Nevermore - what you are trying to do, is just another poor attempt to switch the focus of the discussion towards who did or did not do something inside the game. Can you for once disregard the game and look above it? Do you see that there are people who time after time fail to satisfy the vast majority of their paying customers?
You know how they say – “Don’t try to fix something that is not broken”. Game was not broken – everyone except champions who got beaten server after server was enjoying. Since Envision started to try to fix things beginning with patch 19.1 (which is not consistent with the spirit of the game and against EA official game commercial) – Devs. making one mistake after another.
I start to think that this specialized discussion platform will not have any impact on anything – strategy that both Electronic Art representative and Envision Entertainment representatives have so far chosen – seems to be to stick their heads into the sand and hope that this storm will blow over.
It will not –soon I will be provided with a direct e-mail to Mr. Dirk Ringe and after that I will move this to another dimension. And yes Mr. EA_Roger – we did not forget about you either – we will find who you boss is and talk with him or her as well.
Its really funny to read this here.... Game was not broken... hmmm maybe, but what is wrong on "Play the game like it was designed!" . It was never designed to create 25 Preshoot accounts to feed 1 main account (not as far as i understand the game).... its just a way to find exploids... Its so annoying to read the same stuff week per week here.... same with this eastern challenge... Guys there is just 1 fact: you cant manage to kill schaffa with 5 alliances against them... you dont even try it!
thats the main Problem, i couldnt see any tactics, any plans from the "coalition" on this wcs... Why not? I dont get it.... Why dont you even havent tried anything? you have attacked us way earlier on the server, 10 guys from every alliance would have been also 50 accounts, then go 1 on 1 on us, but with 50 real accs not this alt-**** u tried in the beginning of the server... 5 alliances have 5 x more rt, 5 x more cp and could gain 5 x more rt from the challenge (the challenge was usable for everyone as far as i know ;-) ).
i mean its not over yet, but now u have to have a real good plan if u wanna win it...
If I was stirring it I might suggest the timing of this "maintenance" today was done to favour schaffa's wing that were about to start losing all their bubbles....................................... Honestly you guys couldnt write the script with your timing of these "fixes"
> @gamerdruid said: > The timing of today's issues was totally beyond the control of EA and Envision. 3rd party suppliers had issues with DNS resolution.
they hired the 3rd party suppliers so thats their fault by hiring bad service providers
Nevermore, you said it yourself—you don’t know what’s fully going on so if I were you I’d stop there.
To rest of you, the real cheaters is schaffa. Now leaving this thread as it totally deviated from the original post.
One thing I agree with nevermore is why continue pouring money and time into this game—when you’re just a noob to schaffa and a donkey in the eyes of the developers which both work together to take your money.
> @gamerdruid said:
> The timing of today's issues was totally beyond the control of EA and Envision. 3rd party suppliers had issues with DNS resolution.
they hired the 3rd party suppliers so thats their fault by hiring bad service providers
EA did the hiring, not Envision. That is if you wish to view it as there responsibility. You could take it to the logical end conclusion, you are at fault for choosing to play an EA game.
I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
Its really funny to read this here.... Game was not broken... hmmm maybe, but what is wrong on "Play the game like it was designed!" . It was never designed to create 25 Preshoot accounts to feed 1 main account (not as far as i understand the game).... its just a way to find exploids...
Its so annoying to read the same stuff week per week here.... same with this eastern challenge... Guys there is just 1 fact: you cant manage to kill schaffa with 5 alliances against them... you dont even try it!
thats the main Problem, i couldnt see any tactics, any plans from the "coalition" on this wcs... Why not? I dont get it.... Why dont you even havent tried anything? you have attacked us way earlier on the server, 10 guys from every alliance would have been also 50 accounts, then go 1 on 1 on us, but with 50 real accs not this alt-**** u tried in the beginning of the server...
5 alliances have 5 x more rt, 5 x more cp and could gain 5 x more rt from the challenge (the challenge was usable for everyone as far as i know ;-) ).
i mean its not over yet, but now u have to have a real good plan if u wanna win it...
Just my 2cents...
apart from that maybe you still haven't understood the rules of the game, when you kill the fortress the question is:
have you won any world against us? (TTD I mean) I only remember that you ran away from 32 and 37 ......... and maybe even from 23 ....... but who do you think you are now that you play with envision defense lawyers?
The game has been distorted and this is obvious to everyone, whether in good faith or not counts for little.
You talk about multiaccount only because even if you use them in previous worlds you have lost.
Now it has been done in good faith or not, but everything has been distorted. Do you really believe that we are interested in a different badge on the profile?
Not me, but will playing without tricks or surprises like patch ad hoc meeting with 1 only group, false start,
and lastly the application of the challenge to the wcs.
Now you can also win, maybe you can, maybe not, but for sure it was all very strange and irregular.
"It was never designed to create 25 Preshoot accounts to feed 1 main account (not as far as i understand the game)…"
Another poor attempt - I feel sorry for you guys to be honest. Who are you KaptainKanalie to tell us that the game was never designed for multy accounting? Are you one of the designers? Were you participating on all design meetings? No - otherwise you would not write (not as far as I understand the game).
Maybe you do not understand the game. Only Electronic Arts and Envision can answer all of us how the game was designed. But they are silent - saying nothing - waiting for the storm to pass. Only thing they officially stated is that it is and I quote "unwanted behaviour" without explaining why it is "unwanted".
I give you facts of the mistakes made by the Devs time after time, you give me bla bla bla in game something that our Coalition should have done. How many times do I have to repeat - this discussion is not about the game and what happens in the game anymore - it is about service providers whom we all pay a lot of money who for some reason either it is unintentional or intentional provide us bad service.
> @XCrossover70 said: > How many times do I have to repeat - this discussion is not about the game and what happens in the game anymore - it is about service providers whom we all pay a lot of money who for some reason either it is unintentional or intentional provide us bad service.
You are not reading, only writing.
> @LegionF9 said: > We are in agreement that the service is very erratic. > This erratic and borderline-incompetent behavior has always been with the developers, even as the developer team changed completely several times over this period. > But the demands and ultimatums above are unjustified and more similar to childish tantrum. > What do you do? > 1) Ignore the small problems and enjoy the service. > 2) Go to a different service provider. > 3) Have a tantrum. (paraphrasing)
This was a discussion of your proposition. Why you don't respond? Have nothing to say?
> @LegionF9 said: > the total prize money of wcs is on the order of 5000 bucks, tops > all the spending of all players on such a server as wcs is probably around 10-20k
That's NOT a lot of money. EA couldn't care less about the quality of service on such a small game. If you really push them and push them in court and it becomes potentially costly (and btw that is really a very low 0.00001% probability event, that's why they say "SORRRYYYY" and simply ignore you), then they will just close the game, and you won't extract much from them, but you will kill the game in the process. Is that what you are trying to achieve? Would that be a service to the community?
I have not said anything negative about Schaffa or Takman. Ever... As far as I am concerned, Schaffa is an excellent team with excellent leadership and they know how to take advantage of circumstances in the game. They build very well and have excellent communication and teamwork and have a track record to prove they are very good. If we concede the victory to them, they have my congratulations, the same as I congratulated them when we conceded victory to them in WCS2017.
As far as this current claim that the developers have assisted Schaffa...
1. Advantage was indeed given to Schaffa with the infected RT. Regardless of any other factors that also influence the outcome of the WCS. The damage it did to the coalition strategy cannot be undone so it is a waste of time attempting to negotiate a settlement. It was unfortunate, and to me it is now in the past.
2. If I was Schaffa, I would not want the developer's help, as it would taint my victory. Schaffa have said that the assist was the result of incompetent developers, and the explanation is in line with many things I have witnessed. Like problems logging in, connection issues, markers that make the browser crash, all players having the need to reload browsers several times every day, incorrect information in the roster, wrong name on player cards, the list of bugs is extensive. So it is easy to believe they made another mistake.
3. Suing over a situation that is just a game, that cannot be proven to have been intentional, and cannot be proven to have been the deciding factor of a server, seems foolish to me. I am content ignoring the sloppy bathroom and enjoying the sloppy burger.
So I have no complaint here. All I have to say is that your position regarding cultural superiority of Germans (self-sacrifice and resiliency, etc) is silly, not only because other cultures have their value as well and history has disproven your claims, but also because there are Germans and German ancestry in probably all coalition teams, and your position that the coalition (outside of S8, who for some mystical reason are the only ones you respect) are testicleless and disorganized fools, is untrue and coalition players and leaders deserve better than the credit you are giving them.
In regards to complaints about the game. I agree. I voted with my wallet years ago.
This game is old and modern games have comeback mechanics that allows hard working teams to have some shot, even if its a long one, to come back and challenge for the win. However, we are at the tipping point. Schaffa is nearly doubling the other teams in size. and in this game, once accounts reach god mode. its almost impossible to keep up in THIS game. Which is **** cuz section 8 right now is doing all the right moves.
However, its not over yet. I hope i am proved wrong because the war isnt over and it can still be won. Section 8 has been making a lot of good moves and schaffa is asleep. They have sloppy protection of pois and i see smoldering bases. that tells me theyre not even checking in regularly or hanging in chat. The challenge now is time and the game meta and belief the war can be won. Unless somebody stops them. They'll sit there and collect bonuses and get fat. and eventually its impossible.
Its like section 8 and angry wing are doing all the work. And the rest of the coalition is just hiding behind a tree, watching. just to see whats going to happen next. Some body prove me wrong. lol
please no more statements about multiaccounts. we played much more worlds as the last two, where we played with multies. u need to remember, that nvidia players used multies too :/ stop flaming pls, now back to topic and wcs is not over, we see us on the battlefield.
Firstly it is not important - how much money we are talking about - what is important is that I have the same role as Effe has in Shaffa - I am alliance sponsor - I fund half of Novice from the beginning of the World Championship - thus I spend a substantial amount of my money every month.
If you think that I am using my fathers platinum American Express card - you are wrong again. I work hard to earn my money - I give a lot of it to Electronic Arts - who sub-contracted Envision Entertainment to provide me a virtual game experience. Well that experience, due to all of their mistakes sucks - and I demand some F. Answers!
As said earlier - this forum is a joke - the whole reason Nevermore did achieve nothing by voting with his wallet - is because you did not take it another step further. I will take it all the way - Gamespot, PCgamers - etc - social media, I will continue there as well as using official channels in order to get the answers I want.
> @Sorrowman1984 said: > I had decided to not write again in the forum at all , as I found this behavior totally disrespectful together with all your answers but you keep lying to the community every time they call you out and you feel uncomfortable like you did again on March 5 2019 18:10
> @XCrossover70 said: > Firstly it is not important - how much money we are talking about - what is important is that I am alliance sponsor and I demand some F. Answers!
So you just admitted that you want to make this thread not about improving the game or helping the game community or what the original poster said, but about yourself and your money. You are a nobody, you do not know how to play the game, you wasted money thinking it can buy you victory and now everybody has to pay attention to your persona?
Read the original poster. This thread is about whether the challenge event should have happened (answered by devs that it was not intended to happen), whether this could be fixed now (asnwered in a no, they would not restart server over this) and whether it helped one side over another (answered in a no, but this is what the remaining discussion is about). Then there was also a discussion of a conspiracy theory that developers were deliberately helping one side. Given their history of mistakes, it is kinda unlikely. Express opinions about these topics.
We resort to personal attacks now? Please try to keep this professional.
You guys keep trying to say you know how to play this game yet everyone knows there's only a handful of players in Schaffa and in other teams that are elite and can elevate their teams. I don't think you're one of those so I'd stop with your personal attacks if I were you.
The point that Cross is trying to make is that as a customer we deserve better service than the poor service and continuing screw-ups by Envision. It has nothing to do with narcissism or you but somehow you feel like it does and manage to make this about you because you are here defending whatever guilt you have.
You guys are just blowing this out of proportion.
Maybe you are right; hence, the very little money this game profits is not enough to convince EA to do anything about it. But doesn't mean we won't try.
My objective at least is to expose 1) conflict of interest does exist and/or 2) Envision developers are incompetent. So far, from what we've seen, the latter seems to be mostly accurate.
That said, we want the community to see these screw-ups that the devs been making-- and the users to decide whether they want to continue to pay for a broken game backed up by a non-existent customer service and incompetent developers. We ain't trying to destroy the game, the devs are doing that already. Silly where you drew that conclusion from.
Done talking to ya'll. Enjoy your game. Peace out!
Legion - where do guys like you come from? Can you at least try a bit better? Taking my sentences out of the context, editing and twisting them and then arguing that modified version is wrong -is that the best you can do?
Firstly - let’s ask Sorrowman if he minds what I write here - Sorrow - do you have any problems with that?
Secondly - time after time you fail to understand the problem - let me again explain it to you. This - is not about world champion server and who did what.
This is a story that started on tib 30 when newly emerged world champions arrive there with their free 150k funds and 3 pre-assembled alliances and how they got badly beaten there by us because we and Polish became best friends and gain total trust among ourselves.
This is about tib 32 when we were watching Through the Darkness beat world champions again and how I introduced the idea to join forces on the upcoming world championship to Sannahopea - which he very much liked by the way.
This is about tib 35 when we trained early merger with our Polish friends and again beat world champions.
This is about tib 37 when we trained coalition, out maneuvered Turks, became friends with S8 and again beat world champions.
And after all of that - during a month of hard negotiations with Angry Birds - Envision send its first torpedo to our project - patch 19.1. It was not enough - so they send second torpedo - starting world champ 2 times, enabling RT packages etc. As it again turned to be not enough to stop us - Envision send 3rd torpedo - SPRING COMPETITION.
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You know how they say – “Don’t try to fix something that is not broken”. Game was not broken – everyone except champions who got beaten server after server was enjoying. Since Envision started to try to fix things beginning with patch 19.1 (which is not consistent with the spirit of the game and against EA official game commercial) – Devs. making one mistake after another.
I start to think that this specialized discussion platform will not have any impact on anything – strategy that both Electronic Art representative and Envision Entertainment representatives have so far chosen – seems to be to stick their heads into the sand and hope that this storm will blow over.
It will not –soon I will be provided with a direct e-mail to Mr. Dirk Ringe and after that I will move this to another dimension. And yes Mr. EA_Roger – we did not forget about you either – we will find who you boss is and talk with him or her as well.
And lastly GameDruid – read this please: https://kkv.fi/en/about-us/european-consumer-centre-in-finland/
Best Regards
Cross
Its so annoying to read the same stuff week per week here.... same with this eastern challenge... Guys there is just 1 fact: you cant manage to kill schaffa with 5 alliances against them... you dont even try it!
thats the main Problem, i couldnt see any tactics, any plans from the "coalition" on this wcs... Why not? I dont get it.... Why dont you even havent tried anything? you have attacked us way earlier on the server, 10 guys from every alliance would have been also 50 accounts, then go 1 on 1 on us, but with 50 real accs not this alt-**** u tried in the beginning of the server...
5 alliances have 5 x more rt, 5 x more cp and could gain 5 x more rt from the challenge (the challenge was usable for everyone as far as i know ;-) ).
i mean its not over yet, but now u have to have a real good plan if u wanna win it...
Just my 2cents...
> The timing of today's issues was totally beyond the control of EA and Envision. 3rd party suppliers had issues with DNS resolution.
they hired the 3rd party suppliers so thats their fault by hiring bad service providers
To rest of you, the real cheaters is schaffa. Now leaving this thread as it totally deviated from the original post.
One thing I agree with nevermore is why continue pouring money and time into this game—when you’re just a noob to schaffa and a donkey in the eyes of the developers which both work together to take your money.
EA did the hiring, not Envision. That is if you wish to view it as there responsibility. You could take it to the logical end conclusion, you are at fault for choosing to play an EA game.
apart from that maybe you still haven't understood the rules of the game, when you kill the fortress the question is:
have you won any world against us? (TTD I mean) I only remember that you ran away from 32 and 37 ......... and maybe even from 23 ....... but who do you think you are now that you play with envision defense lawyers?
You talk about multiaccount only because even if you use them in previous worlds you have lost.
Now it has been done in good faith or not, but everything has been distorted. Do you really believe that we are interested in a different badge on the profile?
Not me, but will playing without tricks or surprises like patch ad hoc meeting with 1 only group, false start,
and lastly the application of the challenge to the wcs.
Now you can also win, maybe you can, maybe not, but for sure it was all very strange and irregular.
Another poor attempt - I feel sorry for you guys to be honest. Who are you KaptainKanalie to tell us that the game was never designed for multy accounting? Are you one of the designers? Were you participating on all design meetings? No - otherwise you would not write (not as far as I understand the game).
Maybe you do not understand the game. Only Electronic Arts and Envision can answer all of us how the game was designed. But they are silent - saying nothing - waiting for the storm to pass. Only thing they officially stated is that it is and I quote "unwanted behaviour" without explaining why it is "unwanted".
I give you facts of the mistakes made by the Devs time after time, you give me bla bla bla in game something that our Coalition should have done. How many times do I have to repeat - this discussion is not about the game and what happens in the game anymore - it is about service providers whom we all pay a lot of money who for some reason either it is unintentional or intentional provide us bad service.
Regards
Cross
> How many times do I have to repeat - this discussion is not about the game and what happens in the game anymore - it is about service providers whom we all pay a lot of money who for some reason either it is unintentional or intentional provide us bad service.
You are not reading, only writing.
> @LegionF9 said:
> We are in agreement that the service is very erratic.
> This erratic and borderline-incompetent behavior has always been with the developers, even as the developer team changed completely several times over this period.
> But the demands and ultimatums above are unjustified and more similar to childish tantrum.
> What do you do?
> 1) Ignore the small problems and enjoy the service.
> 2) Go to a different service provider.
> 3) Have a tantrum. (paraphrasing)
This was a discussion of your proposition. Why you don't respond? Have nothing to say?
> @LegionF9 said:
> the total prize money of wcs is on the order of 5000 bucks, tops
> all the spending of all players on such a server as wcs is probably around 10-20k
That's NOT a lot of money. EA couldn't care less about the quality of service on such a small game.
If you really push them and push them in court and it becomes potentially costly (and btw that is really a very low 0.00001% probability event, that's why they say "SORRRYYYY" and simply ignore you), then they will just close the game, and you won't extract much from them, but you will kill the game in the process. Is that what you are trying to achieve? Would that be a service to the community?
I have not said anything negative about Schaffa or Takman. Ever... As far as I am concerned, Schaffa is an excellent team with excellent leadership and they know how to take advantage of circumstances in the game. They build very well and have excellent communication and teamwork and have a track record to prove they are very good. If we concede the victory to them, they have my congratulations, the same as I congratulated them when we conceded victory to them in WCS2017.
As far as this current claim that the developers have assisted Schaffa...
1. Advantage was indeed given to Schaffa with the infected RT. Regardless of any other factors that also influence the outcome of the WCS. The damage it did to the coalition strategy cannot be undone so it is a waste of time attempting to negotiate a settlement. It was unfortunate, and to me it is now in the past.
2. If I was Schaffa, I would not want the developer's help, as it would taint my victory. Schaffa have said that the assist was the result of incompetent developers, and the explanation is in line with many things I have witnessed. Like problems logging in, connection issues, markers that make the browser crash, all players having the need to reload browsers several times every day, incorrect information in the roster, wrong name on player cards, the list of bugs is extensive. So it is easy to believe they made another mistake.
3. Suing over a situation that is just a game, that cannot be proven to have been intentional, and cannot be proven to have been the deciding factor of a server, seems foolish to me. I am content ignoring the sloppy bathroom and enjoying the sloppy burger.
So I have no complaint here. All I have to say is that your position regarding cultural superiority of Germans (self-sacrifice and resiliency, etc) is silly, not only because other cultures have their value as well and history has disproven your claims, but also because there are Germans and German ancestry in probably all coalition teams, and your position that the coalition (outside of S8, who for some mystical reason are the only ones you respect) are testicleless and disorganized fools, is untrue and coalition players and leaders deserve better than the credit you are giving them.
This game is old and modern games have comeback mechanics that allows hard working teams to have some shot, even if its a long one, to come back and challenge for the win. However, we are at the tipping point. Schaffa is nearly doubling the other teams in size. and in this game, once accounts reach god mode. its almost impossible to keep up in THIS game. Which is **** cuz section 8 right now is doing all the right moves.
However, its not over yet. I hope i am proved wrong because the war isnt over and it can still be won. Section 8 has been making a lot of good moves and schaffa is asleep. They have sloppy protection of pois and i see smoldering bases. that tells me theyre not even checking in regularly or hanging in chat. The challenge now is time and the game meta and belief the war can be won. Unless somebody stops them. They'll sit there and collect bonuses and get fat. and eventually its impossible.
Its like section 8 and angry wing are doing all the work. And the rest of the coalition is just hiding behind a tree, watching. just to see whats going to happen next. Some body prove me wrong. lol
Don't tell me i am wrong. Show me.
Firstly it is not important - how much money we are talking about - what is important is that I have the same role as Effe has in Shaffa - I am alliance sponsor - I fund half of Novice from the beginning of the World Championship - thus I spend a substantial amount of my money every month.
If you think that I am using my fathers platinum American Express card - you are wrong again. I work hard to earn my money - I give a lot of it to Electronic Arts - who sub-contracted Envision Entertainment to provide me a virtual game experience. Well that experience, due to all of their mistakes sucks - and I demand some F. Answers!
As said earlier - this forum is a joke - the whole reason Nevermore did achieve nothing by voting with his wallet - is because you did not take it another step further. I will take it all the way - Gamespot, PCgamers - etc - social media, I will continue there as well as using official channels in order to get the answers I want.
Best Regards
Cross
> I had decided to not write again in the forum at all , as I found this behavior totally disrespectful together with all your answers but you keep lying to the community every time they call you out and you feel uncomfortable like you did again on March 5 2019 18:10
curious what thread this is referring to,?
https://forums.ea.com/en/commandandconquer/discussion/241340/an-issue-of-concern-developer-and-player-relationships/p1
And this:
https://forums.ea.com/en/commandandconquer/discussion/241502/developer-and-player-relationships/p1
> Firstly it is not important - how much money we are talking about - what is important is that I am alliance sponsor and I demand some F. Answers!
So you just admitted that you want to make this thread not about improving the game or helping the game community or what the original poster said, but about yourself and your money. You are a nobody, you do not know how to play the game, you wasted money thinking it can buy you victory and now everybody has to pay attention to your persona?
Read the original poster. This thread is about whether the challenge event should have happened (answered by devs that it was not intended to happen), whether this could be fixed now (asnwered in a no, they would not restart server over this) and whether it helped one side over another (answered in a no, but this is what the remaining discussion is about). Then there was also a discussion of a conspiracy theory that developers were deliberately helping one side. Given their history of mistakes, it is kinda unlikely. Express opinions about these topics.
Start a narcissist thread somewhere else.
We resort to personal attacks now? Please try to keep this professional.
You guys keep trying to say you know how to play this game yet everyone knows there's only a handful of players in Schaffa and in other teams that are elite and can elevate their teams. I don't think you're one of those so I'd stop with your personal attacks if I were you.
The point that Cross is trying to make is that as a customer we deserve better service than the poor service and continuing screw-ups by Envision. It has nothing to do with narcissism or you but somehow you feel like it does and manage to make this about you because you are here defending whatever guilt you have.
You guys are just blowing this out of proportion.
Maybe you are right; hence, the very little money this game profits is not enough to convince EA to do anything about it. But doesn't mean we won't try.
My objective at least is to expose 1) conflict of interest does exist and/or 2) Envision developers are incompetent. So far, from what we've seen, the latter seems to be mostly accurate.
That said, we want the community to see these screw-ups that the devs been making-- and the users to decide whether they want to continue to pay for a broken game backed up by a non-existent customer service and incompetent developers. We ain't trying to destroy the game, the devs are doing that already. Silly where you drew that conclusion from.
Done talking to ya'll. Enjoy your game. Peace out!
Firstly - let’s ask Sorrowman if he minds what I write here - Sorrow - do you have any problems with that?
Secondly - time after time you fail to understand the problem - let me again explain it to you. This - is not about world champion server and who did what.
This is a story that started on tib 30 when newly emerged world champions arrive there with their free 150k funds and 3 pre-assembled alliances and how they got badly beaten there by us because we and Polish became best friends and gain total trust among ourselves.
This is about tib 32 when we were watching Through the Darkness beat world champions again and how I introduced the idea to join forces on the upcoming world championship to Sannahopea - which he very much liked by the way.
This is about tib 35 when we trained early merger with our Polish friends and again beat world champions.
This is about tib 37 when we trained coalition, out maneuvered Turks, became friends with S8 and again beat world champions.
And after all of that - during a month of hard negotiations with Angry Birds - Envision send its first torpedo to our project - patch 19.1. It was not enough - so they send second torpedo - starting world champ 2 times, enabling RT packages etc. As it again turned to be not enough to stop us - Envision send 3rd torpedo - SPRING COMPETITION.
Best Regards
Cross