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Could this be the worst Madden ever ?

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Ive been a long time player for Madden games. I loved the old ones on the old Nintendos when youd create a player and put them through camp to decide their stats. Tapping A and B super fast for speed. Ah the good old days. Theres only been one year I didnt buy Madden and that was in 2014 I believe. Had medical bills to pay and couldnt afford it. To be honest I am seriously wishing I hadnt bought it this year. It is such a waste of money. I dont believe any single game has ever disappointed me so much.

The good: -Graphics
-The ability to edit the draft potentials

The Bad:
- Same old lame ignorant lazy horribly created teams when wanting to move a team doing franchise mode. Why do we have the EXACT same team and uniforms and basically all the exact same choices as the last few years. Can EA not come up with anything new ? Some of the uniform choices are just outright hideous.

-The exact same horrible blocking during run plays and special teams receiving plays. The run blocking I thought was supposed to get better. It didnt. Im still getting tackled for 1 yard losses after the AI only rushes 3 or 4 because my guys simple are not blocking. Heck they arent even trying. I cant count the number of times my lineman and tight ends have been 15 yards downfield doing who knows what while Im getting tackled at the line of scrimmage. Or ill try and run through a hole only to have my lineman just give up his block the moment I get near him. The AI run blocks well. They actually hold their blocks until the play is over. Why can my guys not do the same ?

-Watching AI defenders with their back to the ball somehow magically make plays they have no business making. Lobbing a ball to a deep receiver to have a AI linebacker bat it down by jumping 30 feet in the air with his back turned. Or watching my receiver completely burn past a cornerback down the sideline so I lob a deep perfect pass only to have the corner get this burst of speed at the last moment and close a 5 yard gap in less than a second to bat it down to intercept. Or how about that safety that can cover the entire field for the AI defense ? Man he's fast. Can cover 3 or 4 guys all at the same time with speed that would probably rated in the 200s by Madden standards. AI linebackers can do this too. Its awesome watching a power rush linebacker with 78 speed somehow get put on Deandre Hopkins. So I adjust the route to cover the mismatch. Send Hopkins streaking down the field one on one with a linebacker. Somehow magically that LB can cover him stride for stride as I lob the ball 50 yards downfield to have the LB bat it down or intercept. Would my LB ever be able to do this? Hell no. My cornerbacks can barely do it 10% of the time. The AI is vastly overpowered and NOT realistic.

-Kind of goes with my last point but human reaction time. How come my defense will hesitate or get faked out by a counter run, or playaction, or a pump fake. The AI defense doesnt. Its realistic and should be on both sides. A counter or play action should freeze the linebackers. Not just mine but the AI as well but it doesnt. The AI never falls for a fake. In fact the AI knows what the play is the exact moment you hike the ball. If its a run they know exactly which way the runs going. If its a pass the exact second you pass the ball their entire teams drops what they are doing and crashes towards the intended receiver and alot of times can get their before the ball does. But only the AI does this. The AI displays no human reaction time. It reacts like a computer and instantly knows every single situation. This desperatly needs to be fixed. I have been waiting for this to be addressed for years. Again my guys react like humans would. The AI NEVER does.

- Injuries. My god really EA ? Are you really this incompetent ? This should be easy. Instead first game of the season and I have 4 starters out for the game before halftime. By the end of the game I had 9 starters and 3 backups all out for 7-10 games. By the second game I had so many injuries I couldnt play. I would have had to put all those guys that would be coming back on IR just so I could sign a bunch of 50s and 60s to my team. And 50s and 60s only play like all stars when their on the AI. Never for your team. Fix this EA. Geez we go through this crap every year.

-How about how during fieldgoals you actually know ahead of time its about to be blocked? Soon as you hike the balls no one moves. They always give the AI blocker a split second to get around the line and then the ball is hiked resulting in a block. You can actually feel it. Its so stupid.

Im sorry EA but your Madden games keep getting worse and worse. Are you even trying anymore? Do you even care ? Im going to assume not. You have no competition. Your blatant disrespect to your customer base by creating a monoply on the sport game product only shows you have zero intention of ever putting out a seriously thought out product. I for one will not be buying next years Madden. I know that means nothing to you. But it does to me. I love football. Just have to find another way to get my fix. If only I could get a refund.






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  • This is a very constructive post. I would love to see anyone that disagrees with any of this. And I would really love a response from EA to this. If it is by design, then I desperately want an explanation as to WHY the cpu ai players are so different than human ai players. Please, let's see some transparency and explain why, if indeed it is how the designers envisioned this game to be.
  • EA would rather put tape and a nose ring on 1 player then put more resources on game play and fixing broken features it seems....
  • Oldpro088
    28 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    This game gets worst each year! When you try and add too much into the game without making sure it works, this is the end result! I have been playing this game since 93! Wow it’s awful! Im not impressed with the graphics. EA doesn’t care to make a quality game. Bottom line people are growing tired of their excuses!!!
  • It is second worse, M13 was the worst by far!!! I am trying to work with M19, but the problems are numerous. Backs that cut back instead of running to the open lane, having to call timeouts because half the D-line shifts to the sideline instead adjusting to my controller input. After seeing the CPU run a WR screen where the WR just stands there after the catch, I dare not try one. Announcers calling the wrong team with the ball. There is much more, but I am not here to bash.
  • Pervy_Sage50mm
    2 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    I certainly can't disagree with anything that was said in this post. I've been waiting for years for a madden to be released on pc and this is what we get. All you did was make it so you could get the MUT money from pc players too. Instead of making the game play realistic and immersive you spend it adding more stuff to buy. Playing the cpu is worse than somebody running the reverse play bug on you in techmo bowl. Was going to buy the game, now I am just glad that I only paid $15 for a month of premier to try it. Will be canceling.
  • tmaco13
    6 posts New member
    In comparison to 16,17, and 18 I believe this game is a step ahead of these. While run blocking is bad, I have not tried it post patch...so until then I can not argue for or against the run block.
  • Ive purchased every game every year. This would be 2nd to worst in my opinion. 13 edges it out. Barely.
  • This is a very constructive post. I would love to see anyone that disagrees with any of this. And I would really love a response from EA to this. If it is by design, then I desperately want an explanation as to WHY the cpu ai players are so different than human ai players. Please, let's see some transparency and explain why, if indeed it is how the designers envisioned this game to be.
    the problem is PLAYERS don't activate they let the CPU play defense for them, in fact they even let the CPU call their plays for them. madden needs to incorporate like FIFA you have to control a man in the area of action. I returned a punt and broke 5 tackles not one was a HUMAN controlled defender. so what was my opponent doing during all of this. and this in a nutshell is the problem with MADDEN NOW . the CPU plays better than the USER controlled man.
  • moe71 wrote: »
    This is a very constructive post. I would love to see anyone that disagrees with any of this. And I would really love a response from EA to this. If it is by design, then I desperately want an explanation as to WHY the cpu ai players are so different than human ai players. Please, let's see some transparency and explain why, if indeed it is how the designers envisioned this game to be.
    the problem is PLAYERS don't activate they let the CPU play defense for them, in fact they even let the CPU call their plays for them. madden needs to incorporate like FIFA you have to control a man in the area of action. I returned a punt and broke 5 tackles not one was a HUMAN controlled defender. so what was my opponent doing during all of this. and this in a nutshell is the problem with MADDEN NOW . the CPU plays better than the USER controlled man.

    I understand a lot of people play Madden online and treat it as a "video game", after all, that's what it is. But some people do enjoy playing as a football simulation, playing franchise vs the CPU. It's not about "activating". There's 11 defenders on the field. All 11 players on the cpu team react differently than the a.i. controlled players on the human team. It is impossible to control all 11 players, obviously. And I for one, did not play football in real life. So if I take control of a corner, I have no idea how to "read" plays and react accordingly, and cover the proper route. That's why players have ratings. Some of us have no desire to show off "stick skills", but instead to call the plays and out think the opponent, putting our skilled players in the proper position. To some of us, that is the core essence of football, to coach our favorite team. Not just mash buttons and play a video game.
  • From all of the updates they are having to push, it sounds like they need to test the product better before it's released.
  • Ok. Let's just back up here. Yes... I know this game is far from perfection. For me, personally, it is a matter of adjusting your expectations. I know... $60, blah, blah, blah... it's the only game... yada, yada, yada. Despite all of that, let's be honest... when you buy the game in august, you know what you're getting... I certainly do.

    But if you want to play a bad game, go back to Madden 06 and the one where that fight for the fumble nonsense was the headliner feature. Those were some bad games.
  • [
    I understand a lot of people play Madden online and treat it as a "video game", after all, that's what it is. But some people do enjoy playing as a football simulation, playing franchise vs the CPU. It's not about "activating". There's 11 defenders on the field. All 11 players on the cpu team react differently than the a.i. controlled players on the human team. It is impossible to control all 11 players, obviously. And I for one, did not play football in real life. So if I take control of a corner, I have no idea how to "read" plays and react accordingly, and cover the proper route. That's why players have ratings. Some of us have no desire to show off "stick skills", but instead to call the plays and out think the opponent, putting our skilled players in the proper position. To some of us, that is the core essence of football, to coach our favorite team. Not just mash buttons and play a video game. [/quote]

    if you only can call plays you are only doing half the work. and its not button mashing when you USER pick someone. its skill or when you USER hit someone to cause a fumble. calling the right play is essential but its only half the work if you are watching the CPU play. And of course there are 11 defenders I only ask you ACTIVATE the man nearest the ball not the one furthest away from the ball.
  • hibbadyskibbady
    111 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    moe71 wrote: »
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    if you only can call plays you are only doing half the work. and its not button mashing when you USER pick someone. its skill or when you USER hit someone to cause a fumble. calling the right play is essential but its only half the work if you are watching the CPU play. And of course there are 11 defenders I only ask you ACTIVATE the man nearest the ball not the one furthest away from the ball.

    I get what you're saying. I really do, I just don't enjoy rushing for 200 yards every game, or having 5 defensive picks every game. That may be an impressive "skill" for some people. Personally I'm not asking for my players to play "better" and to help me win games. The post was about how different the cpu a.i. players react. Sure, I can switch to the closest defender in coverage, but he's still 10 yards away because he didn't react before I took control of him the same way a cpu defender would react. You're not focusing on the point of the post. I'm 41 and have been playing Madden since the first ever game. I stopped taking control of players in order to have a more challenging, realistic experience. If my RB sucks, I don't want my "skills" to make him the best RB in the league. Some people enjoy that. I actually enjoy watching my RB get stuffed and only get 40 yards in a game because that's realistic, if I have an average to below average RB. Switching to the closest defender after the ball is thrown does not make my defenders play zone the way they are supposed to. Style of play, or "skill" doesn't change the fact that there is a huge difference between how the a.i. reacts for the CPU compared to the human teams. If you don't care about realism, and you want the hardest game possible, then crappy a.i. accomplishes that. I, and others, prefer realistic difficulty, not just blatant a.i. cheating to make the game harder. That's the point, in my humble opinion.
  • I'm 47 and been playing madden since he was on the cover and EA sports was called EASN. I don't think no amount of user skill can make up for a poor rating player but then at the same time they are all professional football players and are capable on any given sunday to shine. The CPU has always been privileged too animations that a USER cant do. every since the introduction to A.I this is where the game has been headed. I like the days before A.I when you had to hit the button to raise your hands on defense. I agree I would rather prefer a realistic difficulty instead of a CPU A.I on steroids and that's all that the ALL MADDEN level is.
  • Supposedly the new "simulation" setting was supposed to provide players like myself with a realistic challenge that has players play to their ratings. And admittedly, I have enjoyed Madden more since they added that. Some of us just have unrealistic expectations, is all. The end result of the game seems a bit more on par to real games, as far as yardage and points. It's just how the game goes about getting us there is still unrealistic. I might throw 2 pics in a game, which is quite realistic, what's not realistic is the mlb is the only one that gets those pics. So yeah... It's frustrating, but I just pretend I didn't see what I just saw.
  • I enjoy madden online is fun because everyone has their own style of play and figuring out what your opponent like to do and taking it away is fun. I only play with Giants 20-22.
  • IDirtY_SeCreT
    3 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    This game has the same awful mechanics like Madden on Smartphones. Sometimes the game definitely wants you to fail no matter what you do or who rediculous it looks. It's definitely true, the AI knows everything you do in advance, your only chance is having the right call against the AI Formation to create missmatches.
    O-Liners running away instead of blocking, DBs or LBs teleporting into your pass, WRs doing one hand catches all the time, AI QBs hitting just every pass on 3rd downs in one drive while you cant do 🎃🎃🎃🎃 and the list goes on. The end result might be right, but making compromises to get there just isn't the right way and annoying to people who play this game, since it makes no sense. But I don't think the devs can or want to change that...
    FIFAs AI might be bad in some situations but Madden's is a joke :D

    Edited to remove swearing. - EA_Cian
    Post edited by EA_Cian on
  • This is by far the worst, u can’t challenge plays, but they have it on the game, the player motion is only on offense, i can go on and on, this is prbly the last madden I’ll buy
  • This game is horrid. The solo battles for MUT are god awful due to the ai. Mechanics are still bad. Waste of $60. Find it funny its already $39.99. Itll be 19.99 NIB by Black Friday and still wont sell.
  • Unless you love mut and spending thousands on a game you already purchased..... stay away. I wish i could return it. I prefer a root canal over this.
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