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Ball Carrier Moves Do Not Work

The Ball Carrier Moves in Madden 21 does not work properly at all. The Juke move has the animation of a juke move but it doesn't fake no one out. Especially in the open field. Unless the Ball Carrier has an angle on the defender, there is no way that the ball carrier can get extra yards. Again it seems the the Ball Carrier moves are nerfed down to help the defense instead of the game being fix. I mean seriously EA, what the hell is wrong you guys? Can't you ever just fix the game instead of nerfing the problem? Every year when there is an issue with gameplay instead of fixing the issue, you nerf it down and say "The issue has been fixed" when instead all you've done is masked the issue and nerfed it down. Case in point on Hot Routes, back on the last couple of Madden's on the PS2 version the user had an option to Hot Route a slant in any direction. The Slants to the outside was a hard route to stop at the time so instead of making an option for the defense to stop it, you put the Zag Route as the Hot Rout to the outside instead of having the Slant Route to the outside and having a defensive play to stop it. The game is in a new era now and about to be in a newer era coming this fall. There should be no excuses for these type of issues to continue to happen in this game. PERIOD!!! EA it is time to step your game up!!! No More Excuses!!!!!

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  • Agreed. The spin didn't come back, and is more of a slow motion give your back play. And now the juke is broken. Stiff arms dont extend, jukes dont cut sharply and are more of a lunge. Blockers are popping off of blocks and guys arnt blocking. I enjoy a challenging nuanced run game, but I'm not sure what we have right now. Combo moves ? Between the tackles, good luck ? occasionally, if im running at the perfect angle I get the 20' juke off and get a couple yards. Its a rough start to the mad year
  • Is this with abilities & xfactors ie Juke Box/Balance Beam/First One Free etc or not?
  • EA_Blueberry
    4836 posts EA Community Manager
    Hey what's up, everyone.

    Would you be able to post a recorded clip of you performing the juke move so we can get an idea of what you're describing and how you ideally want it to function? Thanks.
  • Here is an example of what I’m talking about. The video will be in three different parts. First is practicing against the defense. This will show you how the jukes don’t work. The second one is practicing without any defense in the field. And the third is do the RB drills and how the Juke moves work in the drill mode.
    https://youtu.be/6CzamqL0scQ
  • Madden 20 juke and spin worked better. I play with Cristian McCaffrey and cant make people miss to save my life and he has ankle breaker and spin X-factor.
  • Hey what's up, everyone.

    Would you be able to post a recorded clip of you performing the juke move so we can get an idea of what you're describing and how you ideally want it to function? Thanks.

    @EA_Blueberry Check his new post.

    Also, I pretty much agree with and echo what he said. You can NEVER make the CPU miss( at least not on All-Pro and All-Madden, I haven't played on anything else.). The Spin, Juke, Hurdle, Jurdle, or the " All NEW Skill-Stick!!!" don't work at all. The online time the CPU misses a tackle is if you truck or break contact. Even when I turned the tackle slider to 25 in my franchise it was like that. Just trucks and broken tackles. And you defiantly can't juke a Cpu hit stick, it's like a homing missile. The CPU never misses a hit stick which is weird because I thought hit sticks were supposed to be more like a cannonball. Hard to hit but does massive damage.
  • EA_Blueberry
    4836 posts EA Community Manager
    Thanks for sharing the clip we'll pass it along.
  • The new patch did not fix the Ball carriers moves when using the Juke, Spin, or Stiff Arm. The Moves only works in Rookie Mode.
  • They work fine for me. I use Barry Sanders in MUT, and have zero issues faking players out.
  • The moves are just quick sand. Juke almost never works, even if you do beat that one player your speed will be gone and the next guy will end the play. I cant even get a spin animation to be completed without being tackled in the back. It would be nice to have tight spins or wide spins. Where did the one cut go? my guys mostly just slow down or feeze to get hit. Following blockers with speed is all we got right now.
  • ThaDarkOne2312
    53 posts Member
    edited September 2020
    @EA_Blueberry...I feel with the truck stick, the players should keep their legs moving and push through the defender(s)...instead of just just hitting one guy and popping straight up...nfl players stay low and keep their momentum when they lower their shoulders
  • EA_Blueberry
    4836 posts EA Community Manager
    I'm sure the physics engines will only get better and more realistic with next gen around the corner. It's not common for ball carriers to keep pushing forward though unless they're huge backs like Derek Henry in which that could be an ability created for them.
  • Madden is IMO now developed and catered for the “Competitive Group” of gamers, who don’t really care about the “Realistic” aspect of football as far as movement and such.

    The running game has been nerfed as Cpu Ballcarriers do not Juke as they should, they do not footplant as they should, because they’re movements are designed for Competitive Gaming, not a real depiction of the NFL.

    Most Competitive players don’t care that now running backs swivel there whole body unnaturally left and right, without dipping their shoulder or footplanting. A user wants to be able to quickly “avoid” a tackler or “tackle a Ballcarrier” as easily and quickly as they can. Realism is not a factor to the hard core gamer....and EA will continue to cater to this group because of money - micro transactions ect.

    Just look at Madden 25 and the fantastic player movement both running backs and tacklers have and that game by 21 standards is dated.

    I’m personally waiting for 2k and their football game as “New Gen” or not EA will continue with the same hyped up freshly painted - eye candy as they always have. Gamers will be excited for New Mouthpieces some new cleats ect, while Franchise and the core of Gameplay (that once was EA’s trademark) will lack yet another year.
  • Agreed the ball carrier moves don’t work. The game is geared up for cheesy pass concepts. Roll right throw Blindly to a post route that beats all coverage.
  • This game makes me so mad. I joined this forum just to complain. That's the truth. I've been playing for awhile. I finally decided you know what I'm complaining. First of all I use the Giants. I know they had a bad record but to get rid of the super star quality inn one player and not add any to our defense is a total discrace. We have a probowl corner. A star quality as peppers and two really good DEs. None of them got super star qualities added. Second the inaccuracy of throws from Daniel jones is horrific. He had a fumbling issue. Since when has he been horribly inaccurate in his career so far? Our o line improved second half of the season and our center gets a below 70 rating in the game. He was the lineman we had. He awesome under pressure in real life for a young qb but horrible in this game. This ain't even my worse issues. I need to start recording these games online. I throw the ball to my recurves and they cut back into the defender!!! They can't turn upfield without a hard jab step slowing them down. 🤯 Who in their right minds would release this trash? Barkley is getting hit sticked by cornerbacks at the line of scrimmage. CB shedding tackles to the ground immediately after the handoff. One defender on some teams stops every inside run play or outside over and over again. Give me a damn break. Nobody can do that and where is the real life fatigue factor? I swear it's so bad I think these people are cheating. I'm server yards away running the ball and I sone how slow down for the defender to make a reach tackle that would be a broken taken actually if ever was to happen in real life. My defense refuses to she's blocks that are made by wr on outside plays. My really good DT have no awareness to stop inside runs half the time. It's exhausting. Send me a free video camera or card and I'll record these games so you can see what you put out on the market. Y'all need some serious reevaluation of a video that's the only option to play for football. I know the Giants arent a great team but no team is that bad. You have to leave it up to the users to win or lose a game. How can tecmo bowl get it right and you guys can't? That don't make no since. Please let me be a game tester for you. My recievers catch and run right out of bounds. I can't control Barkley after the snap hardly. Jones is slow to put the ball down and run. The list is so long...
  • This game makes me so mad. I joined this forum just to complain. That's the truth. I've been playing for awhile. I finally decided you know what I'm complaining. First of all I use the Giants. I know they had a bad record but to get rid of the super star quality for one of our players on offense and not add any to our defense is a total discrace. We have a probowl corner. A star quality player in peppers and two really good DEs. None of them got super star qualities added. Second the inaccuracy of throws from Daniel jones is horrific. He had a fumbling issue. Since when has he been horribly inaccurate in his career so far? "Danny Dimes" Our o line improved the second half of the season and our center gets a below 70 rating in the game. Gallman had very little touches and put up superb numbers. Him and or I line deserve more respect in your game. Our center was the best lineman we had. Jones is awesome and tough under pressure in real life for a young qb but horrible in this game. This ain't even the worse issues. I need to start recording these games online. I throw the ball to my recievers and they cut back into the defender!!! Please explain!!! They can't turn upfield without a hard jab step slowing them down. 🤯 Who in their right minds would release this trash? Barkley is getting hit sticked by cornerbacks at the line of scrimmage. CB shedding tackles to the ground immediately after the ball is snapped. One defender on some teams can stop every inside run play or outside play over and over again. Give me a dang break. Nobody can do that! Maybe if they user him I can understand. And where is the real life fatigue factor tho? I swear it's so bad I think these people are cheating. I'm several yards away from a defender running the ball and I some how slow down for the defender to make a reach tackle that would be a broken taken actually if ever was to happen in real life. My defense refuses to shed blocks like the opposing team, especially blocks that are made by wr on outside plays. My really good DT have no awareness to stop inside runs half the time. It's exhausting. Send me a video camera or video card and I'll record these games so you can see what you put out on the market. Y'all need some serious reevaluation of a video game that's the only option for football. I know the Giants arent a great team but no team is that bad. You have to leave it up to the users to win or lose a game. How can tecmo bowl get it right and you guys can't? That don't make no since. Please let me be a game tester for you. My recievers catch a pass and run right out of bounds. (Sterling shepard)!!! Golden tate!!!! They would never do this!!! Never... I can hardly control Barkley after the snap. Jones is slow to put the ball down and run. The list is so long...
  • gojin56321
    1 posts New member
    Concurred. The twist didn't return, and is to a greater degree a sluggish movement give your back play. What's more, presently the juke is broken. Solid arms dont expand, jukes dont cut forcefully and are even more a rush. Blockers are flying off of squares and folks arnt obstructing. I appreciate a difficult nuanced run game, however I don't know what we have at the present time. Combo moves ? Between the handles, best of luck ? once in a while, if im running at the ideal point I get the 20' juke off and a few yards. Its an unpleasant beginning to the distraught year
  • They do a brief animation but it’s like they didn’t go anywhere. The game actually feels broken
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