Add Hijabs and other cultural clothing

"MadameLee;15606054" wrote:
actually I DO want reglious garb-it's just others that wouldn't want it. I specifically said in my first post I want Jewish yippah caps that Jewish men wear, and I want the Kippas(?) that Muslim men wear (simliar to the Jewish cap). I even went more Jewish items-ie like driedel,etc. It's just there's so much Islamophobic because of how people view Islam.

I actually was supporting you, not being against you. But seriously the game has worse problems just related to clothing than religious clothes and that is no CAS tool.

"TJKazuha09;15606376" wrote:
Even though it's actually not offensive to add Hijab or something of sort in game, it's still too sensitive due to the amount of the specific religion extremist. I'll remind/tell you about the case where someone added the specific essence of the prayer's tone (even though it's actually an arabic traditional music) to their music. Those extremist went nuts, sue, and terrorize the company.

I don't believe EA want to risk that far.

I think they aren't adding it to not risk losing Muslim customers. Unlike any other gaming community in the world, the Sims seem to be most accurate with actual demographics. (Some games only have men, other games only have women, some only lgbt people play, some only certain nationalities play, but the Sims is diverse among that, which is something EA is too afraid to lose). But if they want to completely religious free, they shouldn't have added that holiday pack.

"TJKazuha09;15607842" wrote:

"SSDSSDSSD2;15606782" wrote:

"TJKazuha09;15606376" wrote:
Even though it's actually not offensive to add Hijab or something of sort in game, it's still too sensitive due to the amount of the specific religion extremist. I'll remind/tell you about the case where someone added the specific essence of the prayer's tone (even though it's actually an arabic traditional music) to their music. Those extremist went nuts, sue, and terrorize the company.

I don't believe EA want to risk that far.

I think they aren't adding it to not risk losing Muslim customers. Unlike any other gaming community in the world, the Sims seem to be most accurate with actual demographics. (Some games only have men, other games only have women, some only lgbt people play, some only certain nationalities play, but the Sims is diverse among that, which is something EA is too afraid to lose). But if they want to completely religious free, they shouldn't have added that holiday pack.

sorry but holiday pack is not related to that specific religion.. try to look at the history and you will know that it was actually just a culture that adjusted with that specific religion.

oh? then why did that holiday pack included a Hanuka MENORAH -and it literally says that in it's description but yet anything related to Chistranty has to be called a "hoilday tree, wreath,etc" if they can mention one relgion in a description they should be allowed to call the other stuff a Christmas tree, wreath,etc. (I know those items aren't actually from Christianity but like the hoilday was stolen by Christanty from the Pagan reglions-some that still exist today)

"MadameLee;15607866" wrote:

"TJKazuha09;15607842" wrote:

"SSDSSDSSD2;15606782" wrote:

"TJKazuha09;15606376" wrote:
Even though it's actually not offensive to add Hijab or something of sort in game, it's still too sensitive due to the amount of the specific religion extremist. I'll remind/tell you about the case where someone added the specific essence of the prayer's tone (even though it's actually an arabic traditional music) to their music. Those extremist went nuts, sue, and terrorize the company.

I don't believe EA want to risk that far.

I think they aren't adding it to not risk losing Muslim customers. Unlike any other gaming community in the world, the Sims seem to be most accurate with actual demographics. (Some games only have men, other games only have women, some only lgbt people play, some only certain nationalities play, but the Sims is diverse among that, which is something EA is too afraid to lose). But if they want to completely religious free, they shouldn't have added that holiday pack.

sorry but holiday pack is not related to that specific religion.. try to look at the history and you will know that it was actually just a culture that adjusted with that specific religion.

oh? then why did that holiday pack included a Hanuka MENORAH -and it literally says that in it's description but yet anything related to Chistranty has to be called a "hoilday tree, wreath,etc" if they can mention one relgion in a description they should be allowed to call the other stuff a Christmas tree, wreath,etc. (I know those items aren't actually from Christianity but like the hoilday was stolen by Christanty from the Pagan reglions-some that still exist today)

if its christian, there should be another thing like the baby jesus or saint marie or smthing. but you are missing my points. should i link you to news or smthing? i dont want to do that, you know.

"MadameLee;15607866" wrote:
I know those items aren't actually from Christianity but like the hoilday was stolen by Christanty from the Pagan reglions-some that still exist today

There's your answer.
They don't belong to just one faith.
Plus many secular people celebrate a variation of the festive season, decorating with trees and wreaths, giving gifts, and eating a feast.


As for what this thread is supposed to be about, not all cultural clothing is excessively modest, some is pretty relaxed, but I doubt they'd include much of that in the game.

Also, the sims is not supposed to be the real world. Sims don't speak any real world language, they don't have a real world belief system, they don't live in real world cities/towns, so why do people expect real world representation of specific cultures?

"TJKazuha09;15607899" wrote:

"MadameLee;15607866" wrote:

"TJKazuha09;15607842" wrote:

"SSDSSDSSD2;15606782" wrote:

"TJKazuha09;15606376" wrote:
Even though it's actually not offensive to add Hijab or something of sort in game, it's still too sensitive due to the amount of the specific religion extremist. I'll remind/tell you about the case where someone added the specific essence of the prayer's tone (even though it's actually an arabic traditional music) to their music. Those extremist went nuts, sue, and terrorize the company.

I don't believe EA want to risk that far.

I think they aren't adding it to not risk losing Muslim customers. Unlike any other gaming community in the world, the Sims seem to be most accurate with actual demographics. (Some games only have men, other games only have women, some only lgbt people play, some only certain nationalities play, but the Sims is diverse among that, which is something EA is too afraid to lose). But if they want to completely religious free, they shouldn't have added that holiday pack.

sorry but holiday pack is not related to that specific religion.. try to look at the history and you will know that it was actually just a culture that adjusted with that specific religion.

oh? then why did that holiday pack included a Hanuka MENORAH -and it literally says that in it's description but yet anything related to Chistranty has to be called a "hoilday tree, wreath,etc" if they can mention one relgion in a description they should be allowed to call the other stuff a Christmas tree, wreath,etc. (I know those items aren't actually from Christianity but like the hoilday was stolen by Christanty from the Pagan reglions-some that still exist today)

if its christian, there should be another thing like the baby jesus or saint marie or smthing. but you are missing my points. should i link you to news or smthing? i dont want to do that, you know.

This is the least topic I want to see your name in @TJKazuha09 , I know you.

But anyway, before I go to work, I want to give my opinion.

I think Hijab, Burqa, or other cultural elements can be added as long as they have context and concept in it. Beside, I don't think all hijab/burqa are related to Muslim anyway. They are Arabic and we already have Arabic element. We also already have East Asia element which are almost related to their religion (Shinto, Confucian, Buddhist, etc), and I don't need to mention about the relation betwen Christiany and Holiday pack.

Even if its truly too related to the religion, it has to be less obvious and without naming the religion though because religion is a sensitive issue and it's not allowed to add such elements bluntly, no matter what religion it is. There are extremist in all religion, there are always people who put religion as shield and excuses to what they did, do or about to do. You only brand one religion as because you live in an environment where people think that way and media want to lead you to think that way. I've lived my life long enough as a person who is discriminated, but I stand on my principal: I don't want to brand person from their race/culture background/relgion and I'm fine to have them in a life simulator like the sims.

The only thing I'm concerned about is: If EA officially add this in game, will user truly use them for a good use?

k, I might add something else later but I gtg work. later.

"stilljustme2;15346033" wrote:

"MadameLee;15344818" wrote:
Please don't be offended by what I will say

Hijabs even though they are cultural, items they are now, too closely associated with a certain Abrahamic religion to ever be included in a Sims game. You do have some options of cultural clothing if you have the new City Living pack.

We have a menorah and Hanukkah lights, which are also closely associated with "a certain Abrahamic religion" of a different type. I see no issue with including hijabs as a cultural item. They could even be adapted for storytelling purposes -- an old-fashioned family where the women dress modestly (at least one of the dresses from Get Together could work) and keep their heads covered, for example, with a teen family member breaking away from family tradition when she's out on the town.

The menorah comes in a optional pack key word OPTIONAL you are talking about adding religious clothing to the game which many do not want and this game gives you no option to delete it. The women in my game are not oppressed and don't have to hide themselves as not to offend men.

"TJKazuha09;15607842" wrote:

sorry but holiday pack is not related to that specific religion.. try to look at the history and you will know that it was actually just a culture that adjusted with that specific religion.

Non-Muslims wear head scarves as well, so the gaming community should call it a head scarf. I got no problem with Sims wearing Kippas, Crosses, Hijabs, Turbans, or whatever religious item they want; in fact I think diverse religions makes it relatable, let's not forget the entire Sims Medieval game where religion was the foundation of the game, (and you got a negative buff for being agnostic). EA can't claim that they don't want religion and then incorporate it, and then take it away: (I still play TSM regardless of Peteran and Jacoban religious fights).

I think it's best to add neutral tools and clothing that players can use for religion if they want it. I recently made a church in my game and found I had lots of content to support it: like lots of traditional architecture; the organ; the podium; etc. I made a Sim who will be the priest and had him set up a club of Sims who I thought would probably attend church. I set the church as the specific hang-out spot for the club, and gave them club rules such as reading, singing, giving speeches, and playing the organ. It works pretty well. All this with no actual religious content.

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825838773837656064

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825839625117847552

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825840430352842753

However, I couldn't find any appropriate clothing for the priest. I'd love it if they added a generic top/suit with a recolour that looked like a priest's collar. I wouldn't say this is intended to be any specific religion, but more of a certain archetype style of religion, if that makes sense. Generic Western Religion. :D

I also have Generic Eastern Religion. I use the yoga mat and meditation stool for this. I don't have a venue at the moment.

I like to have Sims from all different backgrounds and places. I like variety. Also, I live in a multi-cultural area and it's normal for me to see lots of different cultural backgrounds in the world around me. I'm pleased they added more diverse clothing in City Living, I like the turban and head-wraps.

I think if that add generic cultural clothing then that's fine. I'd love a basic headscarf. Yes, I'd use it for my Generic Eastern Religion Sims, but I'd also use it for my vintage glamour Sims: ex-movie stars who would wear them with big glasses so as not to be recognised (but would be conspicuous in their disguise!). I think a head scarf with lots of bright prints as well as plain options would be really useful. In fact, I saw a girl with her pink scarf pulled up over her head today because it was raining, she didn't look particularly religious to me.

http://historyoffashiondesign.com/wp-content/uploads/goldengirls_zps3ac1eeae.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/d1/be/03d1bedbce252cc5fef351104ae0341e.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ac/87/13/ac87138a633d86edd7411453f6de8477.jpg

https://basilicacoutureblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/3436-25643-red-sunglass-full.jpg

These examples would be generic enough to not be particularly religious, but could be used by people who want to make a Sim with a certain background.

"ChadSims2;15608005" wrote:
The women in my game are not oppressed and don't have to hide themselves as not to offend men.

Just to be super clear. Women should be able to choose to wear whatever they want. If they are happy to show a little flesh then that's up to them. Likewise, if a woman chooses to cover herself up then that is also their choice. I understand your thinking here, but plenty of women choose to wear more conservative clothing because they might feel more comfortable that way, or they might feel respectful of their culture and their heritage. The idea that women who choose to dress conservatively are 'oppressed' is not necessarily true. I like wearing big jumpers and squirrelling down into the depths of my furry coat hood, usually because I feel the cold easily. But I'm not oppressed. I could go out in heels, with bare legs, a sleek coat, and a face plastered in make-up, but I think I'd feel like I was being forced to conform to society's expectations rather than just being comfy and happy in my big coat and converse. Let women wear whatever the plumb they want! Sims too. Everyone really.

#TeamCulturalDiversity

"Cinderellimouse;15608792" wrote:
I think it's best to add neutral tools and clothing that players can use for religion if they want it. I recently made a church in my game and found I had lots of content to support it: like lots of traditional architecture; the organ; the podium; etc. I made a Sim who will be the priest and had him set up a club of Sims who I thought would probably attend church. I set the church as the specific hang-out spot for the club, and gave them club rules such as reading, singing, giving speeches, and playing the organ. It works pretty well. All this with no actual religious content.

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825838773837656064

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825839625117847552

https://twitter.com/Cinderellimouse/status/825840430352842753

However, I couldn't find any appropriate clothing for the priest. I'd love it if they added a generic top/suit with a recolour that looked like a priest's collar. I wouldn't say this is intended to be any specific religion, but more of a certain archetype style of religion, if that makes sense. Generic Western Religion. :D

I also have Generic Eastern Religion. I use the yoga mat and meditation stool for this. I don't have a venue at the moment.

I like to have Sims from all different backgrounds and places. I like variety. Also, I live in a multi-cultural area and it's normal for me to see lots of different cultural backgrounds in the world around me. I'm pleased they added more diverse clothing in City Living, I like the turban and head-wraps.

I think if that add generic cultural clothing then that's fine. I'd love a basic headscarf. Yes, I'd use it for my Generic Eastern Religion Sims, but I'd also use it for my vintage glamour Sims: ex-movie stars who would wear them with big glasses so as not to be recognised (but would be conspicuous in their disguise!). I think a head scarf with lots of bright prints as well as plain options would be really useful. In fact, I saw a girl with her pink scarf pulled up over her head today because it was raining, she didn't look particularly religious to me.

http://historyoffashiondesign.com/wp-content/uploads/goldengirls_zps3ac1eeae.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/03/d1/be/03d1bedbce252cc5fef351104ae0341e.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ac/87/13/ac87138a633d86edd7411453f6de8477.jpg

https://basilicacoutureblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/3436-25643-red-sunglass-full.jpg

These examples would be generic enough to not be particularly religious, but could be used by people who want to make a Sim with a certain background.

"ChadSims2;15608005" wrote:
The women in my game are not oppressed and don't have to hide themselves as not to offend men.

Just to be super clear. Women should be able to choose to wear whatever they want. If they are happy to show a little flesh then that's up to them. Likewise, if a woman chooses to cover herself up then that is also their choice. I understand your thinking here, but plenty of women choose to wear more conservative clothing because they might feel more comfortable that way, or they might feel respectful of their culture and their heritage. The idea that women who choose to dress conservatively are 'oppressed' is not necessarily true. I like wearing big jumpers and squirrelling down into the depths of my furry coat hood, usually because I feel the cold easily. But I'm not oppressed. I could go out in heels, with bare legs, a sleek coat, and a face plastered in make-up, but I think I'd feel like I was being forced to conform to society's expectations rather than just being comfy and happy in my big coat and converse. Let women wear whatever the plumb they want! Sims too. Everyone really.

#TeamCulturalDiversity

I agree with this. Neutral looking decoration, tools, fashion and objects should be the best bet if people wants cultural essence to be added in game. Also, I second her opinion about women should be able to choose to wear whatever they want, but with addition, as long as they also respect the norm of their own society (Ex: being topless and walk around the street is disrespectful to the society, so I wouldn't accept that too. I wouldn't mind if they are topless at the beach though, as what I mentioned: it has purpose, context, and concept).

As for Headscarf (Hijab, Burqa, etc.) I think if it added along with the world (maybe for an EP which might be similar to Egypt in world adventure), it will be completely fine since Sims wants to express the culture of the sims who live in there.) But if it just for "the fashion", might have to really think carefully since it might led to an opinion we don't want if it happen to be used for something wrong by user.

Additionally, I deactived TJKazuha09's account. It was originally my origin alt account I created for a purpose, he (my...friend?) was too lazy to create an account, but since he is about to use it for something I don't like, I deactived it. No more trying to point out flaws in a sensitive issue like this. So please ignore anything he said, he won't response anymore... with that account at least.