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I know for a fact, I'm not the only one starting to see this and or feel this way. While representation in a game is important and makes people feel included into a realm of gaming, isn't it just another form of gameplay? Hear me out about that.

While the game franchise has included all types of gamers such as builders, story tellers, cc creators, script modders, and those who play to play the game, rather than tell a story, isn't representation (Simself) also a form of gameplay?

Not many people I have known in the past twenty years in the Simming Community play their Simselves. Some of us find that type of gameplay too close for comfort, after all it would be weird for the deviant player I might be sometimes, to aggravate my Simself, and or my parent or my siblings etc. But how I play sometimes (deviant) is just another way to play.

Isn't representation just another way to play, too? It's starting to seem like that is the only type of gaming that is getting much special attention. If you look back over the last few years, that community that requires a great deal of content and attention seem to be getting very special attention and content much more often and special Twitch videos and patches, and updates, etc. etc.

What other groups are you promoting in special patches, and updates and live videos etc.? None that I have seen in the past few years.

You may think it's odd I would write this feedback, but really take a good hard look, what other types of events, parades, diversity, (diversity of thought matters, too, not just skin types) have you been working on, and or trying to bring to the game that has nothing at all to do with gender neutral pronouns and or the LGBTQ community or diverse skin tones? I'm really perplexed by all the special attention some seem to get in content while other type players don't seem to be heard at all. Which other types of classes of people are you planning to celebrate every year and flood with special patches and updates and celebrate all the time? Many others are starting to feel excluded from any special patches and or updates and or left out altogether. I'm not being flipped, I'm being real. Just ask anyone on the street.","body@stringLength":"2728","rawBody":"Each time I read some news about this game (TS4) and or even a newer, future game, I read a lot about how important it is to have diversity and representation. Yes, I would agree. However, Maxis, do you even realize how much time and effort you are putting into TS4 to make the LBGTQ community happy? It's almost to the point that every update or news and or new patch or whatever it may be, is all about the community and all others ignored.

I know for a fact, I'm not the only one starting to see this and or feel this way. While representation in a game is important and makes people feel included into a realm of gaming, isn't it just another form of gameplay? Hear me out about that.

While the game franchise has included all types of gamers such as builders, story tellers, cc creators, script modders, and those who play to play the game, rather than tell a story, isn't representation (Simself) also a form of gameplay?

Not many people I have known in the past twenty years in the Simming Community play their Simselves. Some of us find that type of gameplay too close for comfort, after all it would be weird for the deviant player I might be sometimes, to aggravate my Simself, and or my parent or my siblings etc. But how I play sometimes (deviant) is just another way to play.

Isn't representation just another way to play, too? It's starting to seem like that is the only type of gaming that is getting much special attention. If you look back over the last few years, that community that requires a great deal of content and attention seem to be getting very special attention and content much more often and special Twitch videos and patches, and updates, etc. etc.

What other groups are you promoting in special patches, and updates and live videos etc.? None that I have seen in the past few years.

You may think it's odd I would write this feedback, but really take a good hard look, what other types of events, parades, diversity, (diversity of thought matters, too, not just skin types) have you been working on, and or trying to bring to the game that has nothing at all to do with gender neutral pronouns and or the LGBTQ community or diverse skin tones? I'm really perplexed by all the special attention some seem to get in content while other type players don't seem to be heard at all. Which other types of classes of people are you planning to celebrate every year and flood with special patches and updates and celebrate all the time? Many others are starting to feel excluded from any special patches and or updates and or left out altogether. I'm not being flipped, I'm being real. 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\"EliteGirl;c-17894871\" wrote:
If autism is to be portrayed in the game, PLEASE don’t make all the autism spectrum Sim nonverbal and flapping their hands, making noises. Everyone on the autism spectrum is different, from severe to mild. There are a lot of mild verbal autistic people too, just so you know. And people with autism have different likes and dislikes when it comes to interests and have different strengths and weaknesses. As someone who has mild autism who is verbal, I know from experience. No two people with autism are the same personality wise and interest wise. And no two people with autism are the same, strength and weakness wise. What I am trying to say is if autism is to be portrayed in the game, it needs to be portrayed correctly.


I would love autism to be included. Perhaps the vampire template could be used as that has different strength and weakness choices.

I mean no offence when I suggest whether it could work better in CAS or as an in game selection.


Vampire template? How do you see this work if I may ask?
Will a sim have the ability to “rank up” on the autism spectrum?

I feel that Parenthood’s character value system would be more suitable for something like this: a child’s position on the character value spectrum depends entirely on that child’s behavior. However...

I mean no offense either but in my opinion RL “disorders” have no place in this silly game. C’mon folks it’s always been a silly game and it should officially stay that way. I say “officially” because asking Maxis to use resources on this kind of stuff just takes away from what the Sims is: it’s comedy. Sure, it’s “Play With Life” but in a sort of comical way, right? Using a comical game to represent very serious matters in life will just lead to potentially offensive in-game scenarios and half the community being upset. That’s why EA will never add this. Don’t even dream about it.

The name of the “insane” trait was changed to “erratic” because apparently the original word was too hurtful concerning people with mental health issues. And let’s not even talk about bugs & glitches. The poor baby icon not reflecting the actual skintone of the live mode baby already caused an uproar. The drama. The drama. I’m glad it’s fixed. ??‍♂️

If representation of RL illnesses and disorders is something folks really really feel they need it’s best to buy a pc and learn how to mod or request a modder to create this. That’s what the modding community is for: to add pure realism and whatever else outrageous stuff we want that has no place in this game. Believe me, I have it all over my own game and unless it’s a bodyhair menu I will never dare ask Maxis to officially add most of the realistic stuff that I have in my crazy Sims 4. I’d rather them work on a werewolf pack or cars and motorbikes (I know, vehicles are kinda realistic ?) but that’s just me.

I believe by getting more traits that we can combine within a balanced emotion system, we should be able to create very unique Sims with qualities that may or may not seem like they have mental disabilities and/ or mental health issues etc. but only if that’s what the player imagines it to be. If we get the tools, we should be creative and imaginative enough to play whatever and however we want e.g. my paranoid sim = social anxiety sim.

Representation doesn’t always need to be literally written all over the game. Inclusivity = Tools! Tools! Tools! I can’t say this often enough.

Right now adding any significant trait is pretty useless unless the entire traits and emotion system is re-worked. I’m glad to see the team re-develop personality aspects by adding sentiments and likes and dislikes, but keeping that ridiculous happy happy emotion at bay, implementing an attraction system and having more meaningful relationships between Sims (especially those who dislike each other) takes in my opinion priority: This game needs to work at the very core first and foremost and it’s all in the Ai. These so called smart Sims need to be just a teeny bit smarter than they currently are...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T11:58:28.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T11:58:28.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633172","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633173":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633173","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633173":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:135415"},"id":"message:1633173","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633173,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633173"},"body":"
\"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17895205\" wrote:
\"ncisGibbs02;c-17895073\" wrote:
\"EliteGirl;c-17894871\" wrote:
If autism is to be portrayed in the game, PLEASE don’t make all the autism spectrum Sim nonverbal and flapping their hands, making noises. Everyone on the autism spectrum is different, from severe to mild. There are a lot of mild verbal autistic people too, just so you know. And people with autism have different likes and dislikes when it comes to interests and have different strengths and weaknesses. As someone who has mild autism who is verbal, I know from experience. No two people with autism are the same personality wise and interest wise. And no two people with autism are the same, strength and weakness wise. What I am trying to say is if autism is to be portrayed in the game, it needs to be portrayed correctly.


I would love autism to be included. Perhaps the vampire template could be used as that has different strength and weakness choices.

I mean no offence when I suggest whether it could work better in CAS or as an in game selection.


Vampire template? How do you see this work if I may ask?
Will a sim have the ability to “rank up” on the autism spectrum?

I feel that Parenthood’s character value system would be more suitable for something like this: a child’s position on the character value spectrum depends entirely on that child’s behavior. However...

I mean no offense either but in my opinion RL “disorders” have no place in this silly game. C’mon folks it’s always been a silly game and it should officially stay that way. I say “officially” because asking Maxis to use resources on this kind of stuff just takes away from what the Sims is: it’s comedy. Sure, it’s “Play With Life” but in a sort of comical way, right? Using a comical game to represent very serious matters in life will just lead to potentially offensive in-game scenarios and half the community being upset. That’s why EA will never add this. Don’t even dream about it.

The name of the “insane” trait was changed to “erratic” because apparently the original word was too hurtful concerning people with mental health issues. And let’s not even talk about bugs & glitches. The poor baby icon not reflecting the actual skintone of the live mode baby already caused an uproar. The drama. The drama. I’m glad it’s fixed. ??‍♂️

If representation of RL illnesses and disorders is something folks really really feel they need it’s best to buy a pc and learn how to mod or request a modder to create this. That’s what the modding community is for: to add pure realism and whatever else outrageous stuff we want that has no place in this game. Believe me, I have it all over my own game and unless it’s a bodyhair menu I will never dare ask Maxis to officially add most of the realistic stuff that I have in my crazy Sims 4. I’d rather them work on a werewolf pack or cars and motorbikes (I know, vehicles are kinda realistic ?) but that’s just me.

I believe by getting more traits that we can combine within a balanced emotion system, we should be able to create very unique Sims with qualities that may or may not seem like they have mental disabilities and/ or mental health issues etc. but only if that’s what the player imagines it to be. If we get the tools, we should be creative and imaginative enough to play whatever and however we want e.g. my paranoid sim = social anxiety sim.

Representation doesn’t always need to be literally written all over the game. Inclusivity = Tools! Tools! Tools! I can’t say this often enough.

Right now adding any significant trait is pretty useless unless the entire traits and emotion system is re-worked. I’m glad to see the team re-develop personality aspects by adding sentiments and likes and dislikes, but keeping that ridiculous happy happy emotion at bay, implementing an attraction system and having more meaningful relationships between Sims (especially those who dislike each other) takes in my opinion priority: This game needs to work at the very core first and foremost and it’s all in the Ai. These so called smart Sims need to be just a teeny bit smarter than they currently are...


It's much easier to pander.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T12:34:29.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T12:34:29.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633173","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":20,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:62665":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:62665","uid":62665,"login":"Magdaleena96","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-25T13:51:40.000+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1721239524000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:62665"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633174":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633174","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633174":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:62665"},"id":"message:1633174","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633174,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633174"},"body":"
\"MyriadSims;c-17889905\" wrote:
\"Cinebar;c-17889444\" wrote:

How is non flirty supposed to be about LGBTQ? Can't people be flirty with the person of their choice rather than have to be non flirty in order not to stray from being gay or lesbian? But if that is true and was meant to satisfy a request from the LGBTQ community, then that also reaffirms all the promotional efforts Maxis has been doing over these past seven years and not a word about the disabled and or anyone else of any type of religion practice and or belief other than the scarf for fluff.


Aromanticism/As*xuality.

Sure some can just not want a romantic/s**ual partnership but i find the trait to suit Aro/Ace people

As an actual aromantic/asexual person, I don't really like to spend an entire trait slot on unflirty. That's 33% of a sim's three trait slots, it's kind of a lot? Besides, most of us still like hugs. Sims with the unflirty trait don't even like to do that.

Honestly, the lifestyle \"single and loving it\" feels much more accurate to my experience... at least if I use cheats to add it to a sim.


\"CAPTAIN_NXR7;c-17892133\" wrote:
Question for those who hang these Pride flags in their sim’s home: do Sims get a special “Pride” buff from them? Or does it work like any other decor? I’m curious.

Nope, no buffs! They're simply decor. Great for storytelling purposes, though!


\"LeGardePourpre;c-17895222\" wrote:


The Gender Preference is banned but there are Rainbow flags.
The Religion is banned but there are Jewish, Christian and Muslim content.

Why don't they add USA flags in the game ? Can't the sims be proud to be Americans ?


- Gender preference isn't banned. Yes, there is no way in-game to make your sims have a specific gender preference, but you can still decide who they are, and show who they are through the use of flag decor. Storytelling! (Besides, I don't remember seeing them ever saying they would never add specific gender preferences?)

- While they didn't want to add in religions SPECIFICALLY, it still influences cultures and aesthetics. That's what's in the game. They only made a point to not make a specific way to actively practice the religions, although clubs and holidays can be a way to sneak this into the game anyway.

- If they added USA flags, they should add every country flag. There are more than a hundred countries. So... let's not. Just use CC for that.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T13:15:45.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T13:15:45.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633174","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633175":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633175","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633175":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:62665"},"id":"message:1633175","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633175,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633175"},"body":"
\"LeGardePourpre;c-17895283\" wrote:
@Magdaleena

Gender preference is banned because the game change our stories.
For example the NPC townies start a straight romance with your sims no matter what you do but it never starts a gay/lesbian romance.

Rainbow flags and religious stuff are also available as CC, just we should use them !


Fair points.

Honestly I never expected them to add lgbtq+ flags into the actual basegame either, but I appreciate the inclusion.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T14:06:35.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T14:06:35.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633175","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:207046":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:207046","uid":207046,"login":"Feestbloempje","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2019-05-25T17:27:50.919+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1721239509000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:207046"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633176":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633176","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633176":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:207046"},"id":"message:1633176","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633176,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633176"},"body":"@LeGardePourpre Gender preference isn't banned, it just wasn't programed the way you like. Apparently there is some kind of preference slider, but it's invisible and it's influenced by the actions you take in game. If your sims don't romance a lot, they're just going to stay bi.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T14:15:48.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T14:15:48.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633176","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633177":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633177","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633177":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:135415"},"id":"message:1633177","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633177,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633177"},"body":"
\"LeGardePourpre;c-17895222\" wrote:
\"@Cinebar;c-17895185\" wrote:
I mean did gay guys suddenly become bi and not want to be called a he?


The Gender Preference is banned but there are Rainbow flags.
The Religion is banned but there are Jewish, Christian and Muslim content.

Why don't they add USA flags in the game ? Can't the sims be proud to be Americans ?



I'm sorry LeGarde but there is nothing Christian in this game at all. A tree is not a christian symbol. It's secular. Even gay and lesbian people know these Sims are bi and if they happen across a flirty Sim the game sometimes turns their gay or lesbian Sims into bi. It does the same for straight Sims, too. As myself and many others have complained about for years.

Maybe Simlish should be the only written text in the game at all. That would end all the offenses to anyone, wouldn't it? I don't like when games advertise stuff like real life logos. Like the one \"it's own us\", that was political but we can't be.

Or a coke can or McDonald's sign etc. All that should be up to a player to get from cc if they want it. Or back in TS2 with the H&M signs for the stores...or the other type stores they had in TS3 and other stuff they put in TS4. Simlish probably is the lesser of two evils and should be the text on any ad or t-shirt. (Less political causes players have to celebrate because Maxis does). What I mean is Simlish would be less political on any ad or t-shirt or flag etc. and players wouldn't have to feel how unfair it is for Maxis to be political but then they can't even refer to it.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T14:43:01.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T14:43:01.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633177","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:72799":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:72799","uid":72799,"login":"mklamb56","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2020-03-25T17:20:14.188Z"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1721239543000"},"rank":null,"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:72799"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633178":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633178","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633178":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:72799"},"id":"message:1633178","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633178,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633178"},"body":"I can’t express my frustration enough.

People on this thread keep bringing up “but I don’t want my female sims to suddenly stop being addressed as female!”

Well I don’t want that either!

I would like to be directed to the person who thinks that the best choice of action is to delete gender choice entirely, as you keep implying there is.

In my opinion that is a straw man argument with no basis in reality, used to vilify those of us that want the ability to create non-binary sims.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T14:51:15.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T14:51:15.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633178","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633179":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633179","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633179":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:135415"},"id":"message:1633179","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633179,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633179"},"body":"
\"BookBear;c-17895313\" wrote:
I can’t express my frustration enough.

People on this thread keep bringing up “but I don’t want my female sims to suddenly stop being addressed as female!”

Well I don’t want that either!

I would like to be directed to the person who thinks that the best choice of action is to delete gender choice entirely, as you keep implying there is.

In my opinion that is a straw man argument with no basis in reality, used to vilify those of us that want the ability to create non-binary sims.


Did you see the other thread showing a picture of the new likes and dislikes feature? The Sim is painting a picture. The text about the Sim states they like jada jada jada...They (Maxis) did (again) a blanket referral to the Sim as they rather than the choice of the player to set their own Sim's pronoun preference. And I can't go into a lot of things in this thread but no, there is no strawman argument.
But really should all Sims be referred to as they or them? No. And there 'seems' to be an effort by Maxis just to go ahead and blanket all Sims as such, recently. It's huge thread showing another pic of Maxis just going ahead and calling any Sim they concerning any likes or dislikes and the text about those things.

I'm Not trying to vilify you or anyone else. I'm stating with so much attention the LGBTQ community when will others get their content..never. So, Simself is not really about representation (especially since it's done so badly) and why it should have never been the motto these past few years. Because like so many other things about TS4 it has failed.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T14:58:36.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T14:58:36.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633179","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:192472":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:192472","uid":192472,"login":"filipomel","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2014-08-15T21:11:41.582+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1721239524000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:192472"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633180":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633180","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633180":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:192472"},"id":"message:1633180","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633180,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633180"},"body":"This thread is honestly making me uncomfortable, representation isn't an \"us vs them\" deal. The way some are describing the situation is like \"groups of people are not being represented in favour of the LGBTQ+ and other ethnic groups, focus less on these people and more on those people.\" That's what I'm getting from this thread and it's kind of gross. Representation isn't a battle, especially when talking about diverse groups of people who, to this day, STILL have to battle for proper representation.

Representation is very important but it's not a debate, everyone is valid and everyone deserves to be represented. A lot of the debates going on in this thread come across as very dismissive, and if inclusion, diversity and representation is the goal here then perhaps we need to do a better job of avoiding that.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2021-05-29T15:03:34.000+01:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-05-29T15:03:34.000+01:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:the-sims-4-en/category:the-sims-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en/message:1633041/message:1633180","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:30714":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:30714","uid":30714,"login":"Simburian","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-06-05T19:27:27.000+01:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/custom/sims_43-1735829385565.jpg?time=1735829398000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:30714"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633181":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1633181","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1633181":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:30714"},"id":"message:1633181","revisionNum":1,"uid":1633181,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:the-sims-4-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1633041"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1633041"},"subject":"Re: Maxis, I Want To Talk To You About Representation.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1633181"},"body":"
\"BookBear;c-17895313\" wrote:
I can’t express my frustration enough.

People on this thread keep bringing up “but I don’t want my female sims to suddenly stop being addressed as female!”

Well I don’t want that either!

I would like to be directed to the person who thinks that the best choice of action is to delete gender choice entirely, as you keep implying there is.

In my opinion that is a straw man argument with no basis in reality, used to vilify those of us that want the ability to create non-binary sims.


Don't you have to work at making your Sim non-binary in game and, from \"The Sims\"(2001) on, the game makes them non-binary depending on who they first talk to in-game? In the original Sims it was something you had to be careful about if you wanted a binary Sim. My empty houses get filled up by non-binaries now from the Gallery when I create the lots too. They also download a lot of highly diverse Sim families into them.

I really don't know what they can do about the pronouns. 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