\"simlotte;c-16437670\" wrote:

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437580\" wrote:
Where as Sims 4 not being able to have toggles - plus the issues where worlds we already have can't be changed with gameplay features without breaking saves - then I ask myself how would they incorporate Seasons anyway with us being unable to control weather and with out it breaking all our saves if we wanted to in any way change weather in various worlds ? Add to that the fact early on a dev/engineer said they would not make self contained worlds with just a single season like they made in Sims 1. Weighing all this info together and trying to deduct what is left - I see my most hated probability is game controlled weather via fx overlays with programming for the feel of the weather in sims to react a certain way when each season is looped into - like acting cold when winter is activate, hot when summer is, etc, etc - but even though things may look fantastic for a few days if the weather is nothing but over lays like modders already can make - I have to wonder about interactions with the sims - as Sims characters do not interact to fx -.It would be just like sims never see the fx cars, boats, the trolley, trains, airplanes, fx animals or insects - it is why they don't get excited to see the Showboat or kids get happy to see butterflies or trains or the chipmunk running around in the forest of OR - It is in reality like humans looking at a green screen when a movie is being made about monsters attacking.

How can anyone say weather makes the game more realistic? When it is just more fx fakeness. I don't see the festivals like we had in Sims 3 - but if we get them at all it will be a limited quick event like in CL, and if you blink you'll miss it.

I don't know - maybe we might have been better off wanting Sims 1 kind of seasonal additions to the game instead of expecting Sims 4 to deliver Sims 2 or 3 weather when it's smart technology engine seems to put such limits on events of any kind - never mind the fact we cannot do a single thing to make festivals different - it's always the same thing over and over - where we as players have zero control and creativity.

For the first time ever - as much as many of you seem to have to have Sims 4 Seasons - I already feel down about being pretty sure that is what is coming as the next ep and already so aware of what that means - It will be all great and new for a few days - and then it will quickly become one of those things that begin to feel more annoying and repetitive that we can't control or change one iota.

I really wish people might have wanted something else with more play value and where we at least have some control - as I am not at all a fan of visual effects outside of movies - because a game should be us doing thing, interacting and controlling the game when it is a sandbox game like the sims - not a projected movie of events where we - the players are stuck just watching the game play out itself. Might as well go watch a movie.

Needless to say - Seasons in Sims 4 is not something I look forward to - I really wanted a pack I could actually play the game in - not watch it like CL is. I fear that is what we will get.

I agree with everything you say! I just still have some hope left. Maybe it will be all we hoped for.
Or maybe it's going to be just as it has been with CaD. Everything is a little stale, shallow. So seasons is going to be as well. But if we had wished for something else, we would have run into the same problem.

\"simlotte;c-16437670\" wrote:

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437580\" wrote:
Where as Sims 4 not being able to have toggles - plus the issues where worlds we already have can't be changed with gameplay features without breaking saves - then I ask myself how would they incorporate Seasons anyway with us being unable to control weather and with out it breaking all our saves if we wanted to in any way change weather in various worlds ? Add to that the fact early on a dev/engineer said they would not make self contained worlds with just a single season like they made in Sims 1. Weighing all this info together and trying to deduct what is left - I see my most hated probability is game controlled weather via fx overlays with programming for the feel of the weather in sims to react a certain way when each season is looped into - like acting cold when winter is activate, hot when summer is, etc, etc - but even though things may look fantastic for a few days if the weather is nothing but over lays like modders already can make - I have to wonder about interactions with the sims - as Sims characters do not interact to fx -.It would be just like sims never see the fx cars, boats, the trolley, trains, airplanes, fx animals or insects - it is why they don't get excited to see the Showboat or kids get happy to see butterflies or trains or the chipmunk running around in the forest of OR - It is in reality like humans looking at a green screen when a movie is being made about monsters attacking.

How can anyone say weather makes the game more realistic? When it is just more fx fakeness. I don't see the festivals like we had in Sims 3 - but if we get them at all it will be a limited quick event like in CL, and if you blink you'll miss it.

I don't know - maybe we might have been better off wanting Sims 1 kind of seasonal additions to the game instead of expecting Sims 4 to deliver Sims 2 or 3 weather when it's smart technology engine seems to put such limits on events of any kind - never mind the fact we cannot do a single thing to make festivals different - it's always the same thing over and over - where we as players have zero control and creativity.

For the first time ever - as much as many of you seem to have to have Sims 4 Seasons - I already feel down about being pretty sure that is what is coming as the next ep and already so aware of what that means - It will be all great and new for a few days - and then it will quickly become one of those things that begin to feel more annoying and repetitive that we can't control or change one iota.

I really wish people might have wanted something else with more play value and where we at least have some control - as I am not at all a fan of visual effects outside of movies - because a game should be us doing thing, interacting and controlling the game when it is a sandbox game like the sims - not a projected movie of events where we - the players are stuck just watching the game play out itself. Might as well go watch a movie.

Needless to say - Seasons in Sims 4 is not something I look forward to - I really wanted a pack I could actually play the game in - not watch it like CL is. I fear that is what we will get.

I agree with everything you say! I just still have some hope left. Maybe it will be all we hoped for.
Or maybe it's going to be just as it has been with CaD. Everything is a little stale, shallow. So seasons is going to be as well. But if we had wished for something else, we would have run into the same problem.

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437850\" wrote:

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

But that is not going to happen if they cannot make sims 4 have toggles or apply changes to worlds we already have without breaking saves - that means it will have to be pre-programmed on a weather loop kind of thing not to break our saves - and that would include all the seasons if we cannot turn individual seasons off or on with a toggle or limit or lengthen days of each with same.

The devs have stated this before - even recently that only they can tune activities on their end - and we saw how well that went when they tuned down on alien abductions - they stopped period - so they turn them back on finally. They had to not tune down the vamps as some players wanted because those of us who bought the pack for the full vamp experience went bonkers after what they did to aliens - so they announced they will not touch the vamps and gave us back the alien abduction.

Smart technology engine design itself takes control from the player and apparently the devs as well once the game is completed - and it is not forgiving when anyone attempts to mess with it's final finished product. On this system - control is not ours that is pretty clear. At least not thus far anyway.

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437850\" wrote:

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

But that is not going to happen if they cannot make sims 4 have toggles or apply changes to worlds we already have without breaking saves - that means it will have to be pre-programmed on a weather loop kind of thing not to break our saves - and that would include all the seasons if we cannot turn individual seasons off or on with a toggle or limit or lengthen days of each with same.

The devs have stated this before - even recently that only they can tune activities on their end - and we saw how well that went when they tuned down on alien abductions - they stopped period - so they turn them back on finally. They had to not tune down the vamps as some players wanted because those of us who bought the pack for the full vamp experience went bonkers after what they did to aliens - so they announced they will not touch the vamps and gave us back the alien abduction.

Smart technology engine design itself takes control from the player and apparently the devs as well once the game is completed - and it is not forgiving when anyone attempts to mess with it's final finished product. On this system - control is not ours that is pretty clear. At least not thus far anyway.

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437863\" wrote:

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437850\" wrote:

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

But that is not going to happen if they cannot make sims 4 have toggles or apply changes to worlds we already have without breaking saves - that means it will have to be pre-programmed on a weather loop kind of thing not to break our saves - and that would include all the seasons if we cannot turn individual seasons off or on with a toggle or limit or lengthen days of each with same.

The devs have stated this before - even recently that only they can tune activities on their end - and we saw how well that went when they tuned down on alien abductions - they stopped period - so they turn them back on finally. They had to not tune down the vamps as some players wanted because those of us who bought the pack for the full vamp experience went bonkers after what they did to aliens - so they announced they will not touch the vamps and gave us back the alien abduction.

Smart technology engine design itself takes control from the player and apparently the devs as well once the game is completed - and it is not forgiving when anyone attempts to mess with it's final finished product. On this system - control is not ours that is pretty clear. At least not thus far anyway.

That may or may not be true, we won't know until it comes out. We can turn autonomy on and off for various Sims. We can turn aging on and off. We can add lot traits on and off at a whim. Wouldn't surprise me if we could turn the weather on and off or adjust it in some way, as it tends to just be special effects anyway. Quite frankly, they should have options for weather anyways because it's such a performance hog. It should have a bit more priority than alien abductions in that respect.

But we'll see.

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437863\" wrote:

\"Writin_Reg;c-16437850\" wrote:

\"TheGoodOldGamer;c-16437778\" wrote:
I don't get my expectations up to super high levels. I want them to make what they want to make. Then in livestreams and reviews I'll see if I want it or not.

Too often I see people get all upset or disappointed if their imaginary packs didn't become reality. I'd rather just take reality for what it is and go from there. :)

All I want is for the weather in seasons to be adjustable. Anything beyond that is a bonus.

But that is not going to happen if they cannot make sims 4 have toggles or apply changes to worlds we already have without breaking saves - that means it will have to be pre-programmed on a weather loop kind of thing not to break our saves - and that would include all the seasons if we cannot turn individual seasons off or on with a toggle or limit or lengthen days of each with same.

The devs have stated this before - even recently that only they can tune activities on their end - and we saw how well that went when they tuned down on alien abductions - they stopped period - so they turn them back on finally. They had to not tune down the vamps as some players wanted because those of us who bought the pack for the full vamp experience went bonkers after what they did to aliens - so they announced they will not touch the vamps and gave us back the alien abduction.

Smart technology engine design itself takes control from the player and apparently the devs as well once the game is completed - and it is not forgiving when anyone attempts to mess with it's final finished product. On this system - control is not ours that is pretty clear. At least not thus far anyway.

That may or may not be true, we won't know until it comes out. We can turn autonomy on and off for various Sims. We can turn aging on and off. We can add lot traits on and off at a whim. Wouldn't surprise me if we could turn the weather on and off or adjust it in some way, as it tends to just be special effects anyway. Quite frankly, they should have options for weather anyways because it's such a performance hog. It should have a bit more priority than alien abductions in that respect.

But we'll see.