SimGuryLyndsey Addresses Skintones

"TheSpotted_C;c-17612366" wrote:

"Dianesims;c-17612350" wrote:
Why ? It would be so much better !!

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611376" wrote:
Please don't add any sliders or color wheels. Please.

We had 3 or 4 skintone sliders for Sims 3. If I had Sim A, who had a skintone from Slider A, get with Sim B, who had a skintone from Slider B, then their child would either come out with Sim A's color or Sim B's color - no in between. That's not better genetics to me - that's limiting.

We had the color wheel for hair. We could put in highlights etc - not a problem, that's cool. But then when it came time for the genetics, I would get all kinds of funky hair colors for offspring. Why? Because there was no controlling the color of your child's hair with a color wheel. And then, in order to change it, I would have to go in the game, write down the specific color code for the parents' hair color, put that color in...etc. That's a process. Same thing with eye color. I don't want it.

Not to mention, the potential cost in game performance.

Also, even though a lot of people on Twitter or even online may be clanging for it, there are other people besides the Twitter crowd or the extremely online crowd that the Sims team should be thinking about.

If they want to make it optional, great - put it out there as an optional download that people can pay for. Problem solved! I'll be so happy for everyone who just needs this exact shade, these exact highlights, but don't FORCE IT on the rest of us. I just want the genetics in my game to remain functional, and simple. I don't want to have to go through a process to get the right hair colors. I don't want my kids limited to 2 skin colors because their parents have colors based in different sliders.

None of this supports not having a color wheel ?It’s simple as pie just to change your sims hair back to a regular shade before they have children. The child’s hair doesn’t have to mirror the parents ?. Not even in real life does this happen much.

Also in the sims 4 , without a color wheel for Skin, genetics ? does not always make the child’s skin tone in the middle , it often makes the child be either the mom or dads. This argument is weak and if color wheel is added it will be across the entire platform. Streamlined . And those who are not for it will cope.

"TheSpotted_C;c-17612366" wrote:

"Dianesims;c-17612350" wrote:
Why ? It would be so much better !!

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611376" wrote:
Please don't add any sliders or color wheels. Please.

We had 3 or 4 skintone sliders for Sims 3. If I had Sim A, who had a skintone from Slider A, get with Sim B, who had a skintone from Slider B, then their child would either come out with Sim A's color or Sim B's color - no in between. That's not better genetics to me - that's limiting.

I don’t think anyone is advocating for repeating that system.

A simple RGB wheel would suffice, and a child’s tone could be calculated and randomized within a certain radius of values between and around the two parent values. So wherever the parents’ tone values were on the wheel, conceptually you’d draw a circle encompassing those values and the child’s randomized tone must land somewhere within that circle. If the parents’ values were farther apart, the circle would be larger and a wider range of possibilities for the child’s tone would exist. Conversely, the circle would be smaller if the parents’ values were closer together on the wheel.

"So_Money;c-17612377" wrote:

"TheSpotted_C;c-17612366" wrote:

"Dianesims;c-17612350" wrote:
Why ? It would be so much better !!

"TheSpotted_C;c-17611376" wrote:
Please don't add any sliders or color wheels. Please.

We had 3 or 4 skintone sliders for Sims 3. If I had Sim A, who had a skintone from Slider A, get with Sim B, who had a skintone from Slider B, then their child would either come out with Sim A's color or Sim B's color - no in between. That's not better genetics to me - that's limiting.

I don’t think anyone is advocating for repeating that system.

A simple RGB wheel would suffice, and a child’s tone could be calculated and randomized within a certain radius of values between and around the two parent values. So wherever the parents’ tone values were on the wheel, conceptually you’d draw a circle encompassing those values and the child’s randomized tone must land somewhere within that circle. If the parents’ values were farther apart, the circle would be larger and a wider range of possibilities for the child’s tone would exist. Conversely, the circle would be smaller if the parents’ values were closer together on the wheel.

That’s how i imagine it would work. And it shouldnt be hard.

"TheRealTacomama;c-17612387" wrote:
I mean, I doubt that they are going to implement a color wheel versus adding in more swatches (I mean, they could literally just pay Xmiramira for the Melanin packs and put them in a free update). The game is on its last legs so I doubt they'll make any widespread coding changes like a color wheel.

But I am pretty disappointed in a lot of people rn, ngl. Some of ya'lls "I wish they had focused on X instead" or "Well I hope they don't just focus on the darker skins" smacks of blatant racism and colorism.

The only time some people want to come from the woodworks talking about their own issues with the other lighter colors , is when people complain about the ashiness of the dark. A lot of players in the sims Community are very biased . Yes , they should improve all the skin tones . I actually mentioned this in a thread where either a mod/guru/dev was asking what improvements we want to see .

@Sim_Architects or you could just cope with what we have now. :)

@So_Money that sounds great in theory, but how likely is that to happen in practice? I'm not willing to bet on it.

I think an official, optional download would be fine. Then everyone could just have things the way that they want it.

I am very happy to get new skin-tones and to have the graphical issues on existing ones fixed. It's disappointing that it took them so long to address this, but hopefully it won't be too long until we get them. I hope everyone who has been requesting this feels a bit better and will be satisfied when the update comes. :heart:

What saddens me, however, is some of the comments in this thread. Comparing this to things like bigger worlds, bug-fixing or Sims' personalities is extremely distasteful. Things like that would require a full game overhaul and would take years to complete. This is about graphical/design issues that are not “game flaws” but poor/ignorant design decisions. How you can possibly find something to complain about in additional/fixed swatches that you don't have to use but makes many others happy is beyond me.

It's funny that for many who claim to love and support diversity and inclusion when it comes to LGBT+ and other religions/cultures, it just becomes that bit too much when it comes to black players being able to represent themselves.

"TheRealTacomama;c-17612387" wrote:
I mean, I doubt that they are going to implement a color wheel versus adding in more swatches (I mean, they could literally just pay Xmiramira for the Melanin packs and put them in a free update). The game is on its last legs so I doubt they'll make any widespread coding changes like a color wheel.

But I am pretty disappointed in a lot of people rn, ngl. Some of ya'lls "I wish they had focused on X instead" or "Well I hope they don't just focus on the darker skins" smacks of blatant racism and colorism.

With all due respect, that's not true. While the dark skin tones desperately need cleaning up and should be first priority, the lighter and medium skin tones could use some polish as well because there are some noticeable imperfections. And while they're looking into it now, is the time to do it because when are they ever going to visit the skins again? But they said they will clean up the skins, particularly the darker ones. Awesome. They also said we will be getting some new tones in the fall. Great! But why should they exclusively be darker skin tones? When you look in game right now, the tones that have the least amount of swatches are the medium tones. That doesn't seem very fair to those ethnicities now, does it? So why is it perfectly okay to ask for even more dark skin tones, but suddenly it's racist to ask for more dark and medium and light ones to balance the options for everyone?

It would be one thing if we didn't have hardly any dark tones to begin with, or we weren't getting any new tones at all. Then I would absolutely agree that the focus should be on cleaning up the dark tones because they never should have shipped that way in the first place. But with the announcement of new tones, it is absolutely fair to ask for an expanded selection of all shades.

And I'll even go one further...can we please get some new colorful skin tones as well for the fantasy players? Because we're still talking about a game here.

"Onverser;c-17612011" wrote:
It's a shame it took so much to get even a response on the issue. They need to start interacting with the community more and taking feedback on peoples issues rather than just ignoring what people are saying most the time. Even if they just talked about the situation with certain things that players want that would make a huge difference.

It's sad that it takes the voice of big name game changers to get any response from them.

If they're working on things people really want, don't save it for a surprise release, let people know what's going on so they don't feel so ignored

This! I don't understand why they can't just state they hear the concerns, the issues, the wants/desires and just flat out say we're working on it or looking into, or no - it just can' be done or we're not doing whatever it is, just so people know that they weren't talking to the wall. They don't have to give a timeline, just an acknowledgement that they're trying to implement whatever it is or they won't be.

I think that is seriously what riles people up so much.

And if they looked into and they can't fix it or implement, then explain WHY, what was the issue, explain it in layman's terms so that people understand.

@TheSpotted_C

I agree it’s not likely, especially given the team’s track record. I just think it shows that a color wheel is probably the optimal way of handling the situation.

"So_Money;c-17612439" wrote:
@TheSpotted_C

I agree it’s not likely, especially given the team’s track record. I just think it shows that a color wheel is probably the optimal way of handling the situation.

They should have never removed it as a feature to begin with, especially in regards to eyes/skin/hair colors.