Fed Up With Issues

For those who are having problems with friezes, interior fencing and balconies, your fix is here...

https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/948506/intruding-frieze-fix

How to solve the problem? Stop Sims from trying to be social when social is full. As in the other games. They go to another room because someone else or pet is in another room, (the game is pushing the need for social) though social motives are full. If this game worked correctly in that field then they would no longer want or need to be near someone else or a pet. If the game realized the social is full it would't push them to go to a different room.

"Zasz;c-16742461" wrote:
@Cinebar You do realize that the game is build on the idea of socializing? Ok, there are lone wolfs but I dont see the correlation between a full social bar and social actions. If anything it would be the social bar itself thats causing an issue not the interactions while the bar is full.

If the game needs something, it needs a tool to disable certain actions so if the game runs its action lottery it doesnt cycle through every possible action (regardless if it can do it on the lot) which seems to be the current problem with a full household.

Yes, and why it's backwards. In the other games Sims stop socializing when social is full, because they are based on motives of things they need at that moment. In TS4 they are overly social and why the game pushes them to be around other Sims even the loners. It is a bad design in my opinion as it was advertized as being based on emotions...o.k. if that were true, then a happy Sim wouldn't need to do anything around other Sims would they? They would be content to eat alone, read alone, work alone. But in TS4 no matter their emotion and or their trait and or their motive/physical needs they are pushed to socialize. When it's not even necessary. That's why they need to fix that part of game and redesign if a motive is full then stop it. If soical is full then stop going around other Sims or moving to a different room where they are. But we both know they aren't going to do it, but that is the problem. If Sims would stop doing what they do when motives are full (as in the other games) then there would be a lot less complaints.

ETA: Motives are why Sims do what they do (and memories) in the other games, however, in TS4 the motives don't matter at all. That is why a Sim who doesn't need social interactions at all go around other Sims to eat, or sit, or be near or whatever, and why it's flawed, badly. If motives mattered, they wouldn't care and wouldn't go around another Sim or pet until they needed to do that.

It's not making loners of sims who don't have the loner trait. It's a matter of properly rotating through the needs to meet them in order of lowest scores. If a sim needs the bathroom, they should go there and use it, not stand around chatting with the letter carrier. TS2 does that quite well, taking a balanced approach. Unlike a certain game lots of us are disgusted with.

Just uninstalled AGAIN, more and more bugs making the game unplayable, I don't know what to do anymore so I guess not playing it has to be the option because there isn't any other option, and that was without mods, tried the MCCCC finally and still had issues and even my computer crashed not just the game ( could not even control alt delete out either ) so I give up on sims 4

"Zasz;c-16742814" wrote:
With the current system its more realistic. Vampire sims with the trait that the social bar doesnt deplete would never socialize even without the loner trait. The trait to not need sims to socialize would make that sim a loner without the loner trait. Your system would make the concept of a household with more than one sim a terrible gameplay up to the point of appearing bugged. It would be sims living together but hardly interacting with each other and that with just one of the traits that makes socializing obsolete.

And thats before we could go into the mostly unpredictable autonomous consequences of sims talking with each other in an environment without happy buff boosters around.

LOL, You think so? (Bolded part) sorry, but that is the very system TS1, TS2 are based upon and how they are played and why Sims behave the way they do in both those games. (And we all know some(most) feel The Sims and The Sims 2 are the better games). :)

I don't remember sims coming out of nowhere to talk to my sims at community lots in the sims 2 if they didn't have a relationship with them... In the sims 4 it's almost creepy sometimes, like every time I bring kids to the park there is a random adult stranger that wants to talk with them, this makes toddler sad if they are not a charmer, and honestly creeps me out to the point I had their father master the public enemy aspiration to get the mastermind trait and subtly debase the creepy townies.

I like my sims socializing even when the bar is full. I love that they seek each other out to eat and just hang out. It's cute. Normally sims are so unaware of their environments and other sims... I like that they do at lease this. I wouldn't want my households feeling like a bunch of strangers.

"wormstache999;c-16739805" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16739713" wrote:

"wormstache999;c-16739706" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16739608" wrote:

"SiliClone;c-16738144" wrote:
The Ai is a BIG problem in this game, an example is: a toddler who's starving that grab a plate of food and climb the stairs to eat on the bedroom chair, it takes her a lot of time, when there is a chair right in the kitchen for her, perfectly usable as she used it in the past. The reason she does this is because the cat is sleeping in the bedroom. And this is not even a bug, this is by plum design.

Simply remove the problem - which is apparently the bedroom chair. Problem solved - the tot will use the closer chair. Or maybe lock the cat out of her bedroom - attraction gone.

I really hope that was more of a joke because it's not a good solution - It's just an annoying workaround. Because it basically means your pets and other Sims always need to be in the room where Sims are supposed to eat and you can't have any other comfort items anywhere (not even beds).

No it is not a real solution for people who get those issues. Keep in mind not every one gets all these issues - so I dispute it is simply an AI problem other wise I would have those problems too. You can't change an AI because some computers apparently have configure issues with the AI that all computers do not have. The computers with issues either need to be re-cognfigured - which depend on your skill at doing that or a simple solution - change the article of contention - the cat or the chair.

After all these years of Sims games we go through this with every rendition of the game - where there is always some pcs that play flawless with the game and some won't get along at all - it all come down to configurations in variants in different pcs and finding with the right match - I've been lucky Sims 2, 3 and Sims 4 - flawless mostly (helps - hubby an amazing pc tech who is a whiz at recognfiguring my pc to exact specifications needed 99 percent of the time) - had issues in sims 2 with Securum and certain high end Intel Duo pcs especially if that pc ran one of he Nortons anti virus programs (that one hat had that unstable scanner system in it) - finally through in the towel went back to AMC Asus super computer gaming desktop - no more problem. It's just the way it always is - there is no way with all the types of pc configs there are out there -all will ever work flawlessly with all game programming. PCs are not identical consoles and why there will be issues s long as players do not know how to recognfigure their own pc to make them work as the game is designed. Maybe buy the exact system the devs use to make the game - if you can't do that - can't re-cognfigure your own system to match - then you find a work around - because chances are the broken issues is for the least number of systems - not the majority. When it is the majority - that is a real bug and then Maxis can fix it because the majority of machine would have broken games - but less than that you are better off finding a work around instead of just having a hissy fit or waiting for ever. It's not a joke - it is a way to play your game without pulling your hair out completely.

I admit I have no clue about programing games, but shouldn't the behavior of NPC/AI be unrelated to your computer specs? I understand that some glitches can happen when you barely have the minimum requirements for a game, but the behavior of Sims should always stay the same.
To me it seems more like people have different methods of playing and building, and that's why some of us constantly get certain bugs or annoying Sim behavior while others like you apparently don't. There are enough players out there who have the newest hardware and they get the same bugs as people who have some older low-budget computer (including the weird behavior of the Sims).

I think some AI problems are based on what configurations your personal computer has set up and what is installed in your system. I know one bug (can't remember what it was) the gurus was said was caused by a program installed on someone's system. I had no idea what that program was or what it did but it evidentally was a problem for this game. I prefer ATI/AMD processors and cards because I never get the problems some have with Nvidia cards and Intel processors. And I can say that since TS2.

"Zasz;c-16746657" wrote:

"Charlotta11;c-16745991" wrote:
I use simulation fix mod and that have helped a lot of playing. I use swich a lot to 1-3 speed so im happy that there is mod for that. But that EA didnt fix that ... it was the sims community.

Unfortunately it doesnt work for everyone. Me for example. Its a bandaid at best for some people.

EA should seriously fix that. Simulation fix mod works for me but i cant imagine playing whitout it or if it wouldnt work. Sims 4 is unplayable whitout simulation fix. Atleast for me.