening their marriage; so that's another positive sign.

    I think they'll be fine now that this madness will be coming to an end. Arabella won't have to endure me sending her husband into the arms of another woman. Maria won't have to endure being around a Sim which hurts her to see. And, Angelo won't have to be conflicted as to which woman should have his full heart. And, I won't have to stress out because my Sims are stressing out (that's called LOVE for all you Simmers reading who scream 'It's Just A Game!').

    @JACKIEJOY @puzzlezaddict @1need4kaffee @IreneSwift @Bettyboop55 @Karritz - Thanks so much for helping me to figure this out!

    @Goulsquash - Thanks for the image that still has me laughing! ;)
  • @mw1525 glad it made you giggle! In my game my sim is actually cheating with Thornton, and to avoid them getting caught by her kids I built them a love shack up by the waterfall. Its a no visitors allowed little cottage, for realism I've decided its Thorntons since my family can barely afford their actual house ;) might br a solution for any future romps?

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