Potential return of Wants and Fears in High School Years

I was decidedly on the "no, it's just misleading marketing" train until I rewatched the clip and he very specifically says "it's time to face your fear of people judging you," and then the stress on "getting what you WANT." Let's just put it this way, if this ISN'T a sign these are coming back, this is the most misleading ad of all time.

I will scream with joy if they reveal wants and fears on the livestream tomorrow! That is the main feature from Sims 2 that I wanted back! It adds dimension and challenge to the game and if done correctly which means tying them to your sims' traits and aspirations and contextual moments providing them as well. This this will be an absolute GAME CHANGER!!! PLEASE DON'T LET US DOWN SIMS TEAM!!!

this would be my dream come true!

As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

"DaWaterRat;c-18148292" wrote:
As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

I'm a big Sims 2 fan and still play it. The Sims 2 is the model. It's not concerning to me that people expect Sims 2 as the standard because it is the standard. It will be judged based on that.

Also the Aspirations and Wants/Fears are not the same and the systems should reference each other. The aspiration category (Romance, Friendship, Family, etc.) drives the core wants and fears rolled. Same with traits and personality. Otherwise, the Wants and Fears are completely generic for every Sim.

"simmerorigin;c-18148300" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18148292" wrote:
As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

I'm a big Sims 2 fan and still play it. The Sims 2 is the model. It's not concerning to me that people expect Sims 2 as the standard because it is the standard. It will be judged based on that.

Also the Aspirations and Wants/Fears are not the same and the systems should reference each other. The aspiration category (Romance, Friendship, Family, etc.) drives the core wants and fears rolled.

That's not quite my point. The Aspirations work differently, the categories are less broad and there are more of them. Expecting Wants and Fears to work with Aspirations the way they did in Sims 2 is likely setting yourself up for disappointment. Because the Aspiration System is different, the way Wants and Fears are generated based on Aspirations will likely be different.

Some Aspiration groups are suitably narrow that having Wants/Fears based on Aspiration families will make sense (Animal, Fortune, Culinary) Others are so broad based it will make less sense - for example, Knowledge. A sim with the Master Spellcaster aspiration getting a want to ... build a Rocket doesn't really support their Aspiration, and is likely to be out of character. A sim with the Musician Aspiration likewise shouldn't get a fear of being grabbed by the Fabricator - it's a ridiculously easy fear to avoid, especially if there's no fabricator in the house.

"DaWaterRat;c-18148313" wrote:

"simmerorigin;c-18148300" wrote:

"DaWaterRat;c-18148292" wrote:
As someone who didn't play Sims 2, my biggest concern is that people are going to be expecting Sims 2 Wants and Fears to be grafted onto Sims 4 Aspirations, and - at least from what I understand - that's not going to work the way people want it to.

The idea itself does seem interesting, and I know the sims team will have tried their best to work as much as they could in, but the AI is only so smart.

I'm a big Sims 2 fan and still play it. The Sims 2 is the model. It's not concerning to me that people expect Sims 2 as the standard because it is the standard. It will be judged based on that.

Also the Aspirations and Wants/Fears are not the same and the systems should reference each other. The aspiration category (Romance, Friendship, Family, etc.) drives the core wants and fears rolled.

That's not quite my point. The Aspirations work differently, the categories are less broad and there are more of them. Expecting Wants and Fears to work with Aspirations the way they did in Sims 2 is likely setting yourself up for disappointment. Because the Aspiration System is different, the way Wants and Fears are generated based on Aspirations will likely be different.

Some Aspiration groups are suitably narrow that having Wants/Fears based on Aspiration families will make sense (Animal, Fortune, Culinary) Others are so broad based it will make less sense - for example, Knowledge. A sim with the Master Spellcaster aspiration getting a want to ... build a Rocket doesn't really support their Aspiration, and is likely to be out of character. A sim with the Musician Aspiration likewise shouldn't get a fear of being grabbed by the Fabricator - it's a ridiculously easy fear to avoid, especially if there's no fabricator in the house.

It's true that the aspirations are narrow. So for more specificity, the Wants and Fears should have some more relevance based on the specific aspiration. This doesn't seem like an unreasonable request. The main tedious part is creating enough meaningful wants and fears and then bucketing them so that they have a greater probability of showing up based on the aspirations and traits of your sim.

I wonder if the wants are replacing the whims. I am looking forward to find out more during the live stream tomorrow.

might be just moodlets for this trait specifically

Couldn't they just put the wants and fears with the likes/dislikes allowing us to pick which things they want and fear? That was my first thought anyways.