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An issue of concern: Developer and Player relationships

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  • Koegy - you died heroically playing full strength on tib 30 - renaming your main base - respect to that. You did learn us how to use pvp covering properly by killing Waylord and Patriot - we did not get it first time - second time you did it - we got it.

    And we are not defending multy-account strategy - we are defending fair play - if dev comes to you with your 100 people whom you represent - well we represent almost 10 times more - so we want to have 10 times more meetings - 40 to be precise - but 1 is a good start.

    Secondly - this patch did kill multy-accounting strategy but it also killed team play - and it is not cool at all. We need to see some change before world champ starts with respect to team play and this is what we would like to discuss with dev.

  • gamerdruid
    3989 posts Moderator
    Unrealistic suggestions of 40 meetings... hmmm 4 meetings in 6 years are regular meetings..... hmmm

    This discussion is going nowhere ... some people are annoyed a number of TeamSpeak meetings took place without them being invited. By it's very nature TS cannot have successful meetings with more than a few people present as everyone wants to have their say. Also, by the very nature of this game it is international. TS in German makes sense as the developers speak German as their native (or first) language. But should they then have meetings in Russian, French, Punjabi or English. What about Gaelic? Once you start it will never stop..... How about Chinese (any dialect chosen will be 'wrong' for some)?

    I agree, TS is not the best method as no record exists other than the notes made by whoever was present. However, it has happened. How does this get resolved?

    Maybe a solution is for 'them' to agree not have any more TS meetings that aren't recorded or pre-announced as taking place. (I think it is unfair on them to be made to have a meeting in what is to them a foreign language such as English, even if they are proficient speakers of spoken English).

    If anyone has a point to make these forums are open to all players. Most do not choose to visit here most of the time, even when the feel aggrieved.) Sometimes a discussion gets hijacked, so private discussions take place via Direct Messaging. That seems OK to me.

    I agree with some of the points made here about the changes to the loot distribution. They have been made in other threads too. @EE_Elephterion has said the intention was not to share the loot on every shot, just on the final killing of the Construction Yard. But, what would happen if that was the case? I suggest that killing the base except the construction yard would become normal strategy for some alliances. Maybe not on the WCS but on other worlds.



    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
  • Kucharson
    5 posts New member
    > @gamerdruid said:
    > Unrealistic suggestions of 40 meetings... hmmm 4 meetings in 6 years are regular meetings..... hmmm
    >
    > This discussion is going nowhere ... some people are annoyed a number of TeamSpeak meetings took place without them being invited. By it's very nature TS cannot have successful meetings with more than a few people present as everyone wants to have their say. Also, by the very nature of this game it is international. TS in German makes sense as the developers speak German as their native (or first) language. But should they then have meetings in Russian, French, Punjabi or English. What about Gaelic? Once you start it will never stop..... How about Chinese (any dialect chosen will be 'wrong' for some)?
    >
    > I agree, TS is not the best method as no record exists other than the notes made by whoever was present. However, it has happened. How does this get resolved?
    >
    > Maybe a solution is for 'them' to agree not have any more TS meetings that aren't recorded or pre-announced as taking place. (I think it is unfair on them to be made to have a meeting in what is to them a foreign language such as English, even if they are proficient speakers of spoken English).
    >
    > If anyone has a point to make these forums are open to all players. Most do not choose to visit here most of the time, even when the feel aggrieved.) Sometimes a discussion gets hijacked, so private discussions take place via Direct Messaging. That seems OK to me.
    >
    > I agree with some of the points made here about the changes to the loot distribution. They have been made in other threads too. @EE_Elephterion has said the intention was not to share the loot on every shot, just on the final killing of the Construction Yard. But, what would happen if that was the case? I suggest that killing the base except the construction yard would become normal strategy for some alliances. Maybe not on the WCS but on other worlds.

    Is just 1 meeting not 40. That what you saying is easy to aggre Developers supporting germans. Did you ever make a meeting with someboody else?

    And also is language a problem? That's mean only one thing, devs listen only to germans cause they can speak in their language. Complete joke.
  • I do understand that you have to defend your position - and I don't need to push it any further - everything is evidential already.

    If you do prefer not to have any more meetings - we will understand that - but maybe - considering that world champ is happening soon and that guys who do represent a lot of other guys, and we do represent a lot more guys, then with whom you were speaking previously during those 4 meetings - would like to politely have an opportunity to tell our side of the story - you not opened to it?

    Best Regards
    Cross
  • Waylord7
    15 posts Member
    edited March 2019
    kOeGy wrote: »

    btw waylord, are you imperiumnod?

    i don`t know who is it. in tib 37 i play for IncognitoNod(as gdi) but not much and give my account for war to other...i am father now and not have much time for play.
    In tib 38 i play now as OptimumNod.

  • I do understand that you have to defend your position - and I don't need to push it any further - everything is evidential already.

    If you do prefer not to have any more meetings - we will understand that - but maybe - considering that world champ is happening soon and that guys who do represent a lot of other guys, and we do represent a lot more guys, then with whom you were speaking previously during those 4 meetings - would like to politely have an opportunity to tell our side of the story - you not opened to it?

    Best Regards
    Cross

    Cross no way.....he already reply you with making fun of us, did not you notice? "But should they then have meetings in Russian, French, Punjabi or English. What about Gaelic? "
    In which language he think we speak when we discuss in ts even though we are not all german or english?
    They have listened to only one part, they have modified the game adapting it to them, this is not right for everyone else but it's happened, now they can safely play wcs, but on their own.
  • Hmm - I do speak 3 languages - if you want to talk German - my brother is proficient in it - but that is kind of pushing things.

    Please do come and listen to what we have to say or tell us where we can come and explain our concerns. And we are not talking about bringing 700 people there - only 5-6 CiC:s.

    How hard can that discussion be?

    Regards
    Cross
  • gamerdruid wrote: »
    Unrealistic suggestions of 40 meetings... hmmm 4 meetings in 6 years are regular meetings..... hmmm

    Also only 1 meeting is not regular Trust is the basis of everything and here too.
    We can not know what you said, you have a relationship, this is clear and this is enough to make everyone lose confidence in the game.
    We can not know if there are tricks or anything else not known to everyone, we play "in the dark" we do not know at this point.

    I repeat you have only one solution if want really player not think bad:
    RESTORE ALL RULE ACTIVE BEFORE THIS MEETING.

    Regards.
  • kOeGy
    18 posts Member
    Yes, i played tib 30.. I cant win a world on my own, therefore i need a team i can lead :) Tib 30 was a bunch of noobs, but it was fun to play.. And it was my first world i played, where i got told "they fixed locking" .. And yes, by accident we detected the bug, which got reported immediatly and yes, i killed your top ppl with it(just to show you guys, that this crap is still available and even more op then the old one locking system), on a world which was lost anyway due to 100vs50, but that was fine for me, because our team wasnt good at all

    if you arent PRO multi accounting, then prove it because right now you guys sound like "you killed our strategy".. You can still do teamwork, not efficient and ppl need to have safe attacks for not running out of cp/rt :)
  • Koegy - time after time - you say same thing.

    Tib 30 - you came with champions and 150k free funds and 2 wings - Reloaded and Babylon 5 -how do we play against that - we made total trust with Sobieski.
    Tib32 - well TTD can explain that - most probably they just nuked you.
    Tib 35 - you come now with HTTW to help you - what do we do - we take top 10 polish guys to our main - we kill you.
    Tib 37 - now you are angry - you get Nuubal, Sanrex to help and a bunch of other guys - what do we do - we come with 4main alliances and still kill you.

    After that - what do you do? You talk to dev and make an anti multy-account patch?

    No problems - we still come and kill you on world champ - but do it properly - we will not and play on that world if it nothing changes - and it is not our job to think what should be done - we don't work for EA.

    Regards
    Cross
  • ToXXXic69
    8 posts New member
    > @sentierorosso said:
    > Cross no way.....he already reply you with making fun of us, did not you notice? "But should they then have meetings in Russian, French, Punjabi or English. What about Gaelic? "

    This was not making fun of you. The comment means that having meetings will not solve the problem of perception of fairness, because in the same way as you think it was unfair that a developer participated verbally with one group, there will always be those who will feel left out when developers speak to any group as the do not speak a language of a meeting.

    It is the rest of us here that find humor in what you say because you keep trying to twist things to create guilt trips and appeal to a presumed insecurity of the developers in their character to reinstate your multi account gameplay. Since you have no case to revert the patch, and you can't play without multis, it is understandable that in your desperation you resort to such tactics. But it is really hilarious.

    The bottom line is that the developers will read the comments here about teamplay being a problem. Teamplay is definitely not solely your concern. I also feel there should be a fix to the teamplay issue caused by the loss of resources of bases. It seems to me there is consensus on the subject among the players who have spoken on both sides (pro-multi acct and pro-single account gameplay).
  • ToXXXic69 wrote: »
    > @sentierorosso said:
    > Cross no way.....he already reply you with making fun of us, did not you notice? "But should they then have meetings in Russian, French, Punjabi or English. What about Gaelic? "

    This was not making fun of you. The comment means that having meetings will not solve the problem of perception of fairness, because in the same way as you think it was unfair that a developer participated verbally with one group, there will always be those who will feel left out when developers speak to any group as the do not speak a language of a meeting.

    It is the rest of us here that find humor in what you say because you keep trying to twist things to create guilt trips and appeal to a presumed insecurity of the developers in their character to reinstate your multi account gameplay. Since you have no case to revert the patch, and you can't play without multis, it is understandable that in your desperation you resort to such tactics. But it is really hilarious.

    The bottom line is that the developers will read the comments here about teamplay being a problem. Teamplay is definitely not solely your concern. I also feel there should be a fix to the teamplay issue caused by the loss of resources of bases. It seems to me there is consensus on the subject among the players who have spoken on both sides (pro-multi acct and pro-single account gameplay).



    I do not know who you are and I do not know you in the game, I played, after the first world of training, 5 worlds 1 I lost it for a cheated agreement, the other 4 I won with and without alt.
    Who are you in the game?
    The developers are wrong, now nobody trusts anymore, including me, I can play without alt, I already did and I won (6 and 32).

    Regards.
  • I like how you twist the reality - our opponents on 4 occasions - although they represent a small group of paying customers had a privilege to talk with the service provides - ellegently not affecting anything.

    It was done hush hush - now when it is out in the open - our service providers suddenly decide to skip that policy and not talk to us - who do represent a lot of their paying customers? That is your plan?

    I know it is Satturday evening - but please do think about a better one.

    Regards
    Cross
  • kOeGy
    18 posts Member
    i played tib 30 yes thats it.. dunno where you have your nonesense information from but its funny :D if i were a dev, i wouldnt even listen to unthankful and unfriendly ppl like u :S All you do is stupid accusations and bluffing like allways.. Reminds me of the last wcs.. Oh wait, you never played one, even if you have 1000 active ppl :S :D
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  • Koegy - I do respect you - stop being stupid - you are not and I know it. The thing we are discussing now has nothing to do with you - we are discussing business model of this game - and how you have managed to influence it.
  • but by that standard i'd also have to close my DMs here and ingame and disclose any report players make to me in private.

    That sounds like a good start at repairing or rebuilding the community trust back. Not that you have to close your DM but just ensure that any info received from players related to game can be documented (TS/verbal communication included).

    As someone mentioned, you are the referee and must stay unbiased. We know some referees blow bad calls, and some blow bad calls intentionally. Let's hope you were not the latter.
  • ToXXXic69
    8 posts New member
    @sentierorosso my thoughts on your comments:

    "Who are you in the game?" --- Does it matter? I am a player who feels that bringing a motorcycle to a bicycle race shows a lack of character. Multi-account gameplay is for players who can't play.

    "The developers are wrong" --- No, you are wrong. Developers in all companies around the world need to find information about their target market in order to improve their product offering. The best way to do it is to speak with experienced customers and ask them directly.

    "now nobody trusts anymore" --- You continue attempting to manipulate developers to reverse the anti-multi-account patch using guilt and ideas with no game-related substance.

    "I can play without alt, I already did and I won (6 and 32)." --- Prove it. Show up at WCS with your team and teach everyone how the game is played.
  • All changes to the game are made after losing Shafta / mara / Nvidia - do not you think that this is a strange coincidence? The fact that the game developer makes contact only with these teams also looks very strange. We all spend our money - but the game developer writes the rules for one team ....
  • ToXXXic69 wrote: »
    @sentierorosso my thoughts on your comments:

    "Who are you in the game?" --- Does it matter? I am a player who feels that bringing a motorcycle to a bicycle race shows a lack of character. Multi-account gameplay is for players who can't play.

    "The developers are wrong" --- No, you are wrong. Developers in all companies around the world need to find information about their target market in order to improve their product offering. The best way to do it is to speak with experienced customers and ask them directly.

    "now nobody trusts anymore" --- You continue attempting to manipulate developers to reverse the anti-multi-account patch using guilt and ideas with no game-related substance.

    "I can play without alt, I already did and I won (6 and 32)." --- Prove it. Show up at WCS with your team and teach everyone how the game is played.

    I will not answer anymore I'll just say that the game has been modified to favor a part, here we are not talking about any software (even I take care of that and I know how it works), here the rules have been changed in favor of only one part.
    It's different.
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