SimGuryLyndsey Addresses Skintones

"Justin;c-17612234" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612146" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612035" wrote:

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611973" wrote:
OK kids, I'm done. I said what I said, and you can have a tantrum about it right on this forum if you'd like.

I am playing The Sims, and enjoying it, and unlike all of you, I don't feel the need to cry about everything I don't have in the game every two seconds or spam the team on Twitter just to get what I want. I just hope that they recognize when it's a legitimate complaint, and when they can put all of you on ignore. Twitter has too much power over things right now, and it's not right for them to constantly treat it like it's the voice of every person who plays this game. That's it.

We all now by now it’s only a one way streets when it comes to this group & the consequences you may face if you don’t give in to their demands

I own all sims 4 packs. That costs nearly $700 and its climbing. Asking them not to ignore people who feel excluded, in a time where they are themselves saying that POC matter and that they will do all they can do include us, is not asking too much.

EA has nothing to lose by honoring its fan base . And the weird thing is , what do you have to lose by POC being listened to?

I also own all packs & been playing since the start. And there has been so many things I wish I could of seen in the game but I don’t go spamming on their posts & twitter page etc and demanding what I want. Instead what I do like some of us simmers is come on here asking kindly & give great constructive ideas here on the forums but yet not be heard. How is that okay in anyway? Why only give in to this group? Because again we all know the consequences & that’s why I don’t think we should be acknowledging & rewarding this kind of behavior. At the end of the day this is a game . You can’t expect any and every game to represent everyone . Are you not going to play a game because the character is already pre made? Especially if it’s the opposite gender of you? This is a simulator I understand that but you can’t expect it to represent everyone especially when there’s just too much diversity in the world & cant expect it to be “perfect”. There are far more important things that I believe they should improve on. I can make the perfect sim that looks like me but yet the personality & emotion/traits is nothing like me. We still have babies as objects. A lot of simmers have been asking for them to do more. But again, no one listens to us because it’s a one way street. & the sad part is the one time we can put clothing on our object babies is behind a paywall on knitting but not added to the base game.

They are making their voices heard and offering the much needed criticism that is necessary for the game to improve and be a good experience for everyone, not just some. I become very frustrated when creating sims that resemble darker skinned people because there is a lack of vibrancy to the skintones for darker sims. That is not something people should simply be quiet about.

"This group" is black and POC players who just want to fill their sims worlds with a multitude of ethnicities and and have some of them ashy and not as nice as their lighter counterparts. The "group" that is more concerning to me is the one that is in opposition to people having better representation that suits them. Saying that this game can not represent everyone is literally a slap in the face really. The game already has very minimal hairstyles that are catered to Kinkier hair types. And you're saying thats okay and people should just go quietly? Heck no.

Whats "far more important" to you , may not be "far more important" to someone else. The point is, players are allowed to voice their concerns and speak about what they want from this game.

"Justin;c-17612254" wrote:

"LiELF;c-17612246" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17612232" wrote:

"LiELF;c-17612220" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17612039" wrote:

"SERVERFRA;c-17612027" wrote:
How come the devs don't listen to what we want when we mention it in the forum?

Because one guru said we on the forum are toxic so our voice don't matter.

Oh my god. No. He said, somewhere in the depths of the internet, on a personal account that had nothing to do with EA or Maxis, that all forums are "trash". He obviously doesn't like forums, period.

Someone dug up the statement and smeared it online for everyone to get offended over. It's not a big deal. Many forums are toxic. That's probably why he never posted here to begin with, as far as I know. I mean, look at how easily people freak out over game stuff and get all riled and offended on here, and this forum is much more tightly moderated than most others. I can't say I blame him.

But he still said it..I don't care if it was on a personal account...it sure as heck don't make me feel good hearing that.
Not to mention the gurus hardly interact with the forums so...

Exactly. And that's why. Look at how you interpreted his statement, by adding, "So our voice don't matter", which is not at all what he said. The same Guru, in fact, interacted a lot with players on Twitter before he changed his job and moved off of Sims 4. And he was always very straightforward with his answers and admitted when they'd made blunders or mistakes, as far as I could tell.

I think the reason the devs interact more on Twitter is because for one, it's one of the most popular social media sites, and also, because there are no walls of text to get through that takes too much time to read. They can scan questions and statements quickly and answer them more promptly.

Anyway, this is getting off topic, my apologies.

Why does the sims have a forum if they’re hardly going to acknowledge it in the first place? we might as well all be moved to Twitter where we can probably have a better chance of our ideas to be heard. This is their forum that they created & we have many tabs where we can give ideas etc but yet aren’t listened or acknowledged in. I don’t understand that

Some of them do come here, sometimes. I've had some conversations and I've seen different Gurus step in here and there. But I think it's just the natural evolution of social media. I think many devs do read a fair share of posts when they have the time, even if they don't reply, but honestly, how many forum threads are they going to be able to read, how many posts in those threads, while still having time to work on the game? Some of these threads go on and on with lots of text, it would be very time consuming to reply to them.

If anything, they have to pick and choose what to look at and probably only read the first few posts unless they find the thread particularly important. But they do come around, even if it's just to quietly absorb.

"Sim_Architects;c-17612266" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612234" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612146" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612035" wrote:

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611973" wrote:
OK kids, I'm done. I said what I said, and you can have a tantrum about it right on this forum if you'd like.

I am playing The Sims, and enjoying it, and unlike all of you, I don't feel the need to cry about everything I don't have in the game every two seconds or spam the team on Twitter just to get what I want. I just hope that they recognize when it's a legitimate complaint, and when they can put all of you on ignore. Twitter has too much power over things right now, and it's not right for them to constantly treat it like it's the voice of every person who plays this game. That's it.

We all now by now it’s only a one way streets when it comes to this group & the consequences you may face if you don’t give in to their demands

I own all sims 4 packs. That costs nearly $700 and its climbing. Asking them not to ignore people who feel excluded, in a time where they are themselves saying that POC matter and that they will do all they can do include us, is not asking too much.

EA has nothing to lose by honoring its fan base . And the weird thing is , what do you have to lose by POC being listened to?

I also own all packs & been playing since the start. And there has been so many things I wish I could of seen in the game but I don’t go spamming on their posts & twitter page etc and demanding what I want. Instead what I do like some of us simmers is come on here asking kindly & give great constructive ideas here on the forums but yet not be heard. How is that okay in anyway? Why only give in to this group? Because again we all know the consequences & that’s why I don’t think we should be acknowledging & rewarding this kind of behavior. At the end of the day this is a game . You can’t expect any and every game to represent everyone . Are you not going to play a game because the character is already pre made? Especially if it’s the opposite gender of you? This is a simulator I understand that but you can’t expect it to represent everyone especially when there’s just too much diversity in the world & cant expect it to be “perfect”. There are far more important things that I believe they should improve on. I can make the perfect sim that looks like me but yet the personality & emotion/traits is nothing like me. We still have babies as objects. A lot of simmers have been asking for them to do more. But again, no one listens to us because it’s a one way street. & the sad part is the one time we can put clothing on our object babies is behind a paywall on knitting but not added to the base game.

They are making their voices heard and offering the much needed criticism that is necessary for the game to improve and be a good experience for everyone, not just some. I become very frustrated when creating sims that resemble darker skinned people because there is a lack of vibrancy to the skintones for darker sims. That is not something people should simply be quiet about.

"This group" is black and POC players who just want to fill their sims worlds with a multitude of ethnicities and and have some of them ashy and not as nice as their lighter counterparts. The "group" that is more concerning to me is the one that is in opposition to people having better representation that suits them. Saying that this game can not represent everyone is literally a slap in the face really. The game already has very minimal hairstyles that are catered to Kinkier hair types. And you're saying thats okay and people should just go quietly? Heck no.

What "far more important" to you , may not be "far more important" to someone else. The point is, players are allowed to voice their concerns and speak about what they want from this game.

I won’t call it criticisms but I also won’t continue to go back and forth but where did I say that they should go quietly? It’s one thing to ask but the problem is That they are constantly spamming every single post & demanding things but yet other people’s ideas & wants that have been kindly asked for years have been ignored. They are the problem with the world right now & it’s sad to see other companies give in because of the consequences.

"Justin;c-17612277" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612266" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612234" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612146" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612035" wrote:

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611973" wrote:
OK kids, I'm done. I said what I said, and you can have a tantrum about it right on this forum if you'd like.

I am playing The Sims, and enjoying it, and unlike all of you, I don't feel the need to cry about everything I don't have in the game every two seconds or spam the team on Twitter just to get what I want. I just hope that they recognize when it's a legitimate complaint, and when they can put all of you on ignore. Twitter has too much power over things right now, and it's not right for them to constantly treat it like it's the voice of every person who plays this game. That's it.

We all now by now it’s only a one way streets when it comes to this group & the consequences you may face if you don’t give in to their demands

I own all sims 4 packs. That costs nearly $700 and its climbing. Asking them not to ignore people who feel excluded, in a time where they are themselves saying that POC matter and that they will do all they can do include us, is not asking too much.

EA has nothing to lose by honoring its fan base . And the weird thing is , what do you have to lose by POC being listened to?

I also own all packs & been playing since the start. And there has been so many things I wish I could of seen in the game but I don’t go spamming on their posts & twitter page etc and demanding what I want. Instead what I do like some of us simmers is come on here asking kindly & give great constructive ideas here on the forums but yet not be heard. How is that okay in anyway? Why only give in to this group? Because again we all know the consequences & that’s why I don’t think we should be acknowledging & rewarding this kind of behavior. At the end of the day this is a game . You can’t expect any and every game to represent everyone . Are you not going to play a game because the character is already pre made? Especially if it’s the opposite gender of you? This is a simulator I understand that but you can’t expect it to represent everyone especially when there’s just too much diversity in the world & cant expect it to be “perfect”. There are far more important things that I believe they should improve on. I can make the perfect sim that looks like me but yet the personality & emotion/traits is nothing like me. We still have babies as objects. A lot of simmers have been asking for them to do more. But again, no one listens to us because it’s a one way street. & the sad part is the one time we can put clothing on our object babies is behind a paywall on knitting but not added to the base game.

They are making their voices heard and offering the much needed criticism that is necessary for the game to improve and be a good experience for everyone, not just some. I become very frustrated when creating sims that resemble darker skinned people because there is a lack of vibrancy to the skintones for darker sims. That is not something people should simply be quiet about.

"This group" is black and POC players who just want to fill their sims worlds with a multitude of ethnicities and and have some of them ashy and not as nice as their lighter counterparts. The "group" that is more concerning to me is the one that is in opposition to people having better representation that suits them. Saying that this game can not represent everyone is literally a slap in the face really. The game already has very minimal hairstyles that are catered to Kinkier hair types. And you're saying thats okay and people should just go quietly? Heck no.

What "far more important" to you , may not be "far more important" to someone else. The point is, players are allowed to voice their concerns and speak about what they want from this game.

I won’t call it criticisms but I also won’t continue to go back and forth but where did I say that they should go quietly? It’s one thing to ask but the problem is That they are constantly spamming every single post & demanding things but yet other people’s ideas & wants that have been kindly asked for years have been ignored. They are the problem with the world right now & it’s sad to see other companies give in because of the consequences.

Apparently , all that asking calmly and not causing a fuss gets you, is...ignored ;)

"LiELF;c-17612267" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612254" wrote:

"LiELF;c-17612246" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17612232" wrote:

"LiELF;c-17612220" wrote:

"KaeChan2089;c-17612039" wrote:

"SERVERFRA;c-17612027" wrote:
How come the devs don't listen to what we want when we mention it in the forum?

Because one guru said we on the forum are toxic so our voice don't matter.

Oh my god. No. He said, somewhere in the depths of the internet, on a personal account that had nothing to do with EA or Maxis, that all forums are "trash". He obviously doesn't like forums, period.

Someone dug up the statement and smeared it online for everyone to get offended over. It's not a big deal. Many forums are toxic. That's probably why he never posted here to begin with, as far as I know. I mean, look at how easily people freak out over game stuff and get all riled and offended on here, and this forum is much more tightly moderated than most others. I can't say I blame him.

But he still said it..I don't care if it was on a personal account...it sure as heck don't make me feel good hearing that.
Not to mention the gurus hardly interact with the forums so...

Exactly. And that's why. Look at how you interpreted his statement, by adding, "So our voice don't matter", which is not at all what he said. The same Guru, in fact, interacted a lot with players on Twitter before he changed his job and moved off of Sims 4. And he was always very straightforward with his answers and admitted when they'd made blunders or mistakes, as far as I could tell.

I think the reason the devs interact more on Twitter is because for one, it's one of the most popular social media sites, and also, because there are no walls of text to get through that takes too much time to read. They can scan questions and statements quickly and answer them more promptly.

Anyway, this is getting off topic, my apologies.

Why does the sims have a forum if they’re hardly going to acknowledge it in the first place? we might as well all be moved to Twitter where we can probably have a better chance of our ideas to be heard. This is their forum that they created & we have many tabs where we can give ideas etc but yet aren’t listened or acknowledged in. I don’t understand that

Some of them do come here, sometimes. I've had some conversations and I've seen different Gurus step in here and there. But I think it's just the natural evolution of social media. I think many devs do read a fair share of posts when they have the time, even if they don't reply, but honestly, how many forum threads are they going to be able to read, how many posts in those threads, while still having time to work on the game? Some of these threads go on and on with lots of text, it would be very time consuming to reply to them.

If anything, they have to pick and choose what to look at and probably only read the first few posts unless they find the thread particularly important. But they do come around, even if it's just to quietly absorb.

I see your point. But this is their forum that they created. They can always create a different forum where it’s easier for them to read simmers post etc or have us all moved to a Twitter page where we can give feedback If that’s going to be their validation for not interacting & acknowledging us here. Again, there are a lot do great ideas here that you simmers have & it’s sad to not see it acknowledged like it should be. In my opinion , I feel like we are excluded here from every other platform .

"Sim_Architects;c-17612279" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612277" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612266" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612234" wrote:

"Sim_Architects;c-17612146" wrote:

"Justin;c-17612035" wrote:

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611973" wrote:
OK kids, I'm done. I said what I said, and you can have a tantrum about it right on this forum if you'd like.

I am playing The Sims, and enjoying it, and unlike all of you, I don't feel the need to cry about everything I don't have in the game every two seconds or spam the team on Twitter just to get what I want. I just hope that they recognize when it's a legitimate complaint, and when they can put all of you on ignore. Twitter has too much power over things right now, and it's not right for them to constantly treat it like it's the voice of every person who plays this game. That's it.

We all now by now it’s only a one way streets when it comes to this group & the consequences you may face if you don’t give in to their demands

I own all sims 4 packs. That costs nearly $700 and its climbing. Asking them not to ignore people who feel excluded, in a time where they are themselves saying that POC matter and that they will do all they can do include us, is not asking too much.

EA has nothing to lose by honoring its fan base . And the weird thing is , what do you have to lose by POC being listened to?

I also own all packs & been playing since the start. And there has been so many things I wish I could of seen in the game but I don’t go spamming on their posts & twitter page etc and demanding what I want. Instead what I do like some of us simmers is come on here asking kindly & give great constructive ideas here on the forums but yet not be heard. How is that okay in anyway? Why only give in to this group? Because again we all know the consequences & that’s why I don’t think we should be acknowledging & rewarding this kind of behavior. At the end of the day this is a game . You can’t expect any and every game to represent everyone . Are you not going to play a game because the character is already pre made? Especially if it’s the opposite gender of you? This is a simulator I understand that but you can’t expect it to represent everyone especially when there’s just too much diversity in the world & cant expect it to be “perfect”. There are far more important things that I believe they should improve on. I can make the perfect sim that looks like me but yet the personality & emotion/traits is nothing like me. We still have babies as objects. A lot of simmers have been asking for them to do more. But again, no one listens to us because it’s a one way street. & the sad part is the one time we can put clothing on our object babies is behind a paywall on knitting but not added to the base game.

They are making their voices heard and offering the much needed criticism that is necessary for the game to improve and be a good experience for everyone, not just some. I become very frustrated when creating sims that resemble darker skinned people because there is a lack of vibrancy to the skintones for darker sims. That is not something people should simply be quiet about.

"This group" is black and POC players who just want to fill their sims worlds with a multitude of ethnicities and and have some of them ashy and not as nice as their lighter counterparts. The "group" that is more concerning to me is the one that is in opposition to people having better representation that suits them. Saying that this game can not represent everyone is literally a slap in the face really. The game already has very minimal hairstyles that are catered to Kinkier hair types. And you're saying thats okay and people should just go quietly? Heck no.

What "far more important" to you , may not be "far more important" to someone else. The point is, players are allowed to voice their concerns and speak about what they want from this game.

I won’t call it criticisms but I also won’t continue to go back and forth but where did I say that they should go quietly? It’s one thing to ask but the problem is That they are constantly spamming every single post & demanding things but yet other people’s ideas & wants that have been kindly asked for years have been ignored. They are the problem with the world right now & it’s sad to see other companies give in because of the consequences.

Apparently , all that asking calmly and not causing a fuss gets you, is...ignored ;)

Exactly. Says more about them then us. But again, where did I say they should be quiet? Still waiting for that quote

"Zimz4;c-17611404" wrote:
Oh, does that mean dark blonde hair color is also finally going to be a thing?

I wish. I also hope for light brown hair that isn't a reddish tone, too.

"MaggieMarley;c-17612142" wrote:

"Atreya33;c-17611930" wrote:

"Rouensims;c-17611891" wrote:

"Atreya33;c-17611659" wrote:


In a perfect scenario toddlers and children should get the unnatural hair colors as well so my pink haired mermaid can pass on her hair colour to her children. In a game where unnatural skin tones are genetic, hairs should be as well. But I don't think we will be that lucky. Besides an update for the realistic choices are more needed.

Pink hair isn’t genetic? I had a pink-haired human Sim father pink-haired twins. Was it just weird luck? I had to decide whether or not to keep it that way, since the father’s hair was just dyed.

If you create create teens directly in CAS with the DNA tool they can inherit unnatural colours. But if you have a baby born ingame, once that baby ages up to a toddler it will get a traditional hair colour because Maxis never created all colours for all ages.

Actually if you have a baby born in game it can inherit unnatural hair colours. It will get a random hair colour as a toddler but so long as you do not edit the kid in CAS (that includes changing its clothes etc) ever before it is a teen when it becomes a teen its hair will automatically turn the unnatural colour. I know this from my 100 baby challenge. Vlad was my patriarch and when a kid inherited his grey hair it would get a random colour as a toddler and as a child - if I took it into CAS before its teen birthday it would keep the random hair colour as a teen. But, I mostly didn't bother giving the kids makeovers until they were YAs and so I didn't take any of the toddlers or kids into CAS. So, their hair automatically turned grey when they became teens.

wow thanks good to know

Why ? It would be so much better !!

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611376" wrote:
Please don't add any sliders or color wheels. Please.

"Dianesims;c-17612350" wrote:
Why ? It would be so much better !!

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611376" wrote:
Please don't add any sliders or color wheels. Please.

We had 3 or 4 skintone sliders for Sims 3. If I had Sim A, who had a skintone from Slider A, get with Sim B, who had a skintone from Slider B, then their child would either come out with Sim A's color or Sim B's color - no in between. That's not better genetics to me - that's limiting.

We had the color wheel for hair. We could put in highlights etc - not a problem, that's cool. But then when it came time for the genetics, I would get all kinds of funky hair colors for offspring. Why? Because there was no controlling the color of your child's hair with a color wheel. And then, in order to change it, I would have to go in the game, write down the specific color code for the parents' hair color, put that color in...etc. That's a process. Same thing with eye color. I don't want it.

Not to mention, the potential cost in game performance.

Also, even though a lot of people on Twitter or even online may be clanging for it, there are other people besides the Twitter crowd or the extremely online crowd that the Sims team should be thinking about.

If they want to make it optional, great - put it out there as an optional download that people can pay for. Problem solved! I'll be so happy for everyone who just needs this exact shade, these exact highlights, but don't FORCE IT on the rest of us. I just want the genetics in my game to remain functional, and simple. I don't want to have to go through a process to get the right hair colors. I don't want my kids limited to 2 skin colors because their parents have colors based in different sliders.