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For centuries now your users have complained about how alts ruin this game. Yet, there is nothing you have done about it other than diminishing returns on bases hit by multiple players... which really hurts team play and actually promotes the use of alts.

To everyone who uses alts including myself - stop. All you do is pre-hit bases. How does that prove your skill?

The game is really broken and its a shame because under the right circumstances this game once promoted team play and was fun as hell.

Happy New Year.

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  • gamerdruid
    4697 posts Moderator
    Happy New Year to you too. Many agree, alts have slowly killed the fun in this game. Unfortunately while they are perceived to offer advantages (or do offer them) they will continue to be used by some.
    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
  • ya we got people coming in here complaining about it and then doing the same thing themselves. tokenting, uub, these guys are a genuine case in point. repeating the same things they complained about in the previous server, it allows them to dominate in a server where the top ten alliances consist of 6-8 cooperating teams its just no different. project or projekt take your pic, its been an entire year straight that i have not been able to enjoy a server because they are always one sided with no competition. i dont see any new servers being any different, im sure there will be a new FA no morale project server coming soon, not interested.
  • The developer's position is unique. Yes, we know that something is killing the game, but we will not change anything. The problem is fixed so simply that it seems that it is not fixed on purpose.
  • Corni58
    7 posts New member
    why not simply divide the number of resources according to the number of attacks on the base
    players 1 4 attacks and player 2 6 attacks suddenly the player takes 4/10 of the resources and player 2 6/10 which allows a team game to be put back
    sorry google translate
  • gamerdruid
    4697 posts Moderator
    edited January 2
    Until the final attack the system wouldn't know how many attacks are going to be made.
    Player one makes 4 consecutive attacks and another player comes along and makes one to kill the base. How does the system know that there are going to be 5 attacks?

    Player one makes an attack, Player two makes an attack then player 3 comes along and makes 4 more to kill the base. How does the system know in advance what is going to happen?

    In all cases, the system can't predict who is going to attack next nor what the total number of attacks is going to be.

    The only way anything like this would work is for the system to record the number of attacks and amount of damage until a base is killed and only release the resources after the base is killed. If it is never killed, then no resources released.

    Unfortunately using alts for killing bases isn't their only misuse!
    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
  • gamerdruid, Do not give resources for the base that is beaten by more than one player and there will be no alts. The game will turn from a broken into a working one. Some players will find it difficult to play as they have lost all their skills using alts)))
  • gamerdruid wrote: »
    Unfortunately using alts for killing bases isn't their only misuse!

    That is perhaps the most disturbing thing. Alts have a variety of misuses... killing an alt to take territory in a difficult spot, covering poi, using alts as pvp, test sector jumps, spying... the list goes on and on. I suppose I have delusions of grandeur but I dream it should be possible to enforce the one account rule in 2022.

    Perhaps, the technology simply doesn't exist.

  • Chad joins every server with 4 alts and then name drops me. I have never complained about alts in general ,the only complaint I had was a WCS with no competition.

    i'm perfectly happy to have no alts if chad gets rid of his, i just use mine for pvp fun.
  • gamerdruid
    4697 posts Moderator
    Perhaps, the technology simply doesn't exist.
    I believe it is a blunt instrument that does exist in EA's arsenal (not EE's) that they choose not to use. The nearest we've got is their system to check fraudulent use as outlined in other threads. This has made logging in with 10+ alts more difficult, but not impossible with technical knowledge of the likely checks they make.
    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
  • gamerdruid it is the simplest and most effective tool. Even one alt gives a huge advantage in skillful hands and you are here talking about 10. It's ridiculous to listen to all this to be honest. You breed noobs who think they are great players. You yourself worsen the financial result by allowing this tool, you just do not understand it yet.
  • Duplicate IP blocking will deter a majority of people in my opinion. Yes there may be a few casualties i.e people in the same family playing ( get a life) or two people playing within shared apartment block or some other nonsense, these corner cases should not deter the use of IP blocking.






  • gamerdruid
    4697 posts Moderator
    tokenting wrote: »
    Duplicate IP blocking will deter a majority of people in my opinion. Yes there may be a few casualties i.e people in the same family playing ( get a life) or two people playing within shared apartment block or some other nonsense, these corner cases should not deter the use of IP blocking.
    There are more sophisticated ways than simple IP blocking. IP blocking will stop anyone in a college/university hall of residence as they are typically all on the same external IP. The sophisticated ways would only stop individuals using the same computer. I won't go into details!
    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
  • tokenting
    92 posts Member
    edited January 3
    if they are at uni then they should be studying, not all playing tiberium alliances, they should be blocked as a matter of principle. Two dweebs playing c&c and being at the same university campus at same time is a very unrealistic scenario to me especially considering the number of ppl who play this game. If there is a more sophisticated method, please do it and lets end this debate once and for all.

  • Kinshasa551
    156 posts Member
    edited January 3
    somebody already mentioned the solution: you only get ressources for bases by shooting alone. As soon as a 2nd account is involved = 0 ressources.

    Don´t complicate it. It´s probably one hour of work.
  • tokenting wrote: »
    if they are at uni then they should be studying, not all playing tiberium alliances, they should be blocked as a matter of principle. Two dweebs playing c&c and being at the same university campus at same time is a very unrealistic scenario to me especially considering the number of ppl who play this game. If there is a more sophisticated method, please do it and lets end this debate once and for all.

    Bro what the actual **** are you talking about... at first i will never understand how you are the n.1 project enemy , but you and your friends are also playing with alt´s and if project is playing with 5 alliances they are killing the game , if your team does it , it´s nice i guess? You need some serious reality check...
    But holy **** hwo the **** do you think you are talk **** like "student or anyone else shouldn´t play this game" , yo shut up you are not the main character in this game you act like the boss with your 5alliance prehit team and shoot every day against another 5alliance prehit team so maybe better use your time to go to a doctor and heck if everything with your head is fine...
  • you all just cry about project... maybe wait and hope that bruell is quitting after wcs i mean he got everything he ever wanted , he won the laziest server of all time with his 500 player team and now he could be happy and we got luck and he will leave this game so we can finally play normal fa worlds... never forgett that we shouldn´t change this whole game for ONE alliance...
  • tokenting wrote: »
    Chad joins every server with 4 alts and then name drops me. I have never complained about alts in general ,the only complaint I had was a WCS with no competition.

    i'm perfectly happy to have no alts if chad gets rid of his, i just use mine for pvp fun.

    im not going to argue in forum about it, but your posts are still there. i play alone and my alts are all named thurston to easily identify them. ive already quit that server dude its all yours.
  • tokenting wrote: »
    Duplicate IP blocking will deter a majority of people in my opinion. Yes there may be a few casualties i.e people in the same family playing ( get a life) or two people playing within shared apartment block or some other nonsense, these corner cases should not deter the use of IP blocking.






    i strongly agree, there are no 2 players using the same IP. out of almost 8 billion people worldwide we can barely get 1500 in a server and your telling me some people might have the same ip due to reasons? i think not but maybe and you know i think its too bad for those people but alts do need to go. i honestly enjoy playing alone though and it is useful to have a few extra accounts i can depend on. after 10 years playing this ive seen everything this community has to offer and all the tricks in the book and thats why i prefer to play alone. i normally wouldnt agree with someone like this but chris is also right, project/projekt and what is going on in every other non FA world is the same thing. its always been 5 alliances vs 1 at a time because nobody has a chance to learn how to play except for the same few teams that have won every server for years now. its not that there are no players left its just that the majority of players all know each other and play together so regardless of how many players there are in the server this wont change ever now. the only solutions to this are starting more servers so we have more options on which type of environment to play in or less badges given away to reduce mass cooperation. you cant tell me a new player coming into the game is going to learn how to play when they are wiped off the map in a week by the ever present dominating forces of project and projekt in each server.
  • you all just cry about project... maybe wait and hope that bruell is quitting after wcs i mean he got everything he ever wanted , he won the laziest server of all time with his 500 player team and now he could be happy and we got luck and he will leave this game so we can finally play normal fa worlds... never forgett that we shouldn´t change this whole game for ONE alliance...

    we wont suddenly have more players to go against project in a FA no malus world. im sorry but that part of the game is over, i realize that new players still start late there in those types and i have noticed some project players going out of their way to put on a new charm offensive since reading this forum and realizing what they have done in t53 and wcs is kinda bad for the game state. but its far too late to ever have a real competitive environment in this game anymore without giving new players a chance to learn and enjoy all facets of the game while being competitive. so maybe make new player servers or easier servers that require less skill and are more balanced in terms of progression. things like reducing poi bonus, changing the forgotten base spawning system to make those defense layouts easier for everyone to kill and shortening the distance to center so that more players can interact in the higher levels of the game as well. as it is i think what will happen is that the project players will be left alone on FA servers, while the majority of cooperating projekt players will continue to start and likely win all the rest of the non FA servers. w28 is not different either, all the players in the top teams know each other and lay together on other servers. this might be hard to understand but normal people like winning or at least having a chance.
  • gamerdruid
    4697 posts Moderator
    i strongly agree, there are no 2 players using the same IP. out of almost 8 billion people worldwide we can barely get 1500 in a server and your telling me some people might have the same ip due to reasons?
    There are plenty father/son combinations that actually play for fun and have their own computers so can play at the same time. They will have the same external IP.


    I am not an employee of EA/Envision. The views expressed are my own!
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