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An issue of concern: Developer and Player relationships

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  • these Schaffa guys are funny, they keep getting mad and ranting about stuff off topic. only guilty people do that lol.
  • lol my favorite post is gamerdruid's

    gamerdruid: 'the most important thing to remember is that i had nothing to do with this, wasn't involved, and didnt know about it beforehand' :D:D:D
  • nuubal wrote: »
    Answer me just one question: Do you like using a massive amount of alts to push a main account?

    We know kOeGy likes it--using multies that is. But doesn't like it when others do it because they did it better? And he would go to the moon and back to deny it like the rest of his followers.

    Deny this all you want. We know you used them in Tib37 to prehit bases. There's actually a technical way to prove this but we'd have to ask the devs for help.

    @kOeGy (or Rolsei or whatever the real player name is):
    Here's the funny part, you got handled in Tib37 by players you call noobs who you blame for cheating yet you yourself used this same so-called cheat and on top of that admitted violating the ToS by sharing your login.
    SORRY FOR TRYING TO HELP ALL LEGAL PLAYERS.

    Oh, we should thank you guys then for trying to help the rest of those that got victimize as a direct result from your complaints. Well, is there proof that's what really transpired when the devs got on your TS and nothing more? Or should we just take your answers at face value and trust that's what really happened?

    Because that seems to be what you're saying here; i.e. that we should just trust the guys who are led by a CiC who is a hypocrite, lies, accuse others of cheating yet he does it himself, and calls everyone else names/noobs.

    I just have one question--if you are really trying to help the team-based players, why didn't you just post your suggestions in the public forums instead of inviting the devs privately? That why others can chime in.

    Going back to the topic: this is why devs should not partake in any discussion unless it is recorded (written or verbal) and the results can be made public.
  • kOeGy
    18 posts Member
    LOL!

    You are still funny.. Did you guys ever do pvp in the game? And do you know, that it doesn't work with subscription? So you never logged in someone's account and defended him? Nahh, ofc you didnt, you called him "buddy, you get attacked, come online ASAP" :D

    I know im acting arrogant and stuff.. But if you dont have any homour, i cant help either! Im a honest and direct person.. On tib 37, not only tdd and legends were noobs in my opinion, but ugly eagle as well.. And am i wrong? Dont think so.. Is it our/my fault, that you ppl NEED to go for an advantage to win a world? And did you just say, that the patch 19.1 was made for us? So wait, you agreed that u prefer a world where a player can play a whole alliance by himself? Funny again, i guess.. the only sad thing about this is, that you never tasted your own medicine :/

    What the game shoud be: Everone should play his own account, make the best and most effective out of his 240cp/24h repairtime a day, without getting helped by mutliaccounts or abusing exploits or what ever. If you cant manage to get 50 ppl into your alliance, then join another one, make new friends like in any other onlinegame!

    WCS 2015 was ****, but again you said we knew from the bug and abused it

    Locking was ****, killed the real sense of pvp in this game

    preshooting bases was fixed, Players who never reached the top10 before, have the biggest accounts because of not having only 240cp a day, no they had 1,2k to 2,4k cp a day (multi account and account pushing) got fixed!

    And now tell me, were the fixes bad? Why are the only ppl who cry about "teamplay is dead", the ppl who did preshooting and multiaccount using en masse?
    We have our own medium players, who often misscalculate how many attacks they need for a base, it happened so often that some ppl need to abort the base, even there was only the CY left with 50% hp..
    the fun fact: tib 38 is a moral world, the WCS wont have moral (funny, all germans voted for moral, you guys against..+ the us "favoring" mods/developers talked with us in our ts.. oh wait, maybe they arent favoring us? Maybe they just wanted to rely on our experience with the new patch and ideas how to improve it? Now again you think in our favor.. like the rulesetting for the WCS :D? We had a dream, and i was near to crying when i read "no morale".)

    Huge respect for the devs to bear all these accusations and still beeing friendly and helpful :)
  • if nVidia / Mara / Schafa loses another server, will you change the rules of the game again?
    will you keep changing the rules of the game so that only your favorites can win?
  • FelsnamroN
    4 posts New member
    All have the same rules on the same game... but:
    If you loose, devs are guilty.
    If another wins, devs are guilty.
    If your milk is empty, devs are guilty.

    sry peeps. But the talks are useless. 2 parts talked on a TS, they said sry and now its done. Idk why you talk further about past things. Noone can undo it. WCS will start, prepare for it and all is fine.
    And dont blame the winner. If you loose, try to learn how to play. If you wont learn something dont blame the winner oder devs for your no skills.
  • nuubal
    40 posts Member
    Snake_X0X0 wrote: »
    This is a topic that’s come up before, but the reveal of an ongoing developer/player relationship has given it new importance. One example is the German sector script that was used by Nvidia/Schaffa for years before being accidentally leaked to the rest of the community. In addition to the recent script leak, the formula for sectoring was also eventually given in the forum, but this doesn’t explain how the German script-writer got the exact math years before anyone else did. Also, Schaffa’s detailed mathematical knowledge of the mechanics behind tunnels can have only been gained through inside sources.

    Which script is it? Can you send it to me? I always calculate it by myself. Average distance to the center of all bases and add about 40 field to it. More or less a good value. But dont think that this is the formula used for relocation ^^
  • when I lose game creators do not change the rules of the game and I do not cry

    when losing nVidia / Schaffa / Mara - always the creators change the rules of the game - INTERESTING
  • News : before Wcs start new patch 19.2: only player with WCS badge can partecipate:-) and kOeGy is happy can win other badge :-)
    Around 37 Dear kOeGy you are hypocrite and liar: you used the alts for 10 days like all others.
    I have another tip for you for the next developer meeting, can add rule: no one with 37 badge can partecipate and I think you can win :-)
    Regards.
  • sentierorosso
    87 posts Member
    edited March 2019
    If developer team a this point wants to remove any doubt in all those who are not part of mara / shaffa who are the majority has only one chance: ELIMINATE THE LAST PATCH.
    Otherwise ALL we will think that you have only followed their requests, this is a war game and changing the rules by listening only a part, adapting the game to their style means that the referee becomes a player and this is not regular.
    But I think developer team not read this proposal ahahahah
  • nuubal
    40 posts Member
    If developer team a this point wants to remove any doubt in all those who are not part of mara / shaffa who are the majority has only one chance: ELIMINATE THE LAST PATCH.
    Otherwise ALL we will think that you have only followed their requests, this is a war game and changing the rules by listening only a part, adapting the game to their style means that the referee becomes a player and this is not regular.
    But I think developer team not read this proposal ahahahah

    But you Saw that several groups of Players requested a Change against using multiaccounts?
    There is only one Group of people who hate this Patch. The users who need that to Play in top ranks. Personally i would have no Problem with removing that Patch from wcs. Like i said, average Players with Tons of Alts will be still average Players when the top Players will also massivly use it. And trust me, we know how to use it. You always blame use for everything, but in total we are just good enough to adopt strategies the fastest. Everyone always had exactly the same Information. Some knows how to handle it and some Not. That is all.
  • Are you guys for real? Can we please also invite devs for a talk to our discord where there are CiC:s who currently represent around 700 active players on t37 ?

    This is bad - very bad - and the way it came out is also a bad one.

    I am not playing with multy accounts - that at least Nuubal and Co. cannot accuse me, but the patched killed all collective base killing. What is the point of having a 50 people alliances if there is no point for them to help each other?

    And I also saw how "champions" played on tib 30 - couple of guys are digging in front - rest are standing and farming outposts - yeah - for this style patch is great - for everyone else - who do play as an alliance it is the opposite of great. If before - you shout loud in alliance chat - "Guys - I need some help" - you heard - "Sure - I can give a couple attacks on your base." After patch 19.1 you will most probably here "F off - there is nothing for me in it".

    Really great job you devs did to help Nuubal and Koegy.

    P.S. And yes - I do know that you are stealing our players.
  • nuubal wrote: »
    If developer team a this point wants to remove any doubt in all those who are not part of mara / shaffa who are the majority has only one chance: ELIMINATE THE LAST PATCH.
    Otherwise ALL we will think that you have only followed their requests, this is a war game and changing the rules by listening only a part, adapting the game to their style means that the referee becomes a player and this is not regular.
    But I think developer team not read this proposal ahahahah

    But you Saw that several groups of Players requested a Change against using multiaccounts?
    There is only one Group of people who hate this Patch. The users who need that to Play in top ranks. Personally i would have no Problem with removing that Patch from wcs. Like i said, average Players with Tons of Alts will be still average Players when the top Players will also massivly use it. And trust me, we know how to use it. You always blame use for everything, but in total we are just good enough to adopt strategies the fastest. Everyone always had exactly the same Information. Some knows how to handle it and some Not. That is all.

    Why do you think the others are noobs? This leads you to be considered bad by everyone but it is only my opinion.
    Look at my badges, I won tib 6 and tib 23 without using alts.
    In 37 and 32 I used 2, not 10 like KoGey.
    Do you think you are the champions and the others of the noobs?
    It is not so
  • nuubal
    40 posts Member
    edited March 2019
    If before - you shout loud in alliance chat - "Guys - I need some help" - you heard - "Sure - I can give a couple attacks on your base." After patch 19.1 you will most probably here "F off - there is nothing for me in it".

    Exactly! That Was the topic of our discussion with the envision guys. All we did was to talk about how to get the teamplay back. As i said earlier, i would have implemented a different solution. But - even if you think so - i cant decide what the Design Team and the developers Do.

    Another question. Have you posted your thoughts about this on the forum? Or are you just complaining now?

    And no, we are not stealing your Players. Your Players asked us to Play with us. That is a huge difference
  • nuubal wrote: »
    If before - you shout loud in alliance chat - "Guys - I need some help" - you heard - "Sure - I can give a couple attacks on your base." After patch 19.1 you will most probably here "F off - there is nothing for me in it".

    Exactly! That Was the topic of our discussion with the envision guys. All we did was to talk about how to get the teamplay back. As i said earlier, i would have implemented a different solution. But - even if you think so - i cant decide what the Design Team and the developers Do.

    Another question. Have you posted your thoughts about this on the forum? Or are you just complaining now?

    The problem is that you are not credible, answer my question: why did they talk only with you?
    We represent perhaps over 700 players, why did not they call a TS session with everyone?
    When the referee does not listen to everyone he is no longer a referee but he becomes a player himself.
    That's all.
  • I am not a conspiracy type of person - but facts are as follows:

    T30 - champions are dead - patching, patching, patching
    T35 - champions are dead - more patching, patching patching.
    T37 - champions are dead - more patching, patching, patching, patching.

    That at least no one can argue with.

    And on top of that it came out that devs are frequently talking with you in your TS?
  • nuubal
    40 posts Member
    nuubal wrote: »
    If before - you shout loud in alliance chat - "Guys - I need some help" - you heard - "Sure - I can give a couple attacks on your base." After patch 19.1 you will most probably here "F off - there is nothing for me in it".

    Exactly! That Was the topic of our discussion with the envision guys. All we did was to talk about how to get the teamplay back. As i said earlier, i would have implemented a different solution. But - even if you think so - i cant decide what the Design Team and the developers Do.

    Another question. Have you posted your thoughts about this on the forum? Or are you just complaining now?

    The problem is that you are not credible, answer my question: why did they talk only with you?
    We represent perhaps over 700 players, why did not they call a TS session with everyone?
    When the referee does not listen to everyone he is no longer a referee but he becomes a player himself.
    That's all.

    Have you asked them for a Ts Meeting? Did you write them in the forum or Private message?
  • I am not a conspiracy type of person - but facts are as follows:

    T30 - champions are dead - patching, patching, patching
    T35 - champions are dead - more patching, patching patching.
    T37 - champions are dead - more patching, patching, patching, patching.

    That at least no one can argue with.

    And on top of that it came out that devs are frequently talking with you in your TS?

    Add T32 :-)
  • exactly XCrossover70 - 100% truth

    just because Koegi and the company could win the WCS, the creators of the game destroy the cooperation of the whole alliance, help with burning the base loses meaning - all this to Schaff win the WCS again because all the servers lose

    from what I read it looks like this:

    Admin arrives to Koegi

    Admin asks - Koegi what can we do to stop losing and win the WCS
    Koegi - destroy multi-accounts
    Admin - but it will destroy the cooperation of the alliance, cooperation of the whole alliance
    Koegi - but I want to win the WSC, I can not lose again
    Admin - but you have multi-accounts yourself
    Koegi - yes, but others use them better than me
    Admin - OK, we will change it. Can I help you win the WCS somehow?
    Koegi - when I start to lose, we will meet again and say what to change so that I can win
    Admin - OK
  • nuubal
    40 posts Member
    I am not a conspiracy type of person - but facts are as follows:

    T30 - champions are dead - patching, patching, patching
    T35 - champions are dead - more patching, patching patching.
    T37 - champions are dead - more patching, patching, patching, patching.

    That at least no one can argue with.

    And on top of that it came out that devs are frequently talking with you in your TS?

    Frequently? 4 Times in 6 years? Lol.
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