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funcrunch
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9 years ago

Re: [BY DESIGN] Gendered pronouns not matching up w/new CAS

What the OP is saying (I believe) is that they attempted to make a transgender woman by choosing a masculine body frame with a feminine name and clothing. But the game equates masculine body frame to male pronouns (he/him) and family relations (father/son). It's not a bug exactly, but it's definitely not optimal as it's misgendering to force a person with a masculine body frame to use male pronouns if they don't want to.

The workaround I'd suggest for creating a trans woman would be to use the feminine body frame and set the options to use the toilet standing up and make others pregnant rather than getting pregnant (or turn off the ability to get or make others pregnant for that Sim altogether). It's still not perfect, but that is what I would do (I'm a non-binary trans person myself for the record).

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    funcrunch
    Rising Veteran
    9 years ago

    @funcrunch wrote:

    What the OP is saying (I believe) is that they attempted to make a transgender woman by choosing a masculine body frame with a feminine name and clothing. But the game equates masculine body frame to male pronouns (he/him) and family relations (father/son). It's not a bug exactly, but it's definitely not optimal as it's misgendering to force a person with a masculine body frame to use male pronouns if they don't want to.

    The workaround I'd suggest for creating a trans woman would be to use the feminine body frame and set the options to use the toilet standing up and make others pregnant rather than getting pregnant (or turn off the ability to get or make others pregnant for that Sim altogether). It's still not perfect, but that is what I would do (I'm a non-binary trans person myself for the record).


    Update: I changed a young adult Sim's body frame from masculine to feminine. The body visibly changed, but unfortunately the game continued to use masculine signifiers: "He" and "His" in notifications, "Brother" in the Sim's sister's family tree, etc. This Sim was also still forced to use the men's room at a lot that had gendered doors. I also noticed that in CAS, I was still able to make this Sim topless, whereas with Sims that were created (or born in-game) as female, this cannot be done (a bra for teens and older, or another top for children, is always shown).

    So it seems that if a Sim is created or "born" male, the game always considers them to be male, and likewise for Sims created or born female. This is seriously problematic. I've taken a lot of screenshots and will create a story on this soon to illustrate the problem; stay tuned.

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    funcrunch
    Rising Veteran
    9 years ago

    I know you already closed this issue, but I have to make a quick correction/clarification. When I first went into "Create Sim" to change the male Sim's body frame from Masculine to Feminine, I neglected to click the female gender symbol. Having just now done so, this Sim is now correctly listed as a "Sister" (female term), even when I choose a Masculine body frame for her. Still have to go back into game for more testing, but I believe this solves a large part of the problem (though it would still be nice to have non-binary pronouns as well, that is indeed something for the Feedback forum).

    ETA: Unfortunately when I changed the gender symbol from male to female, all of the outfits I'd created for this Sim were lost.

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