Can't pickup puck after heavy check

Steven5470

Anyone else noticed after you deliver a heavy check to a player, you can't pick up the puck? Every time I deliver a heavy check, the puck sits there for the taking. I skate over and over the puck and can't pick it up at all.

Video example:
https://youtu.be/s-XkO5DeU_A

RichardDick

This has been a problem since 16 and complained about a lot. As a D man this **** me off endlessly.

Steven5470

Thought it was just me! So frustrating to check a guy and then have their team recover the puck because I can't get it.

DSANT21

For me it seems to be a case of the guy you destroyed's corpse blocking access to the puck.

Taste-D-Rainbow

This is very frustrating, especially against the CPU. The CPU doesn't suffer from missed puck pickups so 3/4 of the time the CPU just gets back up and grabs the puck. If you do manage to get around his corpse and pick it up, he's already sprung back up and will just stick lift you.

mikeyflex

Yep, never was truly fixed, the best is after you make a monster hit the player you hit gets up and regains control of the puck and skates right by you, go figure. Yeah yeah I know, "play better defense"

RedBull1973JL

In this order...make the hit, opponent falls down, you are stunned as you bounce backwards, in the meantime opponent recovers, you make a move for puck as your opponent gets back up, you MIGHT get the puck in time for the opponent to either stick-lift, poke-check, or nudge you away from it as he skates away with it.

Sound about right??

RichardDick

RedBull1973JL wrote: »

In this order...make the hit, opponent falls down, you are stunned as you bounce backwards, in the meantime opponent recovers, you make a move for puck as your opponent gets back up, you MIGHT get the puck in time for the opponent to either stick-lift, poke-check, or nudge you away from it as he skates away with it.

Sound about right??

Winner!

RedBull1973JL

I would like to hear EA explain how they feel this is a realistic outcome that happens all the time in the game but hardly ever in an actual.

Cromags21

RedBull1973JL wrote: »

In this order...make the hit, opponent falls down, you are stunned as you bounce backwards, in the meantime opponent recovers, you make a move for puck as your opponent gets back up, you MIGHT get the puck in time for the opponent to either stick-lift, poke-check, or nudge you away from it as he skates away with it.

Sound about right??

I'm with you buddy.

sgiz1

Yep,

You destroy the puck carrier yet he still gets up and gets the puck back before you can retrieve it, something to do with programming bubble around players, that even when a player is on his face on the ice, if the puck is next to him the game is calculating some sort of possession algorithm or something, opposing your calculation to pick up the puck, that and/or his body is laying in the way of the puck as well.

It's frustrating and has been an issue for years.

Sgt_Kelso

it should take much longer to get up, if you're hit down on the ice. It's not that easy, you know.

Steven5470

Sgt_Kelso wrote: »

it should take much longer to get up, if you're hit down on the ice. It's not that easy, you know.

There used to be a feature like this I believe in 2k hockey. It was the amount of recovery time after a hit. It kept it more realistic and not so arcade like it is now.

A game last night, I hit a player..he flew backwards..helmet came off...then he pulls a John Cena and jumps up like nothing happened and gets the puck.

HoodHoppers

Do you know when this didn't happen? In the NHL 17 beta. For about 2 weeks was the only time that hitting actually resulted in a turnover. I remember everybody was happy that it finally got fixed after years of brutal defensive tactics to get the puck going the other way.

Then the game came out and guess what was gone! Shocker!

Steven5470

Uploaded video example. Hopefully EA actually looks at this issue.

WPGjets

we have to adapt as players, next time you throw a heavy check and the puck sits there, puck chop it or poke it. In real life situations a heavy hit like that would send the puck flying in random directions, and not sit there waiting for a clean pick up.

joefitz22

RedBull1973JL wrote: »

In this order...make the hit, opponent falls down, you are stunned as you bounce backwards, in the meantime opponent recovers, you make a move for puck as your opponent gets back up, you MIGHT get the puck in time for the opponent to either stick-lift, poke-check, or nudge you away from it as he skates away with it.

Sound about right??

I don't plan on buying 18 so I can't comment about it but Another thing that bothers (past few years) me is SIMPLE shoves knocking a player off balance and off the puck! Sorry a FRESH Sidney Crosby isn't gonna lose the puck from a simple shove, dude has a wide base and is strong on his skates! Watch the video and tell me how many SIMPLE shoves push Crosby off the puck...ie turnover! Not saying every player needs to be that strong on the puck but D'amn! When we play OVP and HUT (haven't touched HUT) we use NHL players, no need to have a SIMPLE shove knock a person off the puck
https://youtu.be/FqrMeXTuz7U

NHLDev

joefitz22 wrote: »

I don't plan on buying 18 so I can't comment about it but Another thing that bothers (past few years) me is SIMPLE shoves knocking a player off balance and off the puck! Sorry a FRESH Sidney Crosby isn't gonna lose the puck from a simple shove, dude has a wide base and is strong on his skates! Watch the video and tell me how many SIMPLE shoves push Crosby off the puck...ie turnover! Not saying every player needs to be that strong on the puck but D'amn! When we play OVP and HUT (haven't touched HUT) we use NHL players, no need to have a SIMPLE shove knock a person off the puck
https://youtu.be/FqrMeXTuz7U

Good video. The mechanics of the game are setup with this in mind. Relative speed of the collision plays into it along with the physical size/strengths and attributes of the players involved. Our hit reactions from stumbles to stumble falls and full falls result based on all of those conditions and within stumbles, there are different magnitudes, some of which shrug off the check and keep the puck, others will lose the puck but recover quicker and depending on the attributes of the player, will recover quicker than others in terms of regaining the puck than other players as well.

We made a big change last year where if you were being hit away from the puck, there wasn't a stumble where you would keep the puck but if you are getting hit towards/with the direction of the puck, you can have a chance to hang on to it. This felt better for general puck separation and physical ability to keep a puck. Even in the Crosby clips you show, he loses the puck at times as far as actual instant possession is concerned but continually has body position and the ability to recover to regain control so in the grand scheme of things has control that whole time. This is what smart players with good twitch skill do in our game as well. They know how to manipulate their skating and limit the relative speed and angle of collisions and are always thinking of what they will do next if they lose the puck so that they can continue to regain it as well.

Steven5470

NHLDev wrote: »

joefitz22 wrote: »

I don't plan on buying 18 so I can't comment about it but Another thing that bothers (past few years) me is SIMPLE shoves knocking a player off balance and off the puck! Sorry a FRESH Sidney Crosby isn't gonna lose the puck from a simple shove, dude has a wide base and is strong on his skates! Watch the video and tell me how many SIMPLE shoves push Crosby off the puck...ie turnover! Not saying every player needs to be that strong on the puck but D'amn! When we play OVP and HUT (haven't touched HUT) we use NHL players, no need to have a SIMPLE shove knock a person off the puck
https://youtu.be/FqrMeXTuz7U

Good video. The mechanics of the game are setup with this in mind. Relative speed of the collision plays into it along with the physical size/strengths and attributes of the players involved. Our hit reactions from stumbles to stumble falls and full falls result based on all of those conditions and within stumbles, there are different magnitudes, some of which shrug off the check and keep the puck, others will lose the puck but recover quicker and depending on the attributes of the player, will recover quicker than others in terms of regaining the puck than other players as well.

We made a big change last year where if you were being hit away from the puck, there wasn't a stumble where you would keep the puck but if you are getting hit towards/with the direction of the puck, you can have a chance to hang on to it. This felt better for general puck separation and physical ability to keep a puck. Even in the Crosby clips you show, he loses the puck at times as far as actual instant possession is concerned but continually has body position and the ability to recover to regain control so in the grand scheme of things has control that whole time. This is what smart players with good twitch skill do in our game as well. They know how to manipulate their skating and limit the relative speed and angle of collisions and are always thinking of what they will do next if they lose the puck so that they can continue to regain it as well.

Thanks for chiming in on this. However, this issue is the ability of the defensive player to pick up the puck AFTER delivering the hit. I posted a video on the start of this topic showing how my player checks the opposing player. The opposing player is quite a distance away. My player then goes back to the puck and cannot pick up the puck. He skates over the puck continually with no ability to get the puck. This happens every time. My player should be able to pick up the puck, simple.

joefitz22

Steven5470 wrote: »

NHLDev wrote: »

joefitz22 wrote: »

I don't plan on buying 18 so I can't comment about it but Another thing that bothers (past few years) me is SIMPLE shoves knocking a player off balance and off the puck! Sorry a FRESH Sidney Crosby isn't gonna lose the puck from a simple shove, dude has a wide base and is strong on his skates! Watch the video and tell me how many SIMPLE shoves push Crosby off the puck...ie turnover! Not saying every player needs to be that strong on the puck but D'amn! When we play OVP and HUT (haven't touched HUT) we use NHL players, no need to have a SIMPLE shove knock a person off the puck
https://youtu.be/FqrMeXTuz7U

Good video. The mechanics of the game are setup with this in mind. Relative speed of the collision plays into it along with the physical size/strengths and attributes of the players involved. Our hit reactions from stumbles to stumble falls and full falls result based on all of those conditions and within stumbles, there are different magnitudes, some of which shrug off the check and keep the puck, others will lose the puck but recover quicker and depending on the attributes of the player, will recover quicker than others in terms of regaining the puck than other players as well.

We made a big change last year where if you were being hit away from the puck, there wasn't a stumble where you would keep the puck but if you are getting hit towards/with the direction of the puck, you can have a chance to hang on to it. This felt better for general puck separation and physical ability to keep a puck. Even in the Crosby clips you show, he loses the puck at times as far as actual instant possession is concerned but continually has body position and the ability to recover to regain control so in the grand scheme of things has control that whole time. This is what smart players with good twitch skill do in our game as well. They know how to manipulate their skating and limit the relative speed and angle of collisions and are always thinking of what they will do next if they lose the puck so that they can continue to regain it as well.

Thanks for chiming in on this. However, this issue is the ability of the defensive player to pick up the puck AFTER delivering the hit. I posted a video on the start of this topic showing how my player checks the opposing player. The opposing player is quite a distance away. My player then goes back to the puck and cannot pick up the puck. He skates over the puck continually with no ability to get the puck. This happens every time. My player should be able to pick up the puck, simple.

Yep! Had that happen a lot in 16 and 17! Knock a guy on his ****, your player recoils off of the hit, player you hit bounces back up, collects the puck, dances around your player and scores a goal. No rhyme or reason for it

trw1987

Been a problem for years. As mainly a D in EASHL this drives me batty