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  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.

    So packs aren't in app purchases?!
  • Socair
    2436 posts Game Changer
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.

    So packs aren't in app purchases?!
    Of course they are, but aren’t exactly crucial to progression and isolated to one mode.
    NHL Series Game Changer & Volunteer Moderator
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.

    So packs aren't in app purchases?!
    Of course they are, but aren’t exactly crucial to progression and isolated to one mode.

    Just wait until 19, when they make your eshl player customisable. For the price of a pack you will have a chance to boost some random attribute.
  • The article proves EA is capable of being sketchy. This is no doubt a newer version of something they’ve been working on for years. Year by year you can see the differences in the adaptive difficulty and how if effects the game. If you can’t see how the game manipulates physics to achieve certain results then you need to start paying attention to what is actually happening. Which is why I guess some of you are oblivious to any other thing than the puck. This is obvious playing people who are completely fixated on all things related to the puck or getting the puck back. It’s easy to miss things in your peripherals.

    Listen if you don’t think theres adaptive difficulty in the game you most likely have a fundamental lack of understanding on how the world works. 10 years ago once they sold you the game It didn’t matter if you played it. Micro transactions have guaranteed there’s skill gap compression as they really want you to be happy and keep playing. You don’t think a large company like EA doesn’t study these things? We know they lie about it as they have made it clear there is no momentum. This is a lie and we all know for a 100 percent fact there’s a least momentum in the game.
  • Whether there is some programmed ice tilt or just latency problems that make people think there's something spooky about the game, EA needs to do whatever they can to battle that notion.
    Because there is definitely something that differs from game to game, that has nothing to do with skill.
    One game you can almost one-touch it from behind your own net into the opponents, next game you can not find a single AI to even get out of your own zone.
    On offense, one game your AI will place themselves a little out from the far post, next game they set up dead center on the goalie, disabling themselves from any chances of netting a one-timer.

    I hope for a game where I know my AI will be on the boards, ready for a pass, when I try to break out of the zone, rather than parking themselves at the redline six feet from the boards.
    Now, they do one of those two things and that little example alone takes away some of the skill involved and the fun I get from playing.

    Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what's causing this but it is there and needs to be taken out.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »

    Please point out exactly where it says this was incorporated in to NHL 18.

    So it must be in every ea product except nhl.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

    NHL is what we're here to discuss. I don't care about other games.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.

    Exactly. It's also something much more suited for a more casual game than one that is trying to become an e-sport.
  • sctty98
    291 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Socair wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    In all fairness, it’s not stated that it’s fully incorporated into any games, just tested. A patent does not mean it’s in use. I feel like it would be used for mobile titles where in app purchases are often crucial to keep playing.

    We won’t know for sure unless it’s disclosed of course, and I have no idea what the legality is surrounding that. The article points out Microsoft and the similar program they use with full disclosure.

    Exactly. It's also something much more suited for a more casual game than one that is trying to become an e-sport.

    There's a reason why everyone laughs when they say this game is going to be an e-sport.
  • An esport game needs to hold people equally accountable. Nhl does not.
  • leeriehle
    271 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    There is a obvious problem for me in lag .
    But how can anyone deny the first and last 10 second of period goals?
    They happen way too often.
    What I feel EA has done is try to make the game emulate the TV viewing game and not an actual skill based game .
    A good example of the OP point is why in challenges if I lock on goalie and allow the AI to battle itself in 1 game they win 7 to 1 and the exact game replayed I win 9 to 0 ?
    Is that not odd?
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    leeriehle wrote: »
    There is a obvious problem for me in lag .
    But how can anyone deny the first and last 10 second of period goals?
    They happen way too often.
    What I feel EA has done is try to make the game emulate the TV viewing game and not an actual skill based game .
    A good example of the OP point is why in challenges if I lock on goalie and allow the AI to battle itself in 1 game they win 7 to 1 and the exact game replayed I win 9 to 0 ?
    Is that not odd?

    EA has said numerous times that goals in the last minute are no more likely than any other parts of the game. The last minute is in real time so it lasts longer. I know you're talking about the last 10 seconds, but I don't see any difference between those 10 seconds and the rest of the game.
  • Lol OK and because EA says I will believe it too???
    I was gullible enough to buy NHL 18 but I think I have since woken up to the truth.
    The game is no longer fun for me.
    And I feel not enough is being fixed in this game to keep me as a customer .
  • Breaking News Update......
    Just logged into COD WW2 and like clockwork another positive update to the game.

    In other news EA devs still think NHL 18 is they’re best product ever released. So sad very very Sad.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    19KRAKA74 wrote: »
    Breaking News Update......
    Just logged into COD WW2 and like clockwork another positive update to the game.

    In other news EA devs still think NHL 18 is they’re best product ever released. So sad very very Sad.

    If this were true one of their lead devs wouldn't be here saying otherwise. You're making a claim that has no factual evidence.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    leeriehle wrote: »
    Lol OK and because EA says I will believe it too???
    I was gullible enough to buy NHL 18 but I think I have since woken up to the truth.
    The game is no longer fun for me.
    And I feel not enough is being fixed in this game to keep me as a customer .

    I'll say it one more time. Companies need to be very careful about what they say in a public space like this. They won't make claims about something like ice tilt not being in the game if it weren't true. That can be held against them. When they repeatedly say it doesn't exist, it means it doesn't exist.

    What is way more likely is that you're just not as good at the game as you think you are.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    leeriehle wrote: »
    Lol OK and because EA says I will believe it too???
    I was gullible enough to buy NHL 18 but I think I have since woken up to the truth.
    The game is no longer fun for me.
    And I feel not enough is being fixed in this game to keep me as a customer .

    I'll say it one more time. Companies need to be very careful about what they say in a public space like this. They won't make claims about something like ice tilt not being in the game if it weren't true. That can be held against them. When they repeatedly say it doesn't exist, it means it doesn't exist.

    What is way more likely is that you're just not as good at the game as you think you are.

    Yet everyone, but you, experiences it. #EA_Sinbin

    No. Not everyone. Someone else was on this thread saying it's not real. So, there's at least me, one other guy and EA that know your games aren't scripted to force you to win. Try what I suggested. If games are truly scripted, put your controller down and walk away. See how that turns out for you.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    There is no tilt. There is getting rattled and playing bad though. There's also bad bounces and flukey goals. They happen in the real world too, but I refuse to believe the computer picks the weaker play and scripts the outcome so they aren't sad they lost and quit playing.

    There's this, but there's also slower connections where it takes you a full second to turn your guy and go up ice as well.

    Those are totally different things. The former is completely unreal. The later is actually real and is something you can fix in most cases.

    Except you can't fix it in most cases.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    leeriehle wrote: »
    Lol OK and because EA says I will believe it too???
    I was gullible enough to buy NHL 18 but I think I have since woken up to the truth.
    The game is no longer fun for me.
    And I feel not enough is being fixed in this game to keep me as a customer .

    I'll say it one more time. Companies need to be very careful about what they say in a public space like this. They won't make claims about something like ice tilt not being in the game if it weren't true. That can be held against them. When they repeatedly say it doesn't exist, it means it doesn't exist.

    What is way more likely is that you're just not as good at the game as you think you are.
    The only thing clear to me is you are the only one defending EA.
    What exactly do you get out of that?
    And what does me not being good at the game have to do with the example I gave?


  • Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.

    Please don't generalize and speak for everyone.

    I too believe there is no tilt.

    What I do believe however, is questionable coding at certain times and add less a than stellar connection quality and boom, there you have it. Super AI on one team, noob AI on the other. You also have the try-hards that have lag switches or upload content while being the host in VS and HUT games to bog down connection quality for their opponents.

    You solve those 3 issues and you will most likely see ice tilt theories drop by 90%

    And for those of you saying EA has technology to implement something along these lines, please explain to me how it pertains to EASHL where there is no money involved.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    sctty98 wrote: »
    You true believers and your lag theory. There is documented proof the ea has this technology, and yet you still deny it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that it's actually in the game. The dev team has said on numerous occasions that it doesn't exist. It's only good as an excuse for poor play. Quite simply, people aren't as good at this game as they think they are and they can't handle that.

    Im sure EA spent money to develop and patent technology, just to leave it on the shelf. Some people just think they win on skill and can't accept the fact that the game is rigged to keep games close. The dev team is told what the can and can't say. If the suits say deny, that's what they do.

    They can't even say if they are working on a particular aspect of the game. You really think they are going to admit if there is something that can effect the outcome of a game that is out of the player's control? Give me a break.

    Not saying what they are working on is entirely different. NHLDev commented on that recently. They can't talk about something they aren't sure is coming. If you tell a community X feature is being worked on, then it doesn't get completed in time or doesn't work out as intended, the community gets upset, calls them liars, starts making assumptions and it generally just blows up. It goes back to the 'This is why we can't have nice things' saying. People hold them accountable even if the say X feature may or may not make it in. Also, there are marketing plans normally. EA especially likes to let news trickle out before release. If they start talking about something early it kinda ruins those marketing plans. That goes for pretty much any company with a marketing budget.

    What you guys are totally failing to see is that EA has been on the record about saying there is no ice tilt. They can't make statements like that without being able to back them up. They can be held accountable for what they say.

    I really don't get why people think this company, who is very passionate about their hockey game, would make a system that takes all skill and competition out of it by adding a system where the winner is chosen based on some algorithm that reads the minds of the humans involved, or checks their record and then decides that somehow one of them is less likely to play again unless their win is scripted. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to script that? Let alone the tremendous amount of processing power it would take to have that kind of system? Then there's the bottom line that it's not something they would remotely want in the game. I'm also convinced you all truly don't believe it's in or you wouldn't play this game. You wouldn't come here and blame the game for your losses because you wouldn't play a game where your inputs from the controller don't matter.

    If you truly believe in ice tilt then put down your controller and let the "scripting" win the game for you. Seriously. Next time you're on a losing streak and you think the tilt is going to kick in for you, put it down, step away and see how well the "scripting" engine does for you. If you're going to believe in mystical ice tilt where nothing you do matters, then you don't even need to touch the controller. Good luck to ya.

    Um, how is that different from any and every game out there, regardless of platform? Simple. It isn't any different from anyone else, yet many others talk about upcoming things. EA simply doesn't want the devs to talk about what may be.

    As for marketing, well let me put it this way. It is the saving grace of this series with HUT.
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