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Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

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  • Valid point
  • mikeq67
    138 posts Member
    And 5 consecutive years of the game getting worse post beta/demo have told us all we need to know about this game. The problems arent going to get fixed.
  • mikeq67 wrote: »
    And 5 consecutive years of the game getting worse post beta/demo have told us all we need to know about this game. The problems arent going to get fixed.

    You're part of the problem. Instead of reporting your problems you're saying stuff like this.

    What do you not like?
  • Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's freaking Funny! What makes you think EA is going to listen anyway?

    There are members on this forum that have gone above and beyond being Respectful when offering their Ideas, Suggestions, Opinions on how to "Improve" the quality of the game, yet the game remains UNCHANGED (even with all these great Ideas and Suggestions)

    Clipping and Collision Detection issues have been around since God knows when (I first noticed them in NHL13, so we'll start there). Members have posted a plethora of Video Evidence of these issues...UNCHANGED!!

    Stupid AI: your AI player peels off of a 2 on 1 and goes to the bench, thus turning your 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1! There is Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Stupid AI 2: your AI player turns his back on an incoming pass, resulting in an icing call. Yeppers Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Puck Pick Ups: your player either skates over top of the puck (not even acknowledge the puck is there) or skates circles around the puck (Keystone Cops comedy right there). First mentioned in NHL16, carried over into NHL17 and have read some people talking about it happening in NHL18. Aye you guessed it, there is Video Evidence of it happening.....UNCHANGED

    So what makes you think EA (given all the Video Evidence provided to them) is going to Change?
  • Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    LOL

    What other games need betas to figure out major game breaking issues? Most of the betas that are out there are the devs and close people to development team testing out bugs, glitches, connectivity issues.

    It's not the job of the consumer to fix the game. To say what you are saying is that the game cannot be successful without user feedback from a beta. Bull crap. They're adults, programmers, hockey fans.... it's not that difficult
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    joefitz22 wrote: »
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's freaking Funny! What makes you think EA is going to listen anyway?

    There are members on this forum that have gone above and beyond being Respectful when offering their Ideas, Suggestions, Opinions on how to "Improve" the quality of the game, yet the game remains UNCHANGED (even with all these great Ideas and Suggestions)

    Clipping and Collision Detection issues have been around since God knows when (I first noticed them in NHL13, so we'll start there). Members have posted a plethora of Video Evidence of these issues...UNCHANGED!!

    Stupid AI: your AI player peels off of a 2 on 1 and goes to the bench, thus turning your 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1! There is Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Stupid AI 2: your AI player turns his back on an incoming pass, resulting in an icing call. Yeppers Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Puck Pick Ups: your player either skates over top of the puck (not even acknowledge the puck is there) or skates circles around the puck (Keystone Cops comedy right there). First mentioned in NHL16, carried over into NHL17 and have read some people talking about it happening in NHL18. Aye you guessed it, there is Video Evidence of it happening.....UNCHANGED

    So what makes you think EA (given all the Video Evidence provided to them) is going to Change?

    EA does make changes after the beta. Last year they had a beta update even. So, they make all these changes after listening to the community. Then you guys complain that the beta was better. It makes no sense.

    You'll stop doing circles if you actually let go of the left stick and glide.

    Yeah, there are going to be AI issues. Hopefully those get addressed. I play with mostly humans so it's not such a big deal to me.

    Put together, mature, well thought, constructive criticism. You just may see the community listened to more. Nobody wants to read a tirade of toxicity much less take it seriously.

  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    LOL

    What other games need betas to figure out major game breaking issues? Most of the betas that are out there are the devs and close people to development team testing out bugs, glitches, connectivity issues.

    It's not the job of the consumer to fix the game. To say what you are saying is that the game cannot be successful without user feedback from a beta. Bull crap. They're adults, programmers, hockey fans.... it's not that difficult

    Almost every game released gets some form of closed/open public beta. They rely on the consumer because if it were up to developers to make their game, it would be vastly different. One you would probably hate more because they'd want it to be more sim and more hardcore. The fact is that most people can't handle that kind of game because it's more frustrating than fun for them. Not taking consumer feedback is a HUGE mistake.

    If it wasn't that difficult, you'd see a ton of hockey games on the market. I'd love to see all the people here that think it's not that difficult to make a hockey game actually make one. You guys keep asking for someone else to make one. Do it yourselves if it's so easy.
  • joefitz22
    643 posts Member
    edited August 2017
    Sinbin wrote: »
    joefitz22 wrote: »
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA That's freaking Funny! What makes you think EA is going to listen anyway?

    There are members on this forum that have gone above and beyond being Respectful when offering their Ideas, Suggestions, Opinions on how to "Improve" the quality of the game, yet the game remains UNCHANGED (even with all these great Ideas and Suggestions)

    Clipping and Collision Detection issues have been around since God knows when (I first noticed them in NHL13, so we'll start there). Members have posted a plethora of Video Evidence of these issues...UNCHANGED!!

    Stupid AI: your AI player peels off of a 2 on 1 and goes to the bench, thus turning your 2 on 1 into a 1 on 1! There is Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Stupid AI 2: your AI player turns his back on an incoming pass, resulting in an icing call. Yeppers Video Evidence of this issue....UNCHANGED

    Puck Pick Ups: your player either skates over top of the puck (not even acknowledge the puck is there) or skates circles around the puck (Keystone Cops comedy right there). First mentioned in NHL16, carried over into NHL17 and have read some people talking about it happening in NHL18. Aye you guessed it, there is Video Evidence of it happening.....UNCHANGED

    So what makes you think EA (given all the Video Evidence provided to them) is going to Change?

    EA does make changes after the beta. Last year they had a beta update even. So, they make all these changes after listening to the community. Then you guys complain that the beta was better. It makes no sense.

    You'll stop doing circles if you actually let go of the left stick and glide.

    Yeah, there are going to be AI issues. Hopefully those get addressed. I play with mostly humans so it's not such a big deal to me.

    Put together, mature, well thought, constructive criticism. You just may see the community listened to more. Nobody wants to read a tirade of toxicity much less take it seriously.

    You mean to tell me Sidney Crosby can't pick up a loose dead puck on the Fly?? So Sid should have to STOP SKATING with Speed and go into a Glide to pick up a puck that is just sitting on the ice dead and not moving??

    Go watch the highlight of Mario Lemieux's FIRST ever NHL goal. The puck gets chipped past Ray Bourque and Mario is skating HARD and picks up the puck in flight....he doesn't stop skating and go into a **** glide to pick it up. IF Mario goes into a glide to collect the puck, Bourque likely catches him

    What about Collision Detection and Clipping issues? I win games NOT because I am better than my opponent but because the puck physically passes through the goalies pads giving me the GWG? This garbage has been going on since NHL13...5 years later and it's still an issue
  • bryta47
    373 posts Member
    edited August 2017
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    For me, the skating and the AI breaks the game (+ a myriad of lesser probleme ofc). Many have voiced their concerns about this - and EA answers by giving us 3v3 arcade mode.

    Playing a couple of games beta day 1 was enough for me to know I won't be buying NHL 18. If the full game will differ from the beta, it will be by minor tuning changes. And that's not enough for me.

    Some ppl like the game. That's ok - we all have different tastes. But it's pretty clear the route EA has chosen with the game series.

    EDIT: tbh, in new gen, I prob had most fun with NHL 15, after that less and less... and that's a little sad

    Post edited by bryta47 on
  • Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    The beta has nothing to do with changing "the game every year". At this stage in development, the only things that could be changed are bug fixes and tweaks to slider/properties/settings. The reason why so many people are frustrated is that the feedback that is offered by users every year after the official release seems to mostly be completely ignored. People's frustration with the direction of this game stems from years of let downs, not from anything that could happen between the beta and release.


  • Not much (if anything significant) can be changed guys.
    The game is pretty much finished right now.
  • Cranking up the game speed slider in EASHL would be a significant change that requires no additional programming.
  • "If it wasn't that difficult, you'd see a ton of hockey games on the market. I'd love to see all the people here that think it's not that difficult to make a hockey game actually make one. You guys keep asking for someone else to make one. Do it yourselves if it's so easy."

    NO....
    Not enough people play this game....what maybe 250 000...and getting less every year.thats why nobody else is making a game.
    THE...Detriot Frenzy Alumni
  • Not much (if anything significant) can be changed guys.
    The game is pretty much finished right now.

    Yup
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    LOL

    What other games need betas to figure out major game breaking issues? Most of the betas that are out there are the devs and close people to development team testing out bugs, glitches, connectivity issues.

    It's not the job of the consumer to fix the game. To say what you are saying is that the game cannot be successful without user feedback from a beta. Bull crap. They're adults, programmers, hockey fans.... it's not that difficult

    Almost every game released gets some form of closed/open public beta. They rely on the consumer because if it were up to developers to make their game, it would be vastly different. One you would probably hate more because they'd want it to be more sim and more hardcore. The fact is that most people can't handle that kind of game because it's more frustrating than fun for them. Not taking consumer feedback is a HUGE mistake.

    If it wasn't that difficult, you'd see a ton of hockey games on the market. I'd love to see all the people here that think it's not that difficult to make a hockey game actually make one. You guys keep asking for someone else to make one. Do it yourselves if it's so easy.

    What's wrong with this game is basic, not in depth. Betas are for consumer feedback but most of the changes made do not come from consumer suggestions. They come from groups close to the development team, testers, or the devs themselves. While these are "consumers" they are not in the traditional sense. These are people affiliated with production in some way

    Most people do not have a forum to talk to a developer. That's because the same problems are beat to death and the devs do not nothing. No one wants to waste time on a forum like this where developers can say they listen but the problems are still there. If they are truly listening, and the problems are not fixed, you can assume they don't know how to fix it...


  • kezz123
    624 posts Member
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags


    I think you are the one who misunderstands.

    A beta for a new game...a new concept.....is important to help iron out the bugs and issues before release so that the new concept has a solid start and chance to succeed.

    NHL xx isnt a new concept. It certainly isnt a new game. its the same game as last year and the year before. The issue to most people is no longer about bugs but about whether the concept is good or bad. Most people find the concept bad so they have no interest in helping fix the bugs to what? still not find the game fun for a 4th year in a row?

    The issues have been laid out over and over. Nhl 17 was the beta.....and so was 16. The major issues remain the same with the 2 most notable being servers and TPS. But there is so much more and its been ironed out everywhere over and over again.

    Now on the flip side, this is an open beta which means the people who still love the concept can test and provide feedback. If nobody is, then that tells you a pretty clear message about the state of the game.



  • SGDragonSlayerYT
    133 posts Member
    edited August 2017
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    LOL

    What other games need betas to figure out major game breaking issues? Most of the betas that are out there are the devs and close people to development team testing out bugs, glitches, connectivity issues.

    It's not the job of the consumer to fix the game. To say what you are saying is that the game cannot be successful without user feedback from a beta. Bull crap. They're adults, programmers, hockey fans.... it's not that difficult

    actually, pretty much every single game made, the beta just isnt made open. Actually, if it's not the consumers job, then we'll have LITERALLY the exact same game every year. They change stuff because we request it enough, they can't just pull brand new features out of their ****
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    LOL

    What other games need betas to figure out major game breaking issues? Most of the betas that are out there are the devs and close people to development team testing out bugs, glitches, connectivity issues.

    It's not the job of the consumer to fix the game. To say what you are saying is that the game cannot be successful without user feedback from a beta. Bull crap. They're adults, programmers, hockey fans.... it's not that difficult

    Almost every game released gets some form of closed/open public beta. They rely on the consumer because if it were up to developers to make their game, it would be vastly different. One you would probably hate more because they'd want it to be more sim and more hardcore. The fact is that most people can't handle that kind of game because it's more frustrating than fun for them. Not taking consumer feedback is a HUGE mistake.

    If it wasn't that difficult, you'd see a ton of hockey games on the market. I'd love to see all the people here that think it's not that difficult to make a hockey game actually make one. You guys keep asking for someone else to make one. Do it yourselves if it's so easy.

    What's wrong with this game is basic, not in depth. Betas are for consumer feedback but most of the changes made do not come from consumer suggestions. They come from groups close to the development team, testers, or the devs themselves. While these are "consumers" they are not in the traditional sense. These are people affiliated with production in some way

    Most people do not have a forum to talk to a developer. That's because the same problems are beat to death and the devs do not nothing. No one wants to waste time on a forum like this where developers can say they listen but the problems are still there. If they are truly listening, and the problems are not fixed, you can assume they don't know how to fix it...


    Look at all the changes that were made in the updates last year. Those were almost completely driven by community feedback. Not to mention the changes made for 18. New dekes, 3 on 3 play, defensive skill stick. Those were all in high demand from the community.
  • Everyone saying they aren't playing the beta anymore, that leaves less people to give feedback to EA, and what does that mean? It means less stuff gets changed. If you don't want the same game every year, then how about just play the freaking beta and report what changes you wanna see, WITHOUT insulting them and being douchebags

    The beta has nothing to do with changing "the game every year". At this stage in development, the only things that could be changed are bug fixes and tweaks to slider/properties/settings. The reason why so many people are frustrated is that the feedback that is offered by users every year after the official release seems to mostly be completely ignored. People's frustration with the direction of this game stems from years of let downs, not from anything that could happen between the beta and release.

    So you just don't remember the release day update for 17 do you? The one that took away a pretty big feature in allowing the goalie to control the extra attacker? id argue that thats not just a tweak and that they can still change something big
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