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Of course, this is a \"no work/no school\" holiday and they did not go to work, were never prompted to, never made any calls to call out of work, etc.
After the holiday was over I realized they were down to 2 vacation days each when they had 3 each. I created a test file and played through another no work/no school holiday and watched the vacation days for the adults AND the children (their school vacation days) and it takes away from it!
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After the holiday was over I realized they were down to 2 vacation days each when they had 3 each. I created a test file and played through another no work/no school holiday and watched the vacation days for the adults AND the children (their school vacation days) and it takes away from it!
Is this a glitch or is it supposed to be this way? It's so bizarre... 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\"Cupid;c-16557316\" wrote: I get that it would have been exploitable, but at the same time.. if you take too many holidays you wouldn't be able to increase your performance at work or school. The system already had measures to make the exploit unfavorable. I disagree with the design decision.
Yeah and of course if you really want to exploit you could simply just add more money with cheats or download a custom career that has you earn a lot of money for only a few hours of work. I mean we already have plenty of ways to exploit so this seems like a non-concern.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-22T22:54:46.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-22T22:54:46.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427674","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:161387":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:161387","uid":161387,"login":"eemvee","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2017-01-15T06:26:57.000Z"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1721239731000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:161387"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427675":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427675","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427675":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:161387"},"id":"message:427675","revisionNum":1,"uid":427675,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427675"},"body":"
\"mr014;c-16557396\" wrote:
Holidays should be paid, and not take from our Sims' vacation days, like in real life.
Where do ya’ll work?! Federal or not, my paid time off bank gets dinged every holiday. Of course, I can accrue much more than 4 days in a year. Maybe they can just make the base amount of vacation days for each job/school situation higher? That might solve the issue without cheats. Maybe?
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Got to go to work to eventually get promoted).","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-23T00:14:37.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T00:14:37.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427676","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":20,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:69260":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:69260","uid":69260,"login":"Goth583","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-05-29T20:48:21.000+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1721239731000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:69260"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427677":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427677","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427677":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:69260"},"id":"message:427677","revisionNum":1,"uid":427677,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427677"},"body":"Question, if its a holiday does your sim have the option to go to work for time and a half? Or do they get paid to just stay home? ;) ;)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"139","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-23T00:15:00.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T00:15:00.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427677","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:161025":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:161025","uid":161025,"login":"EgonVM","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-07-29T19:28:49.681+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/custom/sims_01-1735828747375.jpg?time=1735828763000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:161025"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427678":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427678","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427678":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:161025"},"id":"message:427678","revisionNum":1,"uid":427678,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427678"},"body":"That's interesting. Today after seeing this discussion I observed one of my sims. She is a scientist. When Harvestfest started, she had 3 vacation days. After the clock reached 8.00 pm (when her work ends), she got paid and had 4 vacation days. Ok then. So I have bug that increases the vacation days for sims... (I'll never fix it!)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-23T00:24:24.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T00:24:24.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427678","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:46130":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:46130","uid":46130,"login":"aBelgianSimmer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-04-22T10:24:24.000+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1721239493000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:46130"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427679":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427679","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427679":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:46130"},"id":"message:427679","revisionNum":1,"uid":427679,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427679"},"body":"
\"EgonVM;c-16557831\" wrote: That's interesting. Today after seeing this discussion I observed one of my sims. She is a scientist. When Harvestfest started, she had 3 vacation days. After the clock reached 8.00 pm (when her work ends), she got paid and had 4 vacation days. Ok then. So I have bug that increases the vacation days for sims... (I'll never fix it!)
It's not a bug, Sims earn vacation days by working.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2018-06-23T00:45:38.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T00:45:38.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427679","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:52511":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:52511","uid":52511,"login":"OldeSimsFan","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-12-19T02:21:46.000Z"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1721239561000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:52511"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427680":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427680","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427680":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:52511"},"id":"message:427680","revisionNum":1,"uid":427680,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427680"},"body":"
\"Elaina;c-16557777\" wrote:
\"mr014;c-16557396\" wrote:
Holidays should be paid, and not take from our Sims' vacation days, like in real life.
Where do ya’ll work?! Federal or not, my paid time off bank gets dinged every holiday. Of course, I can accrue much more than 4 days in a year. Maybe they can just make the base amount of vacation days for each job/school situation higher? That might solve the issue without cheats. Maybe?
Maybe it's more of a question of where do you work? In the US of A, holidays (paid or not) are separate from vacation, no deducting from time off. Been that way in every company I've worked at, large or small, public or private, in a half-century of earning a living. EA's design choice flies in the face of standard practice, and quite possibly federal employment law. Not to mention the already shown lack of logic in view of the game's existing various means of free income.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-23T01:10:03.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T01:10:03.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427680","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:113186":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:113186","uid":113186,"login":"Hermitgirl","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-10-04T16:30:50.000+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1721239660000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:113186"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427681":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427681","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427681":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:113186"},"id":"message:427681","revisionNum":1,"uid":427681,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427681"},"body":"I'm disappointed in this also. Yes I probably would have exploited it at times .. mostly for story telling or other challenge ideas, especially homeless ideas where I wanted to try to drag the kiddos along. But in saves where my sims lived normal lives I doubt I would have exploited it, for one I'd be too lazy to set them up that many holidays. I also thought it would be nice to have blocks of days off to mimic children's holidays from school. I'm disappointed because I expected it mostly...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2018-06-23T01:41:52.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-06-23T01:41:52.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:427643/message:427681","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:427682":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:427682","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:427682":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:161387"},"id":"message:427682","revisionNum":1,"uid":427682,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:427643"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:427643"},"subject":"Re: Are \"no work\" holidays supposed to take away my work vacation days???","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:427682"},"body":"
\"Oldeseadogge;c-16557937\" wrote:
Maybe it's more of a question of where do you work? In the US of A, holidays (paid or not) are separate from vacation, no deducting from time off. Been that way in every company I've worked at, large or small, public or private, in a half-century of earning a living. EA's design choice flies in the face of standard practice, and quite possibly federal employment law. Not to mention the already shown lack of logic in view of the game's existing various means of free income.
I work for a community hospital actually. In the US of A. We have one lump amount for everything (sick time, pto, holidays etc.)
Here’s what I found by just googling: “Traditionally, employers offered separate paid time off benefits to employees, such as paid vacation, sick leave and personal days. However, in the past decade, many companies have moved to a more flexible Paid Time Off or “PTO” benefit that incorporates all policies into one all-inclusive PTO plan.-Jul 12, 2016”
I also get quite a few hours put toward my lump sum weekly. Which maxes out at 400. So maybe I’m not doing so bad lol.
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