I wonder if this pack is worth getting if not into werevolves?I don't mind NPC werewolves living in that world, but would it work using most of those lots as regular residential lots? Will the werewolf theme be too intruding? I like the grunge esthetics, but I don't want all my 400 sims to suddenly grow heavy body hair (especially not the infants, lol).Is there any features with this pack that is a positive asset to sims living regular lives in other worlds? Any negative effects I should be aware of?I think my computer might prefer med adding a GP rather than a EP because it means less resources required, and I'm pretty desperate for a new world :) I don't own Growing together either, but I fear that pack will affect my game more heavily, with lag etc, and I'm not really into detailed family play anyway.Can the werewolf pack be compared to Vampires? Occult if you want it, but a small world that can be used regardless of the theme if you like the world setting?

The werewolf world is perfectly usable but you will see werewolves in moonwood mill. You can change all lot types and build whatever you like. If you keep the bar lot type, other occults will also spawn when you visit the bar. In the world there are two werewolf hangout spots where werewolves will gather so you will see them. You can turn off werewolves for all other worlds so the pack is absolutely not intrusive. But moonwood mill is occult terrain. You could set the moon phase to be permanent new moon or any other moon fase that is not full moon. That way you can avoid full moon werewolf rampages. Rampage due to temperaments can't be avoided. Perhaps you could cheat the temperaments on existing werewolves. You could give them the 4 positive blue temperament so they don't build fury. Carl has a mod that makes this easier if you don't like typing cheat codes. I don't know any features outside off the werewolves that can be used. Perhaps the collectibles but I don't know how successful a non-werewolf is in collecting them. On the bright side there are no intrusive features to disrupt your game. The only other thing that came in the pack is a small telescope but that was patched into base game. I wish they would followed the same principle for the infant changing table. Werewolves is totally unrelated to body hair. Body hair wasn't even in the game when werewolves was released. Body hair came with high school years and that's the pack that makes body hair grow. I have the werewolves pack but not high school years. New sims in CAS occasionally get body hair but it does not grow in live mode. Newly generated spellcasters in CAS get an insane amount of scars, so having to remove them in CAS is a small downside.As for the comparison with growing together: the world is bigger but only the neighbourhood with the community centre has fishing spots, swimmable water and walking paths. The rest feels rather empty with very few walk by Sims. Moonwood mill feels more alive. On the gameplay side is growing together more intrusive with social chemistry, family dynamics, self discovery moments, midlife crisises and npc's inviting themselves over for sleepovers. I like it but it is one of those packs you will notice in regular gameplay. The only game mechanics you can turn off are self discovery moments and sims getting fired from work. Also infants are more difficult to play with growing together because they don't start with the ability to crawl and sit in a high chair like they do without the pack.As for the comparison to vampires, I think they are very similar. You don't have to interact with the werewolves but they are there. You will notice werewolves a bit more in their own world but you can force them to act human in every other world.

For me I feel like no I wouldn't get this pack if I had no interest in playing occult/werewolvesor seeing them aroundits pretty world but theres only 5 lots in it and theres not much to do besides werewolves and occult lore stuffalso there is rather many woodsy worlds in the game to pick from for non occult means so :sweat_smile: the wolves can be little annoying on community lots since sims react to sims in wolf formthere is toggle to disable them turning wolf out of moonwood but its for out of moonwood so yeah community lots in moonwood would still probably be chaoticwhen on residential lot in moonwood its similar to the forgotten hollow in that you'll just probably see some walkby wolves going around the place similar to how caleb and lilith be always running around FHI don't think sims be suddenly growing body hair or stuff like that thotheres some build buy and cas that can be used for grunge purposes n such but not a whole lot

When I first bought The Werewolf pack, it was just for the world and I did not play as a werewolf. I also did not play as a teen. But the teen werewolf rag to riches challenges inspired me to stretch myself out of my comfort zone. Werewolves are the only occult I have played so far. The other occult world I still just use for the worlds. If I can buy them on sale, all worlds are worth it for me to buy even if I don't use the gameplay included.Little by little, I keep stretching myself to start including bits of things from all the packs. I had no interest in the fame stuff and still am shy of it, but when I learned that Ward Park in Get Famous is a $0 lot when it is bulldozed, I was inspired to use all $0 building ideas to have a truly $0 lot. I am playing a rags to riches child alone on Del Sol Valley, and as I play here, NOT yet using any of the fame features, I can see how eventually I might want to start exploring the gameplay that was designed for this world that I am starting to love. But not yet. I am content to just use the world.If you can afford it, I think you will enjoy importing your established gameplay into Moonwood Mills. You may or may not gradually choose to get sucked into some of the gameplay.Visiting a world is not the same as living in it. I can see that now. I am doing the opposite of you. Moonwood Mill remains my default world to start, but I am stretching myself to start in other worlds.In Moonwood Mills, I always set my moon cycle to 4 days, because if you swim in the lake on a full moon, your energy fills in a couple seconds, and you get a whole day without needing sleep. Those extra hours are a real bonus to work on skills and aspirations. I love using small lot near the lake to start. I move the starter house on it to the larger lot in the center of the town and improve it and add a garden.Moonwood Mills is my favorite world. I visit it even when I am living in another world. I have the small residential lot near the lake set up as a campground, and visiting sims can use everything on the lot. I put the treehouse and a camping bathroom there. And the Jungle Adventures selling table that keeps food and fish cold.Everyone complains about the gameplay in the Wedding Pack, but I use the WORLD not the gameplay and Tartosa is my second favorite world. I have another campground set up there. I bulldozed the house on the little island.My goal is to live on every one of the lots in the these videos, and for now to build some sort of camping/homeless encampment on each one. There is a LOT of overlap in these videos. The first two videos are very short and just list the cheapest lots that were available in 2021. The last video is longer and is the "best" lots and includes Tartosa, Moonwood Mills and the Highschool pack. The last video includes my favorite Moonwood Mills lot almost at the end of the video, and also my favorite Highschool years lot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpjK8JTtVHw https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NOy6ZsfA32chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqLzuvrsGwo&t=2sYes, the Werewolves pack is worth it even if you don't play the werewolves.

Wow! Thanks for in depth comments and lots of gaming ideas! Loved reading them all, awesome!I might have only residential lots in Moonwood Mills, but it sounds fun with one community camp ground lot. Even if I won't focus on the occult, at least not from the start, I might have a teen club visiting and exploring (based on the guy featured in my video below), and perhaps in the long run werewolves might get accepted in my game. I will have a Baron's manor there, maybe he should get bitten at some point, but that is not something I'll do right away. I simply need more lots for existing houses, and the world looks quite nice. I think it will fit well with my Crafthole region, basically built on mining, but there could of course be timber activity too. I wanted Copperfield for this, but I hesitate with all the Social Bunny and "be my friend" stuff, plus I hardly focus on teens anyway.

If you really like Moonwood Mill, it can be possible to play it without Werewolves. Also, I've actually learned not to long ago, that if you temperary make a Super Werewolf (that's a Werewolf with most of the powers), that sim can actually defeat permanently Greg. As for the Moonwood Townies, I'm not sure.On another note, I do recommend the following woodsy Worlds that aren't locked with the Wolfies. They are:Henford (Cottage Living)Glimmerbrook (Realm of Magic)

Werewolves pack - features when you don't play werewolves?

Katofhyrule12
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
"Simmerville;c-18284380" wrote:

So, wasted efforts, now I need to do it all over again... argh!

I am so sorry that you have had such a frustrating start to your new pack! The longer that I use the EA app the more familiar I have become about its quirks on my computer. Windows does not always work the same on different hardware, and then the EA app needs to try to work on all the possible combinations of Windows and graphics cards. Windows has its own bugs and it is sometimes the source of the problem. Add into that my TWO graphics cards and all their issues. I am not defending the EA app! I am just saying that it gets easier to play the game when you get used to it.

Keep us updated!
Simmerville
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
"maggiemae8135;c-18284408" wrote:
@Simmerville, I sympathize with you as that has happened a few times to me as well. Now I try to remember to save during the game, or after completing certain things when I am building. It is very frustrating when you spend all that time completing thing you want to do and then lose it! Wishing you luck that the crashes stop for you! @Katofhyrule12, I agree that Windows is part of the problem. Hoping my grandson can figure out the best build for a new computer that will play all of my games well.

Thanks, both! Worst is that I suspect that it is not actually the crashing of the app that caused the game to crash, but the 2 popup windows that the app insists on showing me to tell me that the app had it's "temporarily lost contact" issue. I was in the operation of clicking on stuff while that event lagged my game, and I think my clicking before I realized the app was preparing its 2 popups (they take some time to launch obviously), helped the crash. I wish those popups could rather be coded to stay behind my gaming window, not insisting on showing in front of everything. That's what makes them extremely annoying, regardless of game crashing or not. I'm used to the app crashing btw, it happens after a while (1 hr?) every gaming session. I have no problem with app losing contact at I *always* play offline anyway. When it crashes I normally just keep playing and everything works fine. I'll be better at saving more often, for sure. Thankfully I did not lose any building, only some furnishing and decor - everything is now fixed.
Katofhyrule12
Seasoned Novice
2 years ago
Pop ups and online connections definitely cause problems for me. Especially non-EA popups from Windows or a graphics card. Windows is my biggest problem right now, and I expect it to get worse. I disabled the Edge browser because it would not stop trying to take over my computer and the next update broke Windows. I had to reinstall Windows entirely to fix it. Microsoft is doing some new stuff and I do not dare try to stop them this time. I am not going to win this fight. I just constantly click out of everything that pops up.

Software developers are not allowed to discuss what they know about the changes in Windows. When we are blaming them for what Windows is doing, they cannot defend themselves. I think we are going to need to give EA the benefit of the doubt that they are not our enemy and instead co-victims. I think over the next few years, we will be squeezed out of playing games the way we love to play them. I am enjoying this for as long as I can, and on the way to the end, I am not going to lay the blame on EA. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think they are the cause of the EA app
s problems. Could they work even harder to make it work no matter what Microsoft does? Maybe. But ... at what point are they allowed some slack? I don't know the answers to these questions. I am just going to play the best that I can, and leave the answers to these questions to people smarter than me.

I save constantly. I close all software and restart my computer a couple times a day. I make back up copies of my entire Sims 4 folder every couple days.
Simmerville
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
"Katofhyrule12;c-18284652" wrote:
Pop ups and online connections definitely cause problems for me. Especially non-EA popups from Windows or a graphics card. Windows is my biggest problem right now, and I expect it to get worse. I disabled the Edge browser because it would not stop trying to take over my computer and the next update broke Windows. I had to reinstall Windows entirely to fix it. Microsoft is doing some new stuff and I do not dare try to stop them this time. I am not going to win this fight. I just constantly click out of everything that pops up.

Software developers are not allowed to discuss what they know about the changes in Windows. When we are blaming them for what Windows is doing, they cannot defend themselves. I think we are going to need to give EA the benefit of the doubt that they are not our enemy and instead co-victims. I think over the next few years, we will be squeezed out of playing games the way we love to play them. I am enjoying this for as long as I can, and on the way to the end, I am not going to lay the blame on EA. Maybe I am wrong, but I don't think they are the cause of the EA app
s problems. Could they work even harder to make it work no matter what Microsoft does? Maybe. But ... at what point are they allowed some slack? I don't know the answers to these questions. I am just going to play the best that I can, and leave the answers to these questions to people smarter than me.

I save constantly. I close all software and restart my computer a couple times a day. I make back up copies of my entire Sims 4 folder every couple days.

I'm on Win8.1 including the promise that there won't be more Win updates. But I agree, there are lots of mechanics needing to work together in a computer, and not always obvious what causes a given problem. Never have general problems with my Win 8.1 though, and I don't expect to be affected but the "new things" to come from them. I have turned off a lot of Win background activities that takes up resources when I want as good performance as possible, like the constant indexing of folder content in case I want to open a folder and should get a better "user experience". With the feature turned off it takes a few seconds to see the content in the bigger folders, but I could not care less. There are plenty of background activities, I wish we could choose when they shall run, or at least if they had a set hour they did their job, and that I knew their schedule. I accept that some software want files from my pc, but I'd appreciate to decide (or know) when to share them. It would help a lot on performance, especially when recording videos.
Simmerville
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Back on topic - I'm now busy adjusting my Moonwood Mill :) I have fun, I think the world is very good, and I don't regret getting it. I find it a tad dark when building, but no big deal. I have not explored the werewolf features quite yet, but has just started checking the new UI. I understand each werewolf has 4 temperaments, and I think I like how they work. Yesterday I realized the fury that builds, and I really worry for the actions that probably must be taken once the fury gets full...

The entire hood is owned by a Count, 4 lots by the county's Trust, the last one by the Count privately, at the moment is it let to a renter. The Count and his family resides at the largest lot (ex bar), and there is a detailed back story that I posted on my blog yesterday. It was fun building a high nobility estate based more on rustic timber/nature themes, rather than damask/gold themes. Greg is the Count's late father's grand-uncle.

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The interesting part about this household though, is their live-in Cook - Lily Zhu! The Count and Countess have no idea that their servant is a werewolf, I can't wait to see how long this will be possible. Will she fight them once her fury gets full? Will se bite them, too? I would not mind having a Count who is secretly a werewolf, but I will go with the flow rather than decide these things :)

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Just started to play the old guy who rents "Moonwood House" (the originally empty lot, owned privately by the Count). He is married, and they are expecting a baby just before wife gets too old. It was fun watching them during the Welcome wagon, not knowing that several guests at their table were werewolves :) I never had such a big group visiting, the Count and Countess with Cook and a relative boy came, but then also Kristopher Volkov appeared. It all went fine, but I noticed there will be full moon the next night I play them...

Today I'll turn the Library into a Moonwood Center, will mostly keep the building as is, but it will include a bar, a library nook and a section with woodworking tables as a hint to the closed town industry. Hopefully something more. The Mill was operated by the former Count, by the way.

The Collective will stay for now, Kristopher rents from the Count, so I must make a renting deal for them. The smaller lot (used to have a vacant house) is now a forest campground, where I will send adventurous teenagers to stay in a tent while exploring the forest at night - looking so much forward to this :)

More pictures on my blog.

Adding: Here is Moonwood House, once built by the current Count's grand-aunt Lady Sylvina, now rented by a couple from Tartosa.

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Lady Sylvina was obsessed with pureness and fairness, so most textures are white or grey, in contrast to the dark feel of the wood. The yellow-ish shed might be home to a horse, some day... Hopefully werewolves won't attack a horse...
JestTru
Seasoned Newcomer
2 years ago
Body Hair growth came with the high school pack and you can turn it off.

I use this world for camping. I made one of the lots by the lake a park lot for camping with items from the pack and outdoor retreat and that kids kit pack. It beats having to go to Granite Falls since your sims can swim in the lake. It's also where you catch the Luna fish.

I haven't noticed an increase of werewolves in my game. The only thing that bothers me is that those who are werewolves, which so far is just the premades and the npc, are always in there werewolf form when I go to a public lot during the day regardless of what world I'm in. I get annoyed with it because some of my sims will get that annoying frightened moodlet.

Otherwise I enjoy this pack just on the BB and CAS alone. Plus I have one Sim that I wanted to be a werewolf for one of my Sim story gameplays.
Simmerville
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
"Monet11;c-18285012" wrote:

"Simmerville;c-18284706" wrote:
Back on topic - I'm now busy adjusting my Moonwood Mill :) I have fun, I think the world is very good, and I don't regret getting it. I find it a tad dark when building, but no big deal. - snip

Is the world dark? I am thinking of getting it while it's on sale, but I don't like dark worlds.

It's darker than Willow Creek and it's likes, but the place is a long gone industrial area, and it is supposed to feel a bit less bright mainly because of the werewolf theme, I guess. It's still a very good world, in my opinion, it feels very well planned and developed, and I love exploring it. It is quite small, but actually feels like bigger then just one hood. I really like it, and it's easy to accept and get used to the tad darker environment. So far werewolves did not bother my locals, not even during full moon.
Monet11
New Spectator
2 years ago

"Simmerville;c-18285563" wrote:
"Monet11;c-18285012" wrote:

"Simmerville;c-18284706" wrote:
Back on topic - I'm now busy adjusting my Moonwood Mill :) I have fun, I think the world is very good, and I don't regret getting it. I find it a tad dark when building, but no big deal. - snip

Is the world dark? I am thinking of getting it while it's on sale, but I don't like dark worlds.

It's darker than Willow Creek and it's likes, but the place is a long gone industrial area, and it is supposed to feel a bit less bright mainly because of the werewolf theme, I guess. It's still a very good world, in my opinion, it feels very well planned and developed, and I love exploring it. It is quite small, but actually feels like bigger then just one hood. I really like it, and it's easy to accept and get used to the tad darker environment. So far werewolves did not bother my locals, not even during full moon.

This is helpful. I am only interested in it for the world. Not that I won't use anything else from the pack, but I am not interested in the theme. Every time it goes on sale, I have this internal debate as to whether I should get it. I probably should so I can go on and have some other conversation with myself. lol
mightyspritesims
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
@JestTru There is a toggle in gameplay options to turn off werewolf forms outside Moonwood Mill.
Monet11
New Spectator
2 years ago

I have decided to place Moonwood Mill adjacent to Copperdale. They feel similar to me. This screenshot has inspired me to write a little short story. I have not yet decided to have werewolves. I am using a mod to keep them under control for now.
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