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Dynamic difficulty is ruining versus play

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  • Fatboyee
    83 posts Member
    Yet another game. The exact type of game i described. I dominated, he only had 3 shots in the first period and 6 by the end of the second. 10 shots overall to my 33. however he scored 4 goals on those 6 shots. They weren't snap shots, slappers or snipes.

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    I open the scoring and then its the following

    Goal one weak one timer
    Goal two weak one timer
    Goal three walks out of the corner and backhands it far side
    Goal four weak one timer

    Then I score my 2nd part way through the third after many chances. The next faceoff, and suddenly there's latency on my controls. the ping hasn't changed, but the latency only appeared after I scored. Making it harder to do anything, however still i dominate. I could tell by the types of goals scored against me, and the way his AI played, that i was getting so many chances despite his goalie saving everything, he had a lower rank/CR. I was right.

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    I've literally had 4 out of 5 games just like this one. You can see them there. I actually quit a few in frustration.
  • Fatboyee
    83 posts Member
    only one game did i get dominated by a player. I had so much latency on my controls every pass was intercepted or went the wrong way, and every shot was knocked down or deflected. The worst feeling is playing the game and you hit pass or shoot and NOTHING happens, or it happens half a second later. No lag on that one. the ping was good, just all controls happened delayed.

    Oh and that single win in my last 8 despite dominating in 7 out of 8, that low ranked player was in it until the very last 10 seconds. I should have taken a screen shot, but if i recall i dominated him and kept him under 10 shots to barely win. If I'm able to keep opponents under 10 shots per game, you would think i had a better chance at winning. Not in this game.
  • Fatboyee
    83 posts Member
    before the losing streak, my CR was in the 640 range. i routinely hit walls where it doesn't matter how i play, there's certain games that are impossible to score, impossible to control, or simply impossible to win. Those games you will routinely see your own players put the puck in your net, or get kicked out for a game misconduct, take random penalties off face offs. etc...

    All the components are there to make this a fun game, but its clear there are components that make players feel cheated. I'd love to see some stats from EA that shows the player ranks/CR in relation to the EA servers, or the percentage of hosted games in relation to how close the user is to EA servers.
  • Fatboyee
    83 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Fatboyee wrote: »
    Give me accurate skill based passing that doesnt require using vision control to hit my target. Specifically cross crease!

    Try lowering your pass assist to 0. It's completely in your control then.

    Tried that, and its not completely in my control. you still get passes that go in directions you aren't pressing.


  • Fatboyee wrote: »
    Yet another game. The exact type of game i described. I dominated, he only had 3 shots in the first period and 6 by the end of the second. 10 shots overall to my 33. however he scored 4 goals on those 6 shots. They weren't snap shots, slappers or snipes.

    krhtxy9p0nb8.jpg

    I open the scoring and then its the following

    Goal one weak one timer
    Goal two weak one timer
    Goal three walks out of the corner and backhands it far side
    Goal four weak one timer

    Then I score my 2nd part way through the third after many chances. The next faceoff, and suddenly there's latency on my controls. the ping hasn't changed, but the latency only appeared after I scored. Making it harder to do anything, however still i dominate. I could tell by the types of goals scored against me, and the way his AI played, that i was getting so many chances despite his goalie saving everything, he had a lower rank/CR. I was right.

    7m31rjzcnz7p.jpg

    gwa7bqr4m9b3.jpg

    I've literally had 4 out of 5 games just like this one. You can see them there. I actually quit a few in frustration.

    Careful. I created a thread like this awhile ago with screens and gifs, and the naysayers will always tell you that you're obviously not taking the best shots. You're shooting too much from the blue line or something. Oh wait, you have more possession time than the other team? Means you're just passing too much in the O zone.

    33 shots to 10 and you lose the game by a goal. This happens way too much to be a coincidence. It usually happens when I'm on a streak and the game decides I'm going to play a much less skilled team and absolutely nothing works. It lets me win to keep playing and then I lose a game like this, against a far less superior team, and then lose 25 CR for it. Which makes me want to keep playing to get it back, but then I lose another game in the same fashion, so I keep trying.

    Congrats EA. Your formula really does work.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Fatboyee wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Fatboyee wrote: »
    Give me accurate skill based passing that doesnt require using vision control to hit my target. Specifically cross crease!

    Try lowering your pass assist to 0. It's completely in your control then.

    Tried that, and its not completely in my control. you still get passes that go in directions you aren't pressing.


    Can you post some video of it with the button indicators showing? Hit Y/Triangle to drop the playback controls menu. Then we can see where you're passing.
  • Lol fatboyee you think that’s bad? Look at my YouTube upload of a game from a few weeks ago.

    youtu.be/DOWsxj57-Yw (Part 1)

    youtu.be/68SgzHy-ERo (Part 2)
  • Treatmentworke66
    977 posts Member
    edited July 2019
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?

    I love hockey and being 53 and not being able to play anymore this is the closest I get ..lol
    Post edited by Treatmentworke66 on
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?

    I love hockey and being 53 and not being able to play anymore this is the closest I get ..lol

    Ok. Just seems odd someone would play a game when they feel they don't have control over the outcome. To each their own though.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?

    I love hockey and being 53 and not being able to play anymore this is the closest I get ..lol

    Ok. Just seems odd someone would play a game when they feel they don't have control over the outcome. To each their own though.

    Remember, for most people, this only becomes an issue when they lose.

    Although there are a few who claim they see ice tilt and complain about it even when they lose, the vast majority of the 'DDA' crowd are simply venting on the forums after a few losses.

    Especially OP. Not to be offensive here, but if you are hovering in the 650-700CR level, you're going to face some stiff competition that knows how to work this game like magic. You either have to concede defeat when it happens, or else you become a conspiracy theorist for a bloody videogame.

    I believe we are witnessing the latter.
  • >
    > It got to the point i could predict the outcome of a game based on the point threshold. I switched to using the leafs and found it impossible to win two games in a row.
    >

    How do you predict the outcome when you don't find out the opponent's rating until the end?
  • [quote="dougboy90;c-2076156"]

    It got to the point i could predict the outcome of a game based on the point threshold. I switched to using the leafs and found it impossible to win two games in a row.


    How do you predict the outcome when you don't find out the opponent's rating until the end? [/quote]

    It’s from playing so long and noticing patterns in the game and the way the AI is playing and when every time there’s a stutter in the gameplay or face off you know the guys gonna win the faceoff to the d-man hit a slap shot and score or when your dominating with high scoring chances and the other guy comes back through the neutral zone gets body checked by you at the line and loses the puck but his body stretches miraculously and he gains control of he puck with his stick as he gets stick checked again and still skates through as he is already crossing the line. Then he just lets a wrister go at the top of the point that flies in past your goalie...then the rest of the game you can’t stay in the offensive zone and all his players are faster than you all of a sudden. That’s how you know you’re gonna lose
  • rblaze1988 wrote: »
    Lol fatboyee you think that’s bad? Look at my YouTube upload of a game from a few weeks ago.

    youtu.be/DOWsxj57-Yw (Part 1)

    youtu.be/68SgzHy-ERo (Part 2)

    Ouch that looks familiar
  • dougboy90 wrote: »
    >
    > It got to the point i could predict the outcome of a game based on the point threshold. I switched to using the leafs and found it impossible to win two games in a row.
    >

    How do you predict the outcome when you don't find out the opponent's rating until the end?

    You can tell by what fools them or how they play. I think im up to 700+ games online. So u start noticing trends pretty quickly
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?

    I love hockey and being 53 and not being able to play anymore this is the closest I get ..lol

    Ok. Just seems odd someone would play a game when they feel they don't have control over the outcome. To each their own though.

    Remember, for most people, this only becomes an issue when they lose.

    Although there are a few who claim they see ice tilt and complain about it even when they lose, the vast majority of the 'DDA' crowd are simply venting on the forums after a few losses.

    Especially OP. Not to be offensive here, but if you are hovering in the 650-700CR level, you're going to face some stiff competition that knows how to work this game like magic. You either have to concede defeat when it happens, or else you become a conspiracy theorist for a bloody videogame.

    I believe we are witnessing the latter.

    Its not a conspiracy theory. That much is for certain.
  • Fatboyee
    83 posts Member
    edited July 2019
    Even last year i spent a lot of time hovering in the top 1000 usually around 300th. I got close to cracking the top 100 a bunch of times. Then at some point it became impossible to win. Something changed and i dropped to 2000th and i stopped playing. It suddenly became less fun and every game was a ridiculous grind to beat someone with a low cr.

    Anyway if you play enough games, you see what people do and how they play. You can tell if they are a rookie or pro. You can tell by the way the goalie plays, you can tell by the way the AI helps. You can tell if your goalie lets in 50% of shots against early in the game, and you can tell if your team can't hold onto a puck.
    Post edited by Fatboyee on
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    rblaze1988 wrote: »
    dougboy90 wrote: »

    It got to the point i could predict the outcome of a game based on the point threshold. I switched to using the leafs and found it impossible to win two games in a row.


    How do you predict the outcome when you don't find out the opponent's rating until the end?

    It’s from playing so long and noticing patterns in the game and the way the AI is playing and when every time there’s a stutter in the gameplay or face off you know the guys gonna win the faceoff to the d-man hit a slap shot and score or when your dominating with high scoring chances and the other guy comes back through the neutral zone gets body checked by you at the line and loses the puck but his body stretches miraculously and he gains control of he puck with his stick as he gets stick checked again and still skates through as he is already crossing the line. Then he just lets a wrister go at the top of the point that flies in past your goalie...then the rest of the game you can’t stay in the offensive zone and all his players are faster than you all of a sudden. That’s how you know you’re gonna lose

    A stutter in the faceoff sounds like lag. Of course you're going to lose it then. The same goes for gameplay. If you're lagging and your opponent isn't, that's not DDA or ice tilt, that's a bad connection. As far as faster players go, I've just never noticed this. Unless they're using higher overall players. That or my players are fatigued. I haven't seen any Stretch Armstrong players out miraculously gaining control of the puck. Yeah, weird things happen at times. There's some stuff that can be unrealistic. It's a video game. In no way do I think the game is decided to pick one player to win over the other and script the outcome for them.
  • Fatboyee wrote: »
    Its not a conspiracy theory. That much is for certain.

    How is that certain?
    NHLDev wrote: »

    There is no DDA in NHL


    The people in charge of making this game are telling you that your theory about Ice Tilt/DDA is 100% false.

    Then, you say:
    Fatboyee wrote: »

    Confirmed its not in the game. Thats because its in the match making server!


    So you've been told it isn't in the game - so you switch your theory to 'matchmaking server' which LITERALLY has ZERO to do with actual gameplay.

    Sorry, Fatboyeee - this is the definition of a conspiracy theory.
  • TheMajjam
    794 posts Member
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Sinbin wrote: »
    Oh yeah it's in the game

    Why do you guys even keep playing if the computer gives you your wins? Don't you want to earn them on your own?

    I love hockey and being 53 and not being able to play anymore this is the closest I get ..lol

    Ok. Just seems odd someone would play a game when they feel they don't have control over the outcome. To each their own though.

    Remember, for most people, this only becomes an issue when they lose.

    Although there are a few who claim they see ice tilt and complain about it even when they lose, the vast majority of the 'DDA' crowd are simply venting on the forums after a few losses.

    Especially OP. Not to be offensive here, but if you are hovering in the 650-700CR level, you're going to face some stiff competition that knows how to work this game like magic. You either have to concede defeat when it happens, or else you become a conspiracy theorist for a bloody videogame.

    I believe we are witnessing the latter.

    I think I can speak for most people who have played this game at a competition level at about what LG operates, that losing sucks, but it's not the end all, be all. Losing is going to happen, and that's to be expected. Definitely not worthy of venting in the forums. However, the manner in which these loses (and wins) can occur, can be and should be debated.

    I said it before, and I'll say it again. In the entirety of the internet, videos, forums, gaming forums, I have not seen the level of benefit of the doubt that some of you are giving this company in terms of 100% believing every word that they say to their customers. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but EA is one of those companies where a grain of salt should be taken with each and every word that comes out of the mouths of their employees. Unfortunately, they've earned that distrust.

    As much as you think it's ludicrous for people to think DDA (or whatever version of it exists out there) exists in this game even though EA employees said it doesn't, I think it's equally ludicrous for people to go all in on the EA train as they show time and time again that they are mistrustful despite what they've said about 'X' game.
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