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Is is just me or is this tilt business just obnoxious. I wonder what the quit ratio as supposed to finished games is? This is just awful. And it is so obvious when some games my team is unstoppable. But the garbage is just awful.

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  • Is is just me or is this tilt business just obnoxious. I wonder what the quit ratio as supposed to finished games is? This is just awful. And it is so obvious when some games my team is unstoppable. But the garbage is just awful.

    I've always wondered what percentage of games are quit ONLY because "the force is strong with this one." It really is THAT obvious when it happens against you, and it's pretty obvious when it's in your favor as well. Imagine how FAIR the game would play if they could find a way to eliminate it.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    There is no tilt. There is getting rattled and playing bad though. There's also bad bounces and flukey goals. They happen in the real world too, but I refuse to believe the computer picks the weaker play and scripts the outcome so they aren't sad they lost and quit playing.
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    But yet when you get a stacked team, you completely out play the other team, outshoot them 40-5 and you lose 3-2. The opposite happened to me yesterday. A guy was dominating me. I could barely get the puck. I managed 4 shots the whole game. I won 3-2. Or how about when you go up 2 or 3 goals early. By the end of the second, you are almost guaranteed to have a tie game. Or the stupid flukey goal that always happens at the last second, then the team that should have won, ends up winning in ot anyway. Now that i have a team that is all 96-99s, it is completely obvious. One game I play a guy with a lower rated team and it's against me, the next I play a really good high rated guy, and it is for me. So easy to tell. The basis of this technology, is to keep players engafed longer, but it has the opposite effect on me. They all deny it, but EA has patents on this, and there are several articles out there about it. I've posted several links, just search "EA game balancing tech." I would suggest using Bing, because it seems that google may be taking advantage of the net neutrality law already. Been getting some strange search results lately.

    Sinbin, I thought you played offline. This wouldn't be as obvious then. This would also be know as the mario cart affect. Leader gets bad items, last place gets the best items. Guy that gets wrecked gets a little extra speed to catch up.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    No. I play EASHL and HUT. I don't play offline. Not sure where I ever said I did. It sounds like you're dealing with confirmation bias. I've never noticed almost every 3rd starting with a tie. I've won games I shouldn't, I've lost games I shouldn't. That's sports for you. Especially hockey. Sometimes that's just how it goes. You have a goalie that stands on their head and sometimes they're Swiss cheese. There's nothing coded in to the game that forces one side to win because it reads their mind and thinks they'll play one more game if they get the win. People complain about the AI here daily. Don't you think if the game could read minds, the AI would be programmed better? That's some pretty advanced stuff.
  • Maybe online this is an issue, but I think offline the issue is minimized if you use the proper settings. Unfortunately, though that doesn't make up for the fact that the CPU defense on the usual settings is porous and the goaltending is not good enough to make up for it. But by playing offline I have enjoyed some decent games that felt fair and enjoyable. I wish online was as enjoyable. I used to think that ice tilt was garbage but maybe the settings make a difference in how cheated one gets. Personally, I think it would be nice to have one consistent experience throughout all of the modes. That would be awesome.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Maybe online this is an issue, but I think offline the issue is minimized if you use the proper settings. Unfortunately, though that doesn't make up for the fact that the CPU defense on the usual settings is porous and the goaltending is not good enough to make up for it. But by playing offline I have enjoyed some decent games that felt fair and enjoyable. I wish online was as enjoyable. I used to think that ice tilt was garbage but maybe the settings make a difference in how cheated one gets. Personally, I think it would be nice to have one consistent experience throughout all of the modes. That would be awesome.

    What is consistency to you though? Since when do you see every pass received, every puck picked up, every hit lay someone out? Hockey is an incredibly dynamic and very often unpredictable sport.

    Offline you can change the sliders to get the experience you want. Online uses the All-Star setting. Also, keep in mind your strategies are going to play a big role. That and fatigue. So many people just toss the puck back out instead of covering it. You'll get better performing players when you manually change lines during stoppages. They won't be so fatigued which lowers all their attributes.
  • There’s no tilt. There is definitely a connection issue. They say online vs is player to player and your ping should be the same as your opponent. I’ve been asking my opponents for thier ping and NAT status when the games seem unfair for one side. NAT status is always open for both sides. They say if it’s not you might be playing a server based game but that doesn’t seem to be the problem. Pings are not always the same or even close in most cases. The last game, online hut, his ping was spiking to 92ms mine constant at 18ms. I didn’t even have to touch the remote on faceoffs and it was pulling the puck straight back for me even though on my side it looked like his player was doing an animation to attempt to win the draw. I think there’s a whole lot more server play online that’s causing your ai players to not be in sync with the game making poor decisions because the other teams ai is always one step ahead.

    Some players do get rattled and play poorly and quit. Some players get to loose and give up 4 goal leads. It’s easy to do both when the game isn’t playing fair on both sides.
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.
  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    I wont deny it! When you pass to an open player when your at a level of 57 on NHL 14,open net with goalie out of position...clear pass..no on got a stick on it..softie across the crease and the puck fumbles for no reason? Yeah thats Ice Tilt!
    How do you explain players skateing over the puck and make 3 attempts to pick it up and no dice only for your opponet to grab it with his loooong poke check like stick?. How do you explain having to go to overtime because your opponet who was outplayed makes a pass or a weak shot on goal,but your goalie turns and faces the other way before the puck gets to him and goes off his inner leg and in to send it to OT!???.
    These are things that need to be addressed if they are still present! I dont buy this game to be friendly to newbs..I buy it to play Sim style hockey and to make sure my opponet wins and losses fairly! I dont go for that toe drag wrister glitch shot others do. I puck cycle and shoot when there are traffic infront.Thats how I like it..like real hockey.
    Anyone who plays me knows I play clean and agressive. I never once wrap,I never use cheap tatics...I try to switch up my goal plays so it;s not the same move over and over.
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.

    Im sure EA spent money to develop and patent technology, just to leave it on the shelf. Some people just think they win on skill and can't accept the fact that the game is rigged to keep games close. The dev team is told what the can and can't say. If the suits say deny, that's what they do.

    They can't even say if they are working on a particular aspect of the game. You really think they are going to admit if there is something that can effect the outcome of a game that is out of the player's control? Give me a break.
  • mhandymanb
    408 posts Member
    edited March 2018
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.

    No it goes both ways. I’ve scored some really crappy goals and played in games when my team has played like crap and yet we win.

    Just because the “dev” team says something it doesn’t make it true.

    Just a couple nights ago I was having an awesome game in goal. Great connection/no lag so that couldn’t have been an excuse/cause. We’re up by one and I make the initial save and I’m spamming the cover the puck button and my goalie is doing nothing. Opposing team eventually pokes the puck in the net to tie the game with less than a minute left. It’s like EA frooze my controls on purpose.

    Explain that one EA!!!!!


    Up by a goal and trying to clear the puck on the PK and your stick breaks and an opposing player gets the puck and scores to tie the game. Happens too much to be random.

    Whiffing and missing an empty net to seal a win. Other team streaks down for a breakaway to tie it up. Happens too much to be random.

    Goalies letting in really crap weak 🎃🎃🎃🎃 shots after they’ve been stellar all game. Happens to much to be random.

    Players suddenly not picking pucks up, passing goes haywire, phantom penalities...etc... Happens to much to be random.

    This game is so consistently inconsistently that I never know what’s going to happen regardless of how well and/or poorly I’m playing.

    Eliminate all this 🎃🎃🎃🎃 and bring back the skill gap.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    There is no tilt. There is getting rattled and playing bad though. There's also bad bounces and flukey goals. They happen in the real world too, but I refuse to believe the computer picks the weaker play and scripts the outcome so they aren't sad they lost and quit playing.

    I should try to be more clear with what I was trying to say before. I'm not claiming that their is a direct ICE TILT programmed into the game, though a "balancing engine" wouldn't be out of the question since it has been documented in the past already.

    I'm claiming more along the lines of "whatever happens on the internet" may be the leading cause of what looks and feels like ice tilt to the victimized player, and assuming that is the case, then if EA could/would find a way to NOT make that a thing any more then I'm sure there wouldn't be nearly as many early/rage quits. Personally, I don't remember this being such a big thing when I was playing on the 360 and PS3 years ago.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    There is no tilt. There is getting rattled and playing bad though. There's also bad bounces and flukey goals. They happen in the real world too, but I refuse to believe the computer picks the weaker play and scripts the outcome so they aren't sad they lost and quit playing.

    There's this, but there's also slower connections where it takes you a full second to turn your guy and go up ice as well.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.

    Im sure EA spent money to develop and patent technology, just to leave it on the shelf. Some people just think they win on skill and can't accept the fact that the game is rigged to keep games close. The dev team is told what the can and can't say. If the suits say deny, that's what they do.

    They can't even say if they are working on a particular aspect of the game. You really think they are going to admit if there is something that can effect the outcome of a game that is out of the player's control? Give me a break.

    Not saying what they are working on is entirely different. NHLDev commented on that recently. They can't talk about something they aren't sure is coming. If you tell a community X feature is being worked on, then it doesn't get completed in time or doesn't work out as intended, the community gets upset, calls them liars, starts making assumptions and it generally just blows up. It goes back to the 'This is why we can't have nice things' saying. People hold them accountable even if the say X feature may or may not make it in. Also, there are marketing plans normally. EA especially likes to let news trickle out before release. If they start talking about something early it kinda ruins those marketing plans. That goes for pretty much any company with a marketing budget.

    What you guys are totally failing to see is that EA has been on the record about saying there is no ice tilt. They can't make statements like that without being able to back them up. They can be held accountable for what they say.

    I really don't get why people think this company, who is very passionate about their hockey game, would make a system that takes all skill and competition out of it by adding a system where the winner is chosen based on some algorithm that reads the minds of the humans involved, or checks their record and then decides that somehow one of them is less likely to play again unless their win is scripted. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to script that? Let alone the tremendous amount of processing power it would take to have that kind of system? Then there's the bottom line that it's not something they would remotely want in the game. I'm also convinced you all truly don't believe it's in or you wouldn't play this game. You wouldn't come here and blame the game for your losses because you wouldn't play a game where your inputs from the controller don't matter.

    If you truly believe in ice tilt then put down your controller and let the "scripting" win the game for you. Seriously. Next time you're on a losing streak and you think the tilt is going to kick in for you, put it down, step away and see how well the "scripting" engine does for you. If you're going to believe in mystical ice tilt where nothing you do matters, then you don't even need to touch the controller. Good luck to ya.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    There is no tilt. There is getting rattled and playing bad though. There's also bad bounces and flukey goals. They happen in the real world too, but I refuse to believe the computer picks the weaker play and scripts the outcome so they aren't sad they lost and quit playing.

    There's this, but there's also slower connections where it takes you a full second to turn your guy and go up ice as well.

    Those are totally different things. The former is completely unreal. The later is actually real and is something you can fix in most cases.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    sctty98 wrote: »

    Please point out exactly where it says this was incorporated in to NHL 18.
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »

    Please point out exactly where it says this was incorporated in to NHL 18.

    So it must be in every ea product except nhl.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
  • Socair
    2436 posts Game Changer
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.
    NHL Series Game Changer & Volunteer Moderator
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