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  • If Envision had not been convicted of transferring insider information to Schaff before - there would not have been so many questions now. Yes, no one argues, Schaffa is a very strong team. But why then does Envision change the rules of the game before the start of the championship under the requirements of Schaffa? Why after the server started prematurely - were the first registered players from Schaffa? Why do repair packages appear at the start, about which they say that nobody can use them? Why does the spring competition start at the championship exactly at the moment when the key players of the Shuffa are at those POIs that allow them to make up for the repair time?
    It may be called a coincidence, but there are a lot of them ... therefore I personally think that there is a constant exchange of insider information between someone in Envision and one of the players of Shaffa.
    The second option - Envision is simply not a competent company that makes a lot of mistakes that greatly affect the quality of the game.


  • Thank you @XCrossover70. I read both threads. I think I see the post Sorrowman1974 is referring to in 2nd thread but I am still confused on what the developers lied about specifically. They admitted they met with the wcs winning team in their teamspeak. That is a serious accusation to make without providing more detail.
  • Sorrowman1984
    30 posts Member
    edited May 25
    so serious that he didnt even care about lol
    He lied that they talked with the winners of the last WCS AFTER the patch went live on all servers because they did it a earlier and at least twice. Two are the times I already know for sure
  • sentierorosso
    62 posts Member
    edited May 26
    History of wcs

    prnt.sc/msiz5q

    K. : "Hey DEV which is the best route to reach the center?"
    Dev: "NORTH AND SW ofc"

    K. : "You sure? we need check"
    Dev: " Impossible before server start"

    K. : "If you start 3 h before official time, we can check"
    Dev: "mmm ok, we do it"

    K. "Ty we can start half alliance in N and half in SW and then decide"

    K. "Hey dev all our off basis is empty on rt need challenge fast in wcs"
    Dev: "we promised we wouldn't do it"

    K. "you will say that it was a mistake but we need it"
    Dev: "ok we do it"

    K. "hey devs we cant play against them finally you need to deactivate the alts "
    Dev: "but we havent done a **** for years about it and they will say you asked us to do it "

    K: "you will say you havent talked with us , was your own action dont worry"
    Dev "but this will be a lie"
    K: "you will just not answer about the lie anything to anyone and all ok"
    Dev: "ok"

    K. "hey devs dont fix the bug with venoms we need a weapon to kill them when we will not be able to do it"
    Dev: "but we promised to fixed it before WCS"
    K: "you will say you were unable to , go for long holidays so you dont need to answer to anyone about anything"
    dev "Ok"


    K. "Hey dev we need to rain code in center because we can't control world"
    Dev: "but it is not regular"

    K. "you will say that it was a mistake but we need it"
    Dev. "Ok we do it"

    K. " Hey dev we can't control center need shot FF with 1 only hub"
    Dev "but it is not regular"

    K. "you will say that it was a mistake but we need it"
    Dev. "Ok we do it"

    K. "Hey dev enemy is at 20 spot from our hub need disband all enemy alliance when we decide to shot FF"
    Dev "but it is not regular"

    K. "you will say that it was a mistake but we need it"
    Dev. "Ok we do it"

    K. "Hey dev FF is to high need max level 35"
    Dev "Usually is average of first 20 main"

    K." yes but enemy have big main and can shot our hub"
    Dev "Dev. "mmmm you have 1 only hub .............Ok we do it"


    AND SHAFFA WIN WCS :_))))))))))))))))))))))

    K. "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
  • Jaune23
    29 posts Member
    It looks like WCS 2019 is a bad joke.

    Personaly, always thought kind of server like this is heaven for the best players but also cheaters of the game.

    People compaining on this forum are quality players, some i have played with.

    It would be interesting to see posts from wining alliance's players.
  • Why should they comment? For them, all is well. And for Envision we are not so important)))
  • Edi777300
    4 posts New member
    rules of a game should not be changed because somebody is losing and is writing principles so that he can more easily win
  • Edi777300
    4 posts New member
    if you copied into t37 you whined that we were jamming and at once you changed rules of a game up to you
  • SorX02
    1 posts New member
    Well EA is playing double standard with us,, EA Germany HQ changed the rules to favor of Schaffa teams and now they can't admit their big mistakes because that will affect the beneficial from this game and will make us know there is no equals fair to other players ,, I think I'm the most member pushed tons of funds feeding alliances and friends but that will be change , I can't play with such cheaters like EA !!
  • FyeSi
    5 posts Member
    EA is not more few developers that can play and change the rules upon their way, so you guys think they will listen to us? if they try to fix the game at this time they will admit they cheated on us! so the best way is to leave the WSC for EA Germany to celebrate their winning!!! we need really to stop playing this game unless EA apologizes to us and fix their mistakes
  • Just for the records, EA has nothing to do with this game development any longer, they just host he servers and collect the money, it’s a company called Envision that is incompetent which we hope EA addresses.
  • Mediv88
    16 posts Member
    You wanted to know why we don't comment. Well we are kinda busy fighting 1 vs 5, which takes quite alot of nerves and stamina. But I will try to give a little bit of input. You can believe it or not, its up to you.

    1. Early server start:
    -We decided were to start on Thursday, like every alliance knows. The first person to post in the forum and complain about it, before more damage was done (like buying stuff you don't get refunded) was Koegy.
    -We actually thought Birds has the better POI route, but I guess that's all subjective. You always think the others have the better POI route.

    2. Spring challenge:
    -We all agree that this challenge shouldn't have happened (There was similar, even worse issue on WCS 2015). But what can you do, it started and then you have to be flexible. We knew once its out Envision won't pull back, so you have to deal with it. We also had some big arguments, if we should go back or not. In the end most of us did. And yes it gave us lots of benefits since we used it. But some claims here are not correct. For example Uncle wasn't empty as he went back, he already had 7 days.

    3. Sector relocate bubbles:
    -I agree, it's a very powerful weapon, maybe to powerful. Maybe something should be changed, and I can only support people giving good suggestions. It was and is the biggest advantage you have staying in the middle.
    -While its very powerful, its not the only reason we came into this position we are. You have to know you are still 5, we are one. We have to fight with like 8 ppl against one full alliance on 5-6 fronts. You have 1 front, some can always farm with a part of the alliance. I fear that was the last world an alliance won on its own.

    4. Parachute bug:
    -Yes some of us knew the bug. And yes we also reported this bug months ago. But we didn't want to use it, because we knew once someone uses it, all will use it.
    -Then Novice Allstar's used it first in the South - so the cat was out of the bag, and then we started to us it as well.
    -Everyone is annoyed with it, and it should be removed.

    5. Schaffa knew everything:
    -Ye ye, before Nvidia was told everything from the devs, then it was Mara, then it was Schaffa. Strange....
    -Maybe next time when Novice wins you are the cheaters, who knows :)
  • Jaune23
    29 posts Member
    Mediv88 wrote: »
    You wanted to know why we don't comment. Well we are kinda busy fighting 1 vs 5, which takes quite alot of nerves and stamina. But I will try to give a little bit of input. You can believe it or not, its up to you.

    1. Early server start:
    -We decided were to start on Thursday, like every alliance knows. The first person to post in the forum and complain about it, before more damage was done (like buying stuff you don't get refunded) was Koegy.
    -We actually thought Birds has the better POI route, but I guess that's all subjective. You always think the others have the better POI route.

    2. Spring challenge:
    -We all agree that this challenge shouldn't have happened (There was similar, even worse issue on WCS 2015). But what can you do, it started and then you have to be flexible. We knew once its out Envision won't pull back, so you have to deal with it. We also had some big arguments, if we should go back or not. In the end most of us did. And yes it gave us lots of benefits since we used it. But some claims here are not correct. For example Uncle wasn't empty as he went back, he already had 7 days.

    3. Sector relocate bubbles:
    -I agree, it's a very powerful weapon, maybe to powerful. Maybe something should be changed, and I can only support people giving good suggestions. It was and is the biggest advantage you have staying in the middle.
    -While its very powerful, its not the only reason we came into this position we are. You have to know you are still 5, we are one. We have to fight with like 8 ppl against one full alliance on 5-6 fronts. You have 1 front, some can always farm with a part of the alliance. I fear that was the last world an alliance won on its own.

    4. Parachute bug:
    -Yes some of us knew the bug. And yes we also reported this bug months ago. But we didn't want to use it, because we knew once someone uses it, all will use it.
    -Then Novice Allstar's used it first in the South - so the cat was out of the bag, and then we started to us it as well.
    -Everyone is annoyed with it, and it should be removed.

    5. Schaffa knew everything:
    -Ye ye, before Nvidia was told everything from the devs, then it was Mara, then it was Schaffa. Strange....
    -Maybe next time when Novice wins you are the cheaters, who knows :)

    This comment comes at the right time. Everybody should appreciate it, or at least, the effort to writte an opinion from one of the best players.

    Bravo.
  • Escobar - the problem is not what Envision did or not do. Neither it is about what they admit they did or not. The problem is that Coalition also had discussions with Envision more precisely with Enigm and EE_Elephterion. We have nothing to hide - our discussions were in writing, we have print screens of everything we can prove what was discussed, when and with whom.

    But there is not a single shred of proof about what has, is and might be continuing to go on between Envision and the champions. Koegi writes one thing, Envision other - nothing is written, recorded or in any way documented - we all just suppose to believe them...

    Mediv88 - same point to you - you just speculate and as a proof put couple of complains that Shaffa made towards Envision - well anyone who is a bit smart and is in your shoes - will do exactly the same - complain publicly.

    Another fact for those who still don't get it:

    Do you guys think that any major alliance started randomly and it just "happen" to be that we are all in different sectors? No it is not - Kuchar was negotiation with everyone including Shaffa - which sectors everyone starts on world champ.

    Shaffa knew what sectors Coalition will take - so they could choose from any of the remaining free sectors. Why we did it? Because we wanted to have a gentlemen agreement so that everyone would play one week without any hostile interruptions. Anyone who understands the game - also knows the importance of first week.

    So Coalition is 5 alliances - 5 sectors. Shaffa is 1 main alliance - 1 sector. Statistical probability the coalition as a whole to get the best sector is 5/8 which is 62,50%. Statistical probability of Shaffa to get the best sector is 1/8 which is 12,50 %. Aj aj - not a good one - what to do, what to do...

    World champ pre-opens - pity that no one took a print screen of it the first time it opened - I am still looking for the one who might have done it - Shaffa looks knowing that Coalition will port where we agreed, world champ closes. Opens second time - Shaffa ports to their best sectors...

    Nothing smells fishy?)))

    Regards
    Cross
  • LegionF9
    16 posts Member
    @XCrossover70

    The sectors of all alliances were decided and agreed upon prior to the false-start of the server, and nobody changed their sectors. So potentially learning something from the false-start changed nothing at all in that respect.

    Also, you should realize, if you ever programmed anything, that the false-start world and the actual world must be carbon copies. There is simply not enough time to change something in the world without a huge probability of screwing it up beyond repair.

    So all this probabilistic stuff you talk about is nonsense. The only way something could be wrong about this sector selection is if you accuse the developers of showing schaffa the map well in advance of the start. Which is obviously bogus.
  • Hi all,

    Ye long time no see hope you are all doing well :)

    Ok so cause I was pretty much dragged back into this... and cause I have good friends in both sides that kept me on the loop (without even asking for it, just for the laughs lol) like it or not what Mediv88 said there is 100% accurate + they had some luck, thats about it.
    Keep on complaining here wont get you anywhere, whats done is done, they won, thats that.

    About the challenge and server restarting etc etc.... Ahem... we are talking about TA devs here?

    The same devs that try to change the first letter of a text from lower case to upper case and the game gives a billion script errors.
    The same devs that release an update on their try to fix 1 thing and they brake 50 and send the server offline..... and yea the same devs that couldnt keep t37 online for a week when the server started.

    Now if you think that these utterly incompetent devs werent/arent capable of releasing by accident a challenge on WCS or releasing WCS a few hours earlier, then you arent playing this game long enough.

    Cheers, -Phain
  • Legion - how is it that time after time you fail to understand what I am telling? I will try to be very specific:

    1. I did not say that the sectors of all alliances were derided and agreed upon prior to false-start of the server and that nobody changed their sectors.

    If you read my post properly - I said that Shaffa know which sectors Coalition will take and we agreed that Shaffa can take remaining. This in turn means that Coalition had fixed sectors - Shaffa had free sectors except those where we agreed coalition will start. If you don't get even that - there are 8 sectors, we are 5 in the coalition - we said which 5 we will take - Shaffa could choose from 3 remaining. Is that clear?

    Second point - this was not agreed 5 minutes prior to false start - this was agreed at least 7 days before false start - you are telling me that a week before start of world champ if I own myself Envision - I cannot make benefits for my team? Yes or no - does not matter - presumption is in the air anyway.

    Phain - mate I know you for a long time - I respect you - unfortunately this time you were not in the middle of it - and you have no idea what actually happen - you know the game as good as I do - if you are not there - spending 100 hours per week making all the deals - you cannot see from the side which is which.

    But the point you make - thank you for that - another dagger into Envision who failed time after time do what we pay them to do (through EA) - give us awesome game experience.

    Best Regards
    Cross
  • LegionF9
    16 posts Member
    > @XCrossover70 said:
    > 1. I did not say that the sectors of all alliances were derided and agreed upon prior to false-start of the server and that nobody changed their sectors.

    I did not attribute that statement to you. That is a fact. If you were not aware of it, some of your teammates certainly were. Don't spread falsehoods and then build a strawman under false pretense of not knowing something. You time and again twist "facts" to your agenda. You tell everybody who you don't like to stop talking and that they do not understand the game. It is you who do not understand the game, as is clear from the ongoing wcs. Why should anybody on here believe you, if you get it wrong all the time and have no idea how the game works, or its history.

    Here are just a few examples:
    >>Spring challenge started on world champ - never before it did start on any former World Champion
    Servers.

    Not True. Shows you have no idea about previous world champion servers.

    >>Since Envision started to try to fix things beginning with patch 19.1 (which is not consistent with the spirit of the game and against EA official game commercial) – Devs. making one mistake after another.

    The number of the patch, 19, tells you that there have been a lot of patches before this one. They did not start fixing things overnight here, they have been doing these fixes since the game was introduced, on a regular basis. Whatever they decide to fix - is the definition of the spirit of the game.

    They wanted a fix for pre-hitting since before the previous wcs. They did not have a fix in time, so they introduced morale+fa then (an untested setup that nobody really played before), which effectively did the same thing, made pre-hitting worthless. It was their intent since before last wcs to fix pre-hitting somehow, as would become clear from forum discussions from the time (a pity they switched forum and removed the old forum posts, can't show you evidence here). So finally they brought a patch long awaited by some and dreaded by others.

    >>You know how they say – “Don’t try to fix something that is not broken”. Game was not broken – everyone except champions who got beaten server after server was enjoying.

    You never beat the previous wcs champions. You only beat teams that included a handful of their members. It is a big difference. If you were expecting that you would equally easily challenge even half of the previous champions team (mara did not show up this time), you are delusional.

    >>what is important is that I have the same role as Effe has in Shaffa - I am alliance sponsor

    That effe is Schaffa alliance sponsor is obviously false. If you are a sponsor of some other alliance yourself, and you want to announce that on the forum, it is your right. Everybody will have a good laugh at you.

    >>Taking my sentences out of the context, editing and twisting them and then arguing that modified version is wrong -is that the best you can do?

    I only quoted what you said, omitting irrelevant garbage. The meaning did not change a bit.

    >>But there is not a single shred of proof about what has, is and might be continuing to go on between Envision and the champions. Koegi writes one thing, Envision other - nothing is written, recorded or in any way documented - we all just suppose to believe them...

    Private and public discussions with developers and moderators have always been free for all. First there was a skype group about improvements to the game (this is where the idea of the pte was introduced), then there was a slack group (made by trueadm) where anybody could talk to developers and moderators, privately or publicly as much as they wanted. It died off because you could do the same in the forum. Nobody ever needed any proof of anything. You can still send them private messages on this forum, and I do not require that you show those to me, I couldn't care less. You are the first person I hear that demands, for no good reason, some proof of who talked with whom about what. There is no wrongdoing in people talking about how to improve the game or any other topic really. Private conversations are none of your business. Are you police investigating a crime? On which grounds? Who appointed you? You are a random player, a beginner clearly, and nobody owes you anything.
  • And why do you think that what the individual player or a small group of players tells the developer is the right change? If you communicate in voice in German - this communication is unfair to the rest of the gaming community. The developer can run a survey in different languages ​​in different sections of the forum. If you communicate your personal point of view on the game without taking into account the opinions of others - these are the changes of the game in your personal interests. If these changes occur after repeated losses in the last worlds of the Schafaf team and help it - do you mean that you did not put pressure on the developer? I do not believe...
  • > @sentierorosso said:
    > KaptainKanalie wrote: »
    >
    > Its really funny to read this here.... Game was not broken... hmmm maybe, but what is wrong on "Play the game like it was designed!" . It was never designed to create 25 Preshoot accounts to feed 1 main account (not as far as i understand the game).... its just a way to find exploids...
    > Its so annoying to read the same stuff week per week here.... same with this eastern challenge... Guys there is just 1 fact: you cant manage to kill schaffa with 5 alliances against them... you dont even try it!
    >
    > thats the main Problem, i couldnt see any tactics, any plans from the "coalition" on this wcs... Why not? I dont get it.... Why dont you even havent tried anything? you have attacked us way earlier on the server, 10 guys from every alliance would have been also 50 accounts, then go 1 on 1 on us, but with 50 real accs not this alt-**** u tried in the beginning of the server...
    > 5 alliances have 5 x more rt, 5 x more cp and could gain 5 x more rt from the challenge (the challenge was usable for everyone as far as i know ;-) ).
    >
    > i mean its not over yet, but now u have to have a real good plan if u wanna win it...
    >
    > Just my 2cents...
    >
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    >
    > apart from that maybe you still haven't understood the rules of the game, when you kill the fortress the question is:
    > have you won any world against us? (TTD I mean) I only remember that you ran away from 32 and 37 ......... and maybe even from 23 ....... but who do you think you are now that you play with envision defense lawyers?

    I only played 2 worlds against ttd, 32 and 37, both worlds are with massive preshooting, before tib 32 i didnt even know
    who is TTD , maybe it also because i made a gamebreak for a year nearly, I mean if u play aganinst an alliance which is using this Preshooting ****, it is very hard to win against this without using it by yourself, I mean u will know why u want to use every time, every server. And Yes I lost both worlds finally, but we tried to fight u without preshooting, it was hard an in the end senseless. So what? My question for u is: Have u ever won a server without preshooting? (this is an honest question , no Provokation, as i said i dont remember ttd from the time before my break) Wining a PVP battle by having the strongest accounts with 30 days rt in the center (with preshooting u dont have to use much rt) is not a hard thing, take a look at Sanna, he is in my oppinion the best in playing with preshooting, (he played it really well in the past!) , he is a good PVP-Player when he has the strongest account, but to be honest ( maybe it sounds disrespectfull, but thats not my attention!) that doenst need any tactical skillz, it just pure strenght of the account. Tak, Koegy and also Mediv are some of the best PVP-Players in this game. they have always plan a, b, c d, e, and so on for nearly every move the enemy can do, before the enemy does it. That is the reason why things are like they are on the wcs...
    But i get it, we are just some noobs which can only win because EA/Envision/devs/the Pope/Donald Trump/ and woever else wants us to do...
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