How to deal with smaller worlds- Enable Multi Use Lots and TS2 Style apts

"Writin_Reg;c-16808766" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808609" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808077" wrote:
No - too much like work. They need to offer that stuff in each world as I don't like playing a game where I have to jump through hoops to do it. It is why I don't use CC or modes during a developing game. Not worth the hassle of doing anything not part of the games mechanics when a patch is just going to mess things up sooner or later. First of all homes need 8 players and not 4 on each side with locked doors and you still having to heavy hand them going into their own places with out pitching fits. Deal with enough real life fits in real life - don't need it in my game.

Not allowing renting in world but CL really messes up the money and perception of even living in an apartment because they are not recognized as separate households. If you spend a lot of money on one apt - and nothing on the other the whole house pays. That is not right nor am I willing to sit there and try to keep all that straight. There is no way you can truly keep those families separate with out 100 percent constant juggling and pretending something exists that does not. It needs to be a part of that world or it needs not faked - at least for me it is like that. I just hate hassles.

Okay, you do you, but the option should be there for the rest of us who would use these features.

Lots are boring right now. I really wish we had a system like ts2's.

This game just makes no sense to me anymore. No bowling alleys or arcades...can't give my museum a small gift shop. Can't have a movie dine out.

It's just... what's the point of so much stuff if sims don't use it

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Every time you use a debug cheat - like moo or build cheats it sets you gae up for instability as debug cheat have always had a history of those kinds of problem.
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Oh wow, you don't even use moo???? wow.

Well that's.... that's just not the game I want to the play. I find ts4 boring and ugly without cc and cheats. Ts4 should be about giving us the control that we want to do things our way, and that includes how we set up lots. It'd certainly introduce bugs and glitches but if the team was better at coding play tested better before releasing a pack a lot of that could be avoid. I don't think that dumbing the game down is an effective way to solve the bugs issue since it almost makes it not fun for a lot of us. And if a game is not fun it doesn't sell well.

I still don't get it though since for the first couple months I played ts4 I did not even know about custom content or cheats and I would get massive lag where all my sims would stop what they're doing for a while until their actions loaded and they'd continue again. It was creepy and did not stop until i started using mods, specifically the Simulation Fix mod. I now have like, 13gb worth of cc and I don't get lag, but if I play with no cc and no simulation fix mod then I get the lag. Makes no sense to me- not to mention that then I have to deal with a lot of bugs and questionable 'features' like getting calls at 3am, weird outfits, washing dishes in the bathroom, prepping food in the bathroom, and a whole lot more that mods fix for me.

besides, making mods is fun too. If you generally know what you're doing then you don't mess up the game with mods. But there's things, like multi-use lot traits, that mods can't do.

"DreamaDove;c-16808780" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808766" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808609" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808077" wrote:
No - too much like work. They need to offer that stuff in each world as I don't like playing a game where I have to jump through hoops to do it. It is why I don't use CC or modes during a developing game. Not worth the hassle of doing anything not part of the games mechanics when a patch is just going to mess things up sooner or later. First of all homes need 8 players and not 4 on each side with locked doors and you still having to heavy hand them going into their own places with out pitching fits. Deal with enough real life fits in real life - don't need it in my game.

Not allowing renting in world but CL really messes up the money and perception of even living in an apartment because they are not recognized as separate households. If you spend a lot of money on one apt - and nothing on the other the whole house pays. That is not right nor am I willing to sit there and try to keep all that straight. There is no way you can truly keep those families separate with out 100 percent constant juggling and pretending something exists that does not. It needs to be a part of that world or it needs not faked - at least for me it is like that. I just hate hassles.

Okay, you do you, but the option should be there for the rest of us who would use these features.

Lots are boring right now. I really wish we had a system like ts2's.

This game just makes no sense to me anymore. No bowling alleys or arcades...can't give my museum a small gift shop. Can't have a movie dine out.

It's just... what's the point of so much stuff if sims don't use it

...
Every time you use a debug cheat - like moo or build cheats it sets you gae up for instability as debug cheat have always had a history of those kinds of problem.
...

Oh wow, you don't even use moo???? wow.

Well that's.... that's just not the game I want to the play. I find ts4 boring and ugly without cc and cheats. Ts4 should be about giving us the control that we want to do things our way, and that includes how we set up lots. It'd certainly introduce bugs and glitches but if the team was better at coding play tested better before releasing a pack a lot of that could be avoid. I don't think that dumbing the game down is an effective way to solve the bugs issue since it almost makes it not fun for a lot of us. And if a game is not fun it doesn't sell well.

I still don't get it though since for the first couple months I played ts4 I did not even know about custom content or cheats and I would get massive lag where all my sims would stop what they're doing for a while until their actions loaded and they'd continue again. It was creepy and did not stop until i started using mods, specifically the Simulation Fix mod.

No - moo is one of the worse that can turn on you when you least expect it. It was designed for use with boolprop in Sims 2 and a dev cheat as well as powerful debug tool. Sims 2 had a lot of warnings about using it outside of it's reset feature that it used to have. The grab tool was powerful - but leaving it on any length of time could even mess up all your games. Require a uninstall, reinstall in Sims 2 because of it was a nightmare as Sims 2 had to go back in order among other things - not in order how you bought it - but order as each pack came out. But because of all that tool did people didn't listen and used it anyway.Floor constraints were another no-no people used - they call them cheats and they are not.

When Sims 3 came out and no boolprop control MOO lost a lot of it's ability - but still had things people liked about it so Maxis did make it available but warned people not to leave it on. Place something and shut it off. Over time it still developed issues. I once spent 8 months of my own time helping a simmer who had built a gorgeous world in CAW removing every single bit of mooed building and decorated yards in the game that turned her lovely world into mush and made it unusable - as moo give no warning when it goes poof.

So I well know how nice you can fix up things with moo but I also know well the damage it can do eventually. You can still see the warning of using the tool in the old Sims 2 SimsWiki if you find the right post. They had to do a lot to it to even get it to work in Sims 4 and it still causes issues especially with Gallery downloads - I know so I no longer ever download any gallery design that uses it or sooner or later it creates issues. I can't stand issues.

"Writin_Reg;c-16808797" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808780" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808766" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808609" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808077" wrote:
No - too much like work. They need to offer that stuff in each world as I don't like playing a game where I have to jump through hoops to do it. It is why I don't use CC or modes during a developing game. Not worth the hassle of doing anything not part of the games mechanics when a patch is just going to mess things up sooner or later. First of all homes need 8 players and not 4 on each side with locked doors and you still having to heavy hand them going into their own places with out pitching fits. Deal with enough real life fits in real life - don't need it in my game.

Not allowing renting in world but CL really messes up the money and perception of even living in an apartment because they are not recognized as separate households. If you spend a lot of money on one apt - and nothing on the other the whole house pays. That is not right nor am I willing to sit there and try to keep all that straight. There is no way you can truly keep those families separate with out 100 percent constant juggling and pretending something exists that does not. It needs to be a part of that world or it needs not faked - at least for me it is like that. I just hate hassles.

Okay, you do you, but the option should be there for the rest of us who would use these features.

Lots are boring right now. I really wish we had a system like ts2's.

This game just makes no sense to me anymore. No bowling alleys or arcades...can't give my museum a small gift shop. Can't have a movie dine out.

It's just... what's the point of so much stuff if sims don't use it

...
Every time you use a debug cheat - like moo or build cheats it sets you gae up for instability as debug cheat have always had a history of those kinds of problem.
...

Oh wow, you don't even use moo???? wow.

Well that's.... that's just not the game I want to the play. I find ts4 boring and ugly without cc and cheats. Ts4 should be about giving us the control that we want to do things our way, and that includes how we set up lots. It'd certainly introduce bugs and glitches but if the team was better at coding play tested better before releasing a pack a lot of that could be avoid. I don't think that dumbing the game down is an effective way to solve the bugs issue since it almost makes it not fun for a lot of us. And if a game is not fun it doesn't sell well.

I still don't get it though since for the first couple months I played ts4 I did not even know about custom content or cheats and I would get massive lag where all my sims would stop what they're doing for a while until their actions loaded and they'd continue again. It was creepy and did not stop until i started using mods, specifically the Simulation Fix mod.

No - moo is one of the worse that can turn on you when you least expect it. It was designed for use with boolprop in Sims 2 and a dev cheat as well as powerful debug tool. Sims 2 had a lot of warning about using it outside of it's reset feature that it used to have. The grab tool was powerful - but leaving it on any length of time could even mess up all your games. Require a uninstall, reinstall in Sims 2 because of it was a nightmare as Sims 2 had to go back in order among other thing - not in order how you bought it - but order as each pack came out. But because of all that tool did people didn't listen and used it anyway.Floor constraints were another no-no people used - they call them cheats and they are not.

When Sims 3 came out and no boolprop control MOO lost a lot of it's ability - but still had things people liked about it so Maxis did make it available but warned people not to leave it on. Place something and shut it off. Over time it still developed issues. I once spent 8 month od my own time helping a simmer who had built a world in CAW removing every single bit of mooed building and decorated yards in the game that turned her lovely world into mush and made it unusable - as moo give no warning when it goes poof.

So I well know how nice you can fix up thing with moo but i also know well the damage it can do eventually.

but.... this is the Sims 4... is the team so incompetent they keep making the same mistakes?

no need to bring up the earlier iterations, though these had vast and dynamic gameplay. Ts4 doesn't really have that, so it needs to at least look pretty lol

"DreamaDove;c-16808809" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808797" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808780" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808766" wrote:

"DreamaDove;c-16808609" wrote:

"Writin_Reg;c-16808077" wrote:
No - too much like work. They need to offer that stuff in each world as I don't like playing a game where I have to jump through hoops to do it. It is why I don't use CC or modes during a developing game. Not worth the hassle of doing anything not part of the games mechanics when a patch is just going to mess things up sooner or later. First of all homes need 8 players and not 4 on each side with locked doors and you still having to heavy hand them going into their own places with out pitching fits. Deal with enough real life fits in real life - don't need it in my game.

Not allowing renting in world but CL really messes up the money and perception of even living in an apartment because they are not recognized as separate households. If you spend a lot of money on one apt - and nothing on the other the whole house pays. That is not right nor am I willing to sit there and try to keep all that straight. There is no way you can truly keep those families separate with out 100 percent constant juggling and pretending something exists that does not. It needs to be a part of that world or it needs not faked - at least for me it is like that. I just hate hassles.

Okay, you do you, but the option should be there for the rest of us who would use these features.

Lots are boring right now. I really wish we had a system like ts2's.

This game just makes no sense to me anymore. No bowling alleys or arcades...can't give my museum a small gift shop. Can't have a movie dine out.

It's just... what's the point of so much stuff if sims don't use it

...
Every time you use a debug cheat - like moo or build cheats it sets you gae up for instability as debug cheat have always had a history of those kinds of problem.
...

Oh wow, you don't even use moo???? wow.

Well that's.... that's just not the game I want to the play. I find ts4 boring and ugly without cc and cheats. Ts4 should be about giving us the control that we want to do things our way, and that includes how we set up lots. It'd certainly introduce bugs and glitches but if the team was better at coding play tested better before releasing a pack a lot of that could be avoid. I don't think that dumbing the game down is an effective way to solve the bugs issue since it almost makes it not fun for a lot of us. And if a game is not fun it doesn't sell well.

I still don't get it though since for the first couple months I played ts4 I did not even know about custom content or cheats and I would get massive lag where all my sims would stop what they're doing for a while until their actions loaded and they'd continue again. It was creepy and did not stop until i started using mods, specifically the Simulation Fix mod.

No - moo is one of the worse that can turn on you when you least expect it. It was designed for use with boolprop in Sims 2 and a dev cheat as well as powerful debug tool. Sims 2 had a lot of warning about using it outside of it's reset feature that it used to have. The grab tool was powerful - but leaving it on any length of time could even mess up all your games. Require a uninstall, reinstall in Sims 2 because of it was a nightmare as Sims 2 had to go back in order among other thing - not in order how you bought it - but order as each pack came out. But because of all that tool did people didn't listen and used it anyway.Floor constraints were another no-no people used - they call them cheats and they are not.

When Sims 3 came out and no boolprop control MOO lost a lot of it's ability - but still had things people liked about it so Maxis did make it available but warned people not to leave it on. Place something and shut it off. Over time it still developed issues. I once spent 8 month od my own time helping a simmer who had built a world in CAW removing every single bit of mooed building and decorated yards in the game that turned her lovely world into mush and made it unusable - as moo give no warning when it goes poof.

So I well know how nice you can fix up thing with moo but i also know well the damage it can do eventually.

but.... this is the Sims 4... is the team so incompetent they keep making the same mistakes?

no need to bring up the earlier iterations, though these had vast and dynamic gameplay. Ts4 doesn't really have that, so it needs to at least look pretty lol

It is not incompetence - of the team - those tools were designed for building the game not for people to use in their game. That is why they are Dev tools and why they are for their use - not ours. We are the incompetant ones for using dev tools and calling them cheats. We also do not listen when we use them the warnings they give us about turning them off. The game mechanics are seeing the game in repair or test mode not play mode - they know this and use them as designed - we don't as often you hear I never turn it off or worse turn it on before you place a building is just nuts. But every one does it and sooner or later it will create issues you can't just fix by removing it.

The only thing that fixes it is a complete reinstall and a brand new game and no content added to your game that used it. Not many people will listen to that so the issues eventually comeback. Saves will carry the affect. Whether in a save game or even from the gallery. But don't blame devs who use it right for what it ws designed for to players who like the look and convenience and break their own games. Dev tools are made for devs. Game cheats are usable by user like reset sim. Like motherlode. Like Free realestate. Those are cheats not dev tools or debug tools. Debug anything is not really designed for user use either - lots of people use debug placement and debug content because it is easier than getting it using the game mechanics and earning the ones you should get. They call it the debug cheat - it's not.

It is necessary to bring up when you are using a part of the same tool with half it's control not even used in the game mechanics any more. I f it did not matter I would not bring it up. I know what I went through helping people with what it did to Sims 3 as well. I did not have too but I choose to help my friends fix all their hard work.

By the way types of lag and hesitation, and certain jump bugs (like people call the teleport jump in Sims 4) are all signs of moo acting up. I n Sims 3 it also cause stuck sims as badly as broken routing caused the same issue seeing moo broke routing. Sims 4 has smart routing so instead of breaking it - they walk through things they shouldn't or teleport some where else. Just to add it is not as dangerous as in Sims 2, and not as disruptive as in Sims 3 - but it is also still troublesome in particular when used in any sims path or anywhere they have to interact with - like some counter, some shelves - etc. It is presently in it's least disruptive state yet - but it still can create issues. I will never use anything that creates issues in my gmae - but because of it - I don't get many issues at least I don't get issues not every one get. LIke I get the stinky leaf piles so it is an actual bug in the game. I did get the freezing sims near gyms that was a bug since fixed - well it is fixed in my game. That is what I mean.

"bizuktag;c-16798954" wrote:

Of course, it's never ever going to happen, because letting people build apartments anywhere would practically invalidate one of the major selling points of City Living.

How about making it possible to build appartments everywhere only if you own CL ?



As for multiple use lots, yes please !! The 64x64 lots would be great for a mall or a supermarket if we could have one.

"Dianesims;c-16808880" wrote:

"bizuktag;c-16798954" wrote:

Of course, it's never ever going to happen, because letting people build apartments anywhere would practically invalidate one of the major selling points of City Living.

How about making it possible to build appartments everywhere only if you own CL ?



As for multiple use lots, yes please !! The 64x64 lots would be great for a mall or a supermarket if we could have one.

They would have to enact that in each world they allowed it as technically you can't rent anything outside of a vacation town or CL - plus they need the rules associated to operate the rental programming in the worlds and the forms approved for rental incorporated into each world via probably only base game. That would need a rewrite/recode. I really wish it would happen. It makes no sense not to have rentals and apartments in all worlds to me. Or at least offer us a new style for just this world - they could do that like how they did rental in cl and rentals in the vacation worlds with out adding to base.

I'd love to at least see rooming houses or even those townhouses - they are nice, too bad they can't work as they should.