Hi,I see that a lot of YT Simmers and Customers are spamming on The Sims social media and trying to let EA to give us more skin and hair tones. Do you thing that they will finally get us more skin tones? If yes, what should be fixed next?I guess that it should be more item swatches, matching cabinets and more lots for base game and expansion worlds.

No, I don't think we are getting more skin tones and hair colors anytime soon.

Nope. What people are asking for won't be done within the timeframe they want it.

I wish we would get more swatches for hairs and skintones... Hair SwatchesBlack: We need different undertones for black hair. The current one has a blue undertone and I think a little more neutral and darker black swatch would be a welcome change. The salt&pepper swatch is decent but it doesn't always work well for younger sims because the silver hairs can be very strong on some hairs. Brown: The dark brown swatch is one of the best swatches in the game because it looks good with pretty much any hair. That being said, we could use some more undertones for brown. The light brown swatch looks kinda obnoxious on a lot of the hairs and I wish we would have ashier tones.Red: I don't personally have complaints on the red side but someone else probably does.Blonde: As someone who has naturally blonde hair, this is the category that really irks me. The swatches are awful. The ''dirty blonde'' is the only decent blonde swatch and it's not even a real dirty blonde. I have never used the cheese swatch because I hate it with a burning passion. The platinum blonde swatch looks good on very few hairs because it looks choppy on a lot of the textures. I wish we would get ashier tones for blondes. Something that resembles actually dirty blonde hair. I have the most basic blonde hair anyone can be born with and there's no way to replicate that in the Sims without custom swatches (and I don't like using custom swatches)White&Gray: Personally, I don't mind the darker gray swatch but the lighter one I have a slight problem with. I wish we would have something a little lighter with less blue undertone. Unnatural: I wish we would have a broader range of unnatural swatches. For example, dark purple, lighter green, pastel pink, pastel blue etc. because we're really lacking in those. SkintonesI don't even remember what most of the swatches look like because I had to replace them with custom overrides because the dark tones had very weird textures and undertones. Some of the darker swatches are almost corpse-like because they have so ashy undertones. Skintones are probably always gonna be an issue unless they create a slider with undertone options and then a broad range from light to dark.

"NoTalent;c-17606860" wrote:Nope. What people are asking for won't be done within the timeframe they want it.they have given a time frame ? they have know idea how much work this stuff takes

I'm quite used to the skin tones. They're not the perfect shade, I think literally no one can find their skin tone in the game, but they work for my sims. I would love more hair colours, but don't think we'll get any (any time soon at least).I'd prefer they paid attention to the traits and relationships and added some depth to those.

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Spots_ALot
New Spectator
5 years ago
I'm probably the only black simmer that doesn't have a problem with the skin tones. The sim in my avatar uses one of the controversial skin tones and I don't care what anyone says, she's beautiful. If they give us more, great. If they don't, that's fine. I do not care.

Also, we don't need a color wheel or a skin tone slider. The color wheel, patterns and renders for Sims 3 were a part of what bogged down the game and made it difficult on most people's machines. I hated the sliders because if you had 2 parents who had skin tones from 2 different sliders, your baby could only have one skin tone or the other. At least in Sims 4, there's a chance that your child might come out in between.
Sims_Architect3
5 years ago
"TheSpotted_C;c-17608947" wrote:
I'm probably the only black simmer that doesn't have a problem with the skin tones. The sim in my avatar uses one of the controversial skin tones and I don't care what anyone says, she's beautiful. If they give us more, great. If they don't, that's fine. I do not care.

Also, we don't need a color wheel or a skin tone slider. The color wheel, patterns and renders for Sims 3 were a part of what bogged down the game and made it difficult on most people's machines. I hated the sliders because if you had 2 parents who had skin tones from 2 different sliders, your baby could only have one skin tone or the other. At least in Sims 4, there's a chance that your child might come out in between.

It’s a problem for enough black simmers that they should definitely address it. They’ve been pandering to the black community with the BLM stuff . So they definitely need to follow through with some action. The dark skin tones are ashen. And lack warmth.

We do need a color wheel and slider because people need to be able to create sims they can relate to more easily. We need MORE options not less. You can always just not make use of those features if we get them, but others shouldn’t suffer just because you don’t need them.
Elystia
New Spectator
5 years ago
More skin and hair colors would be a big improvement. Assuming they listen to us and it does be a thing, the question is will this be in a free update or in a pack? It could honestly go either way but the cynical part of me says we'll end up having to buy this because EA does love milking the cash cow.
Sthenastia
New Spectator
5 years ago
How skintones and hair colors can be put in pack? I can not imagine that. Yellow light and ash dark skin in base game but ivory and warm dark skin will be in pack?
Elystia
New Spectator
5 years ago
"Sthenastia;c-17609413" wrote:
How skintones and hair colors can be put in pack? I can not imagine that. Yellow light and ash dark skin in base game but ivory and warm dark skin will be in pack?

Skin and hair colors is definitely in the patch content area, putting this into a stuff or game pack would just be evil.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"TheSpotted_C;c-17608947" wrote:
I'm probably the only black simmer that doesn't have a problem with the skin tones. The sim in my avatar uses one of the controversial skin tones and I don't care what anyone says, she's beautiful. If they give us more, great. If they don't, that's fine. I do not care.

Also, we don't need a color wheel or a skin tone slider. The color wheel, patterns and renders for Sims 3 were a part of what bogged down the game and made it difficult on most people's machines. I hated the sliders because if you had 2 parents who had skin tones from 2 different sliders, your baby could only have one skin tone or the other. At least in Sims 4, there's a chance that your child might come out in between.

@TheSpotted_C Well no not really. It was not the color wheel itself that was heavy on the systems and slowed down the game. It was the millions of premade patterns and the ability to save your own patterns. A colour wheel like in cats and dogs is no big problem as you can tell since it didn't cause problems and also guys its 2020 and not 2009 anymore.
There were several things that made The Sims 3 difficult to run and even though the color wheel customization options could have been part of the problem I would argue they were not too much of a problem. Nobody really knows exactly what the cause of the problem was so let's not act like we do.
Simburian
New Traveler
5 years ago
I can see EA/Maxis producing a pack set in Africa and saying "look we've got new skin tones" o:)
logionX
Seasoned Hotshot
5 years ago
They cared enough to include modded skintones in their tv show.

https://twitter.com/TheKixg/status/1292853959774867458

How about you making those skintones yourselves Maxis?
LiELF
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
"SimmerGeorge;c-17609472" wrote:
"TheSpotted_C;c-17608947" wrote:
I'm probably the only black simmer that doesn't have a problem with the skin tones. The sim in my avatar uses one of the controversial skin tones and I don't care what anyone says, she's beautiful. If they give us more, great. If they don't, that's fine. I do not care.

Also, we don't need a color wheel or a skin tone slider. The color wheel, patterns and renders for Sims 3 were a part of what bogged down the game and made it difficult on most people's machines. I hated the sliders because if you had 2 parents who had skin tones from 2 different sliders, your baby could only have one skin tone or the other. At least in Sims 4, there's a chance that your child might come out in between.

@TheSpotted_C Well no not really. It was not the color wheel itself that was heavy on the systems and slowed down the game. It was the millions of premade patterns and the ability to save your own patterns. A colour wheel like in cats and dogs is no big problem as you can tell since it didn't cause problems and also guys its 2020 and not 2009 anymore.
There were several things that made The Sims 3 difficult to run and even though the color wheel customization options could have been part of the problem I would argue they were not too much of a problem. Nobody really knows exactly what the cause of the problem was so let's not act like we do.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. My PC system was pretty much top of the line when Cats and Dogs came out, and I made a lot of pets using the color wheel and patterns. There's a section of my Library that's full of pet households. To this day, whenever I'm scrolling through my Library, when I reach those households, the game pauses for a couple of seconds to load them. It's a significant difference in performance from loading Sim households. I'm pretty sure that if we'd had the same options for Sims, there would be a lot of lag and choppiness in the game, especially on average or older systems.

The Sims isn't like other games. With everything in the game being customizable, a color wheel is going to have a more profound effect than in, say, an MMO because people's systems have to calculate all of the individual colors and layers including alternate categories of outfits, hair, makeup, accessories, skin details, etc. Most other games only have to calculate one uniform look, and then maybe specific slots for outfit/armor pieces. They don't change for showers or work or saunas, or special circumstances either.

But you're right, it's 2020. Perhaps there's better tech now for the next iteration.
SimmerGeorge
5 years ago
"LiELF;c-17609644" wrote:
"SimmerGeorge;c-17609472" wrote:
"TheSpotted_C;c-17608947" wrote:
I'm probably the only black simmer that doesn't have a problem with the skin tones. The sim in my avatar uses one of the controversial skin tones and I don't care what anyone says, she's beautiful. If they give us more, great. If they don't, that's fine. I do not care.

Also, we don't need a color wheel or a skin tone slider. The color wheel, patterns and renders for Sims 3 were a part of what bogged down the game and made it difficult on most people's machines. I hated the sliders because if you had 2 parents who had skin tones from 2 different sliders, your baby could only have one skin tone or the other. At least in Sims 4, there's a chance that your child might come out in between.

@TheSpotted_C Well no not really. It was not the color wheel itself that was heavy on the systems and slowed down the game. It was the millions of premade patterns and the ability to save your own patterns. A colour wheel like in cats and dogs is no big problem as you can tell since it didn't cause problems and also guys its 2020 and not 2009 anymore.
There were several things that made The Sims 3 difficult to run and even though the color wheel customization options could have been part of the problem I would argue they were not too much of a problem. Nobody really knows exactly what the cause of the problem was so let's not act like we do.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. My PC system was pretty much top of the line when Cats and Dogs came out, and I made a lot of pets using the color wheel and patterns. There's a section of my Library that's full of pet households. To this day, whenever I'm scrolling through my Library, when I reach those households, the game pauses for a couple of seconds to load them. It's a significant difference in performance from loading Sim households. I'm pretty sure that if we'd had the same options for Sims, there would be a lot of lag and choppiness in the game, especially on average or older systems.

The Sims isn't like other games. With everything in the game being customizable, a color wheel is going to have a more profound effect than in, say, an MMO because people's systems have to calculate all of the individual colors and layers including alternate categories of outfits, hair, makeup, accessories, skin details, etc. Most other games only have to calculate one uniform look, and then maybe specific slots for outfit/armor pieces. They don't change for showers or work or saunas, or special circumstances either.

But you're right, it's 2020. Perhaps there's better tech now for the next iteration.

Well yeah but are you sure that when you scroll over the families in the gallery the game is loading the color wheel? I cannot imagine that being a thing. I can imagine there being lag when opening up the color wheel in CAS but I can't imagine there being any background process while scrolling through families that involves the color wheel. But that's just me I guess.