I quit using the butler a while ago #metoo. And the maid. And the gardener. And I've given up on ordering pizza. NPC's definitely need improvement.
And while we are at it, why only a single butler? Since Get Famous my sims are filthy rich, they want to show it by number of employees.
And for me the most important thing would be some hidden trait cheat to make one or more household members functioning butlers. I've spent so much time creating my Alfred Pennyworth, why is cleaning my Batmobile?
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I do not know if this is intended or not. Makes sense if it is.
I mean in the real world if you had a household employee that was hungry, stinky and exhausted, and felt under appreciated, I would imagine they would leave as well.
Suggestion EA - In respect to the sleeping only when they are in the red/exhausted state, maybe a behind the scenes reprogramming to queue them to sleep just prior to entering that exhausted stage or even allowing them rest time (naps for short periods of the day) ? I do not know anything about the programming aspect of it. A warning would be nice ..similar to ones that are given when a toddler is ready to be taken away. Something like -- Butler X is feeling under appreciated, or Butler X is overworked and needs a nap (if they implement such a feature), Butler X is hungry, and then a list of possible resolutions. Butler X may leave your service is these needs are not met for instance. This would clearly without doubt distinguish whether this is an intended game play feature or if you were actually experiencing a game related bug. This may already occur ? I just never let my Butler's needs get out of hand so I have not seen any sort of message.
My Sims also converse with the Butler, play Chess etc.. with the Butler and really make them part of the family or at least I try to include them as such. Even in a simulated game, I dislike treating them as 'hired help'. I try also to pay attention to their emotional state and try to cheer them up etc.. If you praise them (through the Manage Butler interactions), they actually work harder for a bit and get more done in your household. This would lead me to believe that how they are treated could be directly linked to them leaving.
This of course is just my own opinion and I love playing with the Butler and have for years. To be clear my game play experience and opinions/suggestions are not to be taken away from the fact that people may be experiencing actual bugs and technical issues. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-07-21T16:49:16.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-21T16:49:16.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2293197/message:2293231","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:90830":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:90830","uid":90830,"login":"pv-rodriguesds","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-02-21T04:25:50.000Z","confirmEmailStatus":null,"registrationAccessLevel":null,"ssoRegistrationFields":[]},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg"},"rank":null,"messagesCount":0,"kudosGivenCount":119,"kudosReceivedCount":121,"kudosWeight":1,"ssoId":null,"followersCount":null,"solutionsCount":0,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:90830"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2293230":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2293230","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2293230":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:90830"},"id":"message:2293230","revisionNum":1,"uid":2293230,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2293197"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2293197"},"subject":"Re: Fix the Butler!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2293230"},"body":"
\"SerenityVIII;c-17580266\" wrote: I cannot speak on any specific bug as that is a more technical thing and I am not experiencing any Butler bugs myself, however I know over the years I learned to praise my Butler each day, ensure they had their own bed/bathroom with a bathtub (in my experience they will not use a shower), ensured they had enough time to eat something and I force them to sleep by the manage Butler options every night and send them to bed. Once I started this .. my butler would always stay with me.
My routine - make sure they go to sleep around same time each night, and my Butler gets up/has bath, sits down to eat breakfast, one of my Adult Sims praises him/her and then chats with them for a few Sim minutes then the Butler is off to do chores.
If they were unhappy or I worked them too hard, they would leave and I would get a new one and it was constantly changing. Sometimes you can get bad butlers with undesirable traits and this can cause conflict as well. You can 'get to know them' to find out their traits or edit them directly with the CAS cheat. You can fire the one you do not like and get another Butler.
I haven't had the issue with them leaving the household since I started changing the way my Sims managed them. If everything is provided to them and all their needs are met then I am not quite sure.
Very interesting! I'll pay attention to it next time I play with butlers. In this case, I guess the game could give some kind of warning for us players without ambiguity if there's a problem or not.
I played with butlers on my XOne version and it kept the same old guy, even when I travelled to community lots. I just wished that they would sleep without needed to be ordened. ","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-07-21T13:45:00.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-21T13:45:00.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:2293197/message:2293230","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2293229":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2293229","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2293229":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:27454"},"id":"message:2293229","revisionNum":1,"uid":2293229,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2293197"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2293197"},"subject":"Re: Fix the Butler!!!","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2293229"},"body":"I cannot speak on any specific bug as that is a more technical thing and I am not experiencing any Butler bugs myself, however I know over the years I learned to praise my Butler each day, ensure they had their own bed/bathroom with a bathtub (in my experience they will not use a shower), ensured they had enough time to eat something and I force them to sleep by the manage Butler options every night and send them to bed. Once I started this .. my butler would always stay with me.
My routine - make sure they go to sleep around same time each night, and my Butler gets up/has bath, sits down to eat breakfast, one of my Adult Sims praises him/her and then chats with them for a few Sim minutes then the Butler is off to do chores.
If they were unhappy or I worked them too hard, they would leave and I would get a new one and it was constantly changing. Sometimes you can get bad butlers with undesirable traits and this can cause conflict as well. You can 'get to know them' to find out their traits or edit them directly with the CAS cheat. You can fire the one you do not like and get another Butler.
I haven't had the issue with them leaving the household since I started changing the way my Sims managed them. 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