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DontNeedTips
187 posts Member
edited October 2018
Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

I think the gameplay is exceptional

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  • As a knowledgable hockey fan we agree and disagree, the glaring issues of pucks being tapped from unreal angles. The ability to close gaps with attacking skaters without having to worry about being burned. The stick check being "too" effective a dev literally argued that a good dman would take away every shot which is just plainly false. Netfront battles are terrible and a bit worthless as you can't get off a shot in close even with body position because of the nudging from behind and stick check effectiveness when most goals in real hockey are gritty grind em out goals of picking up a loose puck in close.

    Along with several in puck battles between players. Such as the overability to play the body in close, and the bad transitions when picking up the puck from a stand still like off a faceoff. Numerous issues.
  • Just a minor added point to that is I play defense in this game competitively and I am not saying as dmen we shouldn't be effective, however our effectiveness should be body position and getting sticks in lanes not to stop shots but getting in it's way when you take a shot in rl and a player hits your stick before release the puck doesn't sit in that spot you stopped if it has momentum it's taking a shot or going low. Playing this game and then watching a real game makes it plainly obvious a change is needed as the high energy excitement is replaced with a conjested chore.
  • Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    For sure!!
  • Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !
  • Skill gap ?!?! Where ?!??
  • Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.
  • Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.

    Matchmaking errors.
    Dressing room errors.
    Freezing games.
    Overly aggressive AI.
    Superstar+ goalies.
    Like penalties? I'll give you penalties, while you're penalized for your penalty.
    AI penalties online.
    AI penalties offline.
    Laggy menus.
    Redundant menus.
    Trash stick physics.
    Recycled offline trash modes.
    Impossible puck intercepts, puck physics, loose puck physics.
    Saros.
    Low population forcing more play against AI feels like a D league pickup against team Canada.
    Allowing players to enter games with less than 5 seconds with no backing out.
    Allowing 2 players in a 6v6 game.
    Lack of foresight to introduce a search to allow teams to force a search for Club games with more than [X] number of opponents.
    Everything that is Ones.
    Everything that is Lootbags.
    Everything that is street clothing and one word/sentence bro chirps. Personal hate favorite.
    Personalized goal music/sounds. Personal hate favorite.
    Wanting outdoor stadiums doesn't equate to shoddy, low energy, low ambient outdoor rinks. (Plus for clouds for ice shade. I guess that's something).
    Hits from behind.
    Auto-steals.
    Legends, or lack there of.
    Shoddy presentation in all modes.
    Freezing and glitching during gameplay pausing and intermission.
    Invisible walls in goal.
    Racist teams and players with no oversight.
    Goal exploits (Rebound, around the net fake wrap around)

    Great game. When it works.
  • @Above1988

    I play D bro.

    I do play some games at center but that's becuase I do enjoy playing like my two favorite players in the league (Ryan Getzlaf, Ryan Kesler) and a truly dominate center probably has the second biggest impact on the team besides goalie when it comes to giving your team a chance to win.

  • TheMajjam wrote: »
    Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.

    Matchmaking errors.
    Dressing room errors.
    Freezing games.
    Overly aggressive AI.
    Superstar+ goalies.
    Like penalties? I'll give you penalties, while you're penalized for your penalty.
    AI penalties online.
    AI penalties offline.
    Laggy menus.
    Redundant menus.
    Trash stick physics.
    Recycled offline trash modes.
    Impossible puck intercepts, puck physics, loose puck physics.
    Saros.
    Low population forcing more play against AI feels like a D league pickup against team Canada.
    Allowing players to enter games with less than 5 seconds with no backing out.
    Allowing 2 players in a 6v6 game.
    Lack of foresight to introduce a search to allow teams to force a search for Club games with more than [X] number of opponents.
    Everything that is Ones.
    Everything that is Lootbags.
    Everything that is street clothing and one word/sentence bro chirps. Personal hate favorite.
    Personalized goal music/sounds. Personal hate favorite.
    Wanting outdoor stadiums doesn't equate to shoddy, low energy, low ambient outdoor rinks. (Plus for clouds for ice shade. I guess that's something).
    Hits from behind.
    Auto-steals.
    Legends, or lack there of.
    Shoddy presentation in all modes.
    Freezing and glitching during gameplay pausing and intermission.
    Invisible walls in goal.
    Racist teams and players with no oversight.
    Goal exploits (Rebound, around the net fake wrap around)

    Great game. When it works.

    Well about 85% of what you listed, I don't care for, or it doesn't bother me.

    All I play is EASHL and I have no issues with loot bags and everything else that came with it. When searching for 6s games, I am never forced to play 2 vs 3. It is rarely less than 5 vs 5 and it rarely takes more than 20 seconds to find a game.

    And seriously, your hatred for loot bags is how I feel about Legends. I really couldn't care less playing with players from 25 or 40 years ago. I don't play any modes that have to do with NHL, past or present.
  • TheMajjam wrote: »
    Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.

    Matchmaking errors.
    Dressing room errors.
    Freezing games.
    Overly aggressive AI.
    Superstar+ goalies.
    Like penalties? I'll give you penalties, while you're penalized for your penalty.
    AI penalties online.
    AI penalties offline.
    Laggy menus.
    Redundant menus.
    Trash stick physics.
    Recycled offline trash modes.
    Impossible puck intercepts, puck physics, loose puck physics.
    Saros.
    Low population forcing more play against AI feels like a D league pickup against team Canada.
    Allowing players to enter games with less than 5 seconds with no backing out.
    Allowing 2 players in a 6v6 game.
    Lack of foresight to introduce a search to allow teams to force a search for Club games with more than [X] number of opponents.
    Everything that is Ones.
    Everything that is Lootbags.
    Everything that is street clothing and one word/sentence bro chirps. Personal hate favorite.
    Personalized goal music/sounds. Personal hate favorite.
    Wanting outdoor stadiums doesn't equate to shoddy, low energy, low ambient outdoor rinks. (Plus for clouds for ice shade. I guess that's something).
    Hits from behind.
    Auto-steals.
    Legends, or lack there of.
    Shoddy presentation in all modes.
    Freezing and glitching during gameplay pausing and intermission.
    Invisible walls in goal.
    Racist teams and players with no oversight.
    Goal exploits (Rebound, around the net fake wrap around)

    Great game. When it works.

    Well about 85% of what you listed, I don't care for, or it doesn't bother me.

    All I play is EASHL and I have no issues with loot bags and everything else that came with it. When searching for 6s games, I am never forced to play 2 vs 3. It is rarely less than 5 vs 5 and it rarely takes more than 20 seconds to find a game.

    And seriously, your hatred for loot bags is how I feel about Legends. I really couldn't care less playing with players from 25 or 40 years ago. I don't play any modes that have to do with NHL, past or present.

    I have never understood this hate for the hockey bags? You can’t buy them so it’s not a cash grab. It’s just a way to dole out the customization stuff for WoC.
    I personally would prefer drop ins in an arena with uniforms but I don’t play drops much, too many guys think they can dangle everyone, anytime an AI gets the puck all you hear is tap tap tap. Maybe 25% of games you get some guys that try to actually work together.
  • TheMajjam wrote: »
    Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.

    Matchmaking errors.
    Dressing room errors.
    Freezing games.
    Overly aggressive AI.
    Superstar+ goalies.
    Like penalties? I'll give you penalties, while you're penalized for your penalty.
    AI penalties online.
    AI penalties offline.
    Laggy menus.
    Redundant menus.
    Trash stick physics.
    Recycled offline trash modes.
    Impossible puck intercepts, puck physics, loose puck physics.
    Saros.
    Low population forcing more play against AI feels like a D league pickup against team Canada.
    Allowing players to enter games with less than 5 seconds with no backing out.
    Allowing 2 players in a 6v6 game.
    Lack of foresight to introduce a search to allow teams to force a search for Club games with more than [X] number of opponents.
    Everything that is Ones.
    Everything that is Lootbags.
    Everything that is street clothing and one word/sentence bro chirps. Personal hate favorite.
    Personalized goal music/sounds. Personal hate favorite.
    Wanting outdoor stadiums doesn't equate to shoddy, low energy, low ambient outdoor rinks. (Plus for clouds for ice shade. I guess that's something).
    Hits from behind.
    Auto-steals.
    Legends, or lack there of.
    Shoddy presentation in all modes.
    Freezing and glitching during gameplay pausing and intermission.
    Invisible walls in goal.
    Racist teams and players with no oversight.
    Goal exploits (Rebound, around the net fake wrap around)

    Great game. When it works.

    Well about 85% of what you listed, I don't care for, or it doesn't bother me.

    All I play is EASHL and I have no issues with loot bags and everything else that came with it. When searching for 6s games, I am never forced to play 2 vs 3. It is rarely less than 5 vs 5 and it rarely takes more than 20 seconds to find a game.

    And seriously, your hatred for loot bags is how I feel about Legends. I really couldn't care less playing with players from 25 or 40 years ago. I don't play any modes that have to do with NHL, past or present.

    That's still 15% and if your 15% is part of gameplay that's a huge problem.
  • CMBDeadly wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    Above1988 wrote: »
    Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    You hear that EA !? Sydney Crosby here thinks the game is fine !

    So do I. Great game, when it works.

    Matchmaking errors.
    Dressing room errors.
    Freezing games.
    Overly aggressive AI.
    Superstar+ goalies.
    Like penalties? I'll give you penalties, while you're penalized for your penalty.
    AI penalties online.
    AI penalties offline.
    Laggy menus.
    Redundant menus.
    Trash stick physics.
    Recycled offline trash modes.
    Impossible puck intercepts, puck physics, loose puck physics.
    Saros.
    Low population forcing more play against AI feels like a D league pickup against team Canada.
    Allowing players to enter games with less than 5 seconds with no backing out.
    Allowing 2 players in a 6v6 game.
    Lack of foresight to introduce a search to allow teams to force a search for Club games with more than [X] number of opponents.
    Everything that is Ones.
    Everything that is Lootbags.
    Everything that is street clothing and one word/sentence bro chirps. Personal hate favorite.
    Personalized goal music/sounds. Personal hate favorite.
    Wanting outdoor stadiums doesn't equate to shoddy, low energy, low ambient outdoor rinks. (Plus for clouds for ice shade. I guess that's something).
    Hits from behind.
    Auto-steals.
    Legends, or lack there of.
    Shoddy presentation in all modes.
    Freezing and glitching during gameplay pausing and intermission.
    Invisible walls in goal.
    Racist teams and players with no oversight.
    Goal exploits (Rebound, around the net fake wrap around)

    Great game. When it works.

    Well about 85% of what you listed, I don't care for, or it doesn't bother me.

    All I play is EASHL and I have no issues with loot bags and everything else that came with it. When searching for 6s games, I am never forced to play 2 vs 3. It is rarely less than 5 vs 5 and it rarely takes more than 20 seconds to find a game.

    And seriously, your hatred for loot bags is how I feel about Legends. I really couldn't care less playing with players from 25 or 40 years ago. I don't play any modes that have to do with NHL, past or present.

    That's still 15% and if your 15% is part of gameplay that's a huge problem.

    Well yea, I agree.

    But gameplay for the most part is ok. Sure there are issues, but it is still better than 15-18 era. At least the game is fun again and we have much better control than TPS ever could give. I wouldn't mind if they rolled back to version 1.0 as the beta was more fun, but that is personal taste.
  • kitchener_boy
    354 posts Member
    edited October 2018
    Roll it back to the Beta is the best thing they can do right now! Walamart has restocked on the NHL PS4 bundles but I dont trust EA at all and I dont think I ever will. EA needs to get rid of all sliders..just keep the stratagy adjustments like Crash,and overload ect ect..but NHL92 93 94 had one skill level..attributes ment something in 94! Speed,shot accuracy,ect ect..go back to those days.
    NONE of us want a game pleasing 13 year olds...go get your kids a Nintendo NES Ice Hockey game if they wanna play hockey..or Radio Shack electronic table hockey on Ebay!.
    And as far as the Lag Switchers go..get out of here and go ruin the lives of COD.
  • 6s gameplay seems to be the best ever imo. It’s still far from great but it’s the best iteration for sure.

    The offline play is still a mess. Super-buffed opponent AI, super-dumb teammate AI. CPU goalie is unreal, human goalie is...not. AI plays their strats somewhat well, but could still be improved. It’s still fun for me, but needs a lot of work.
  • Game isn’t horrible but definitely not a definitive step in right direction. As we saw post tuner, skating (and game in general) can definitely move backwards. My issues with the gameplay:

    Skating was nerfed across the board, original skating made game feel like the best game in decades. Puck protect is way overpowered, stick lift and poke check have been nerfed so it is effected more by attributes than positioning. Goalies are either superhuman or very very bad. No in between. Rare to get 2-3 goal games. It’s either 0-1 or 4+. This is the same with other AI players, they’re inconsistent so too many games are decided by how the AI splays. Servers are terrible, constant disconnects. Offline the ratings are a nightmare. Schwartz is rated higher than Forsberg ... let that sink in.

    Cosmetic is bad too:

    Graphics need severe update. Lag behind every other sports game. Player faces and equipment are completely off. I’ve made my own rosters including equipment, faces, and attributes and it’s more accurate than a whole team of people doing this for MONEY. I work and go to college and still have the time to update it, there is simply no excuse.
  • Sinbin
    1331 posts Member
    6s gameplay seems to be the best ever imo. It’s still far from great but it’s the best iteration for sure.

    The offline play is still a mess. Super-buffed opponent AI, super-dumb teammate AI. CPU goalie is unreal, human goalie is...not. AI plays their strats somewhat well, but could still be improved. It’s still fun for me, but needs a lot of work.

    For offline play, just adjust the sliders so it better meets your play style. Unless you mean HUT. Obviously you can't do that for HUT.
  • Sinbin wrote: »
    6s gameplay seems to be the best ever imo. It’s still far from great but it’s the best iteration for sure.

    The offline play is still a mess. Super-buffed opponent AI, super-dumb teammate AI. CPU goalie is unreal, human goalie is...not. AI plays their strats somewhat well, but could still be improved. It’s still fun for me, but needs a lot of work.

    For offline play, just adjust the sliders so it better meets your play style. Unless you mean HUT. Obviously you can't do that for HUT.

    Good advice bud. I’m definitely new and have never heard of sliders before. I’ll make sure to turn up the “teammate intelligence” slider for better teammates 🙄
  • Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    If you understand hockey, and I mean truly understand it, you absolutely hate this game. It resembles nothing like the actual game of hockey. Glitch goals, invincible puck protecting methods, trap D game in and game out, horrible puck pickups, AI out of position more often than in position, getting caught from behind on every breakaway, checking from behind on breakaways causing pucks to go every direction but the one they should, out playing/dominating opponents that result in 1 goal wins/losses, spamming stick lift, spamming poke, "vision control skating" (because everyone enters the ozone by back skating and then somehow picking up even more speed when transitioning forward - makes sense)....need I go on?
  • Gameplay is so much better than previous years it's not even close.

    I see a definite skill gap in forwards and dmen.

    If you understand hockey, I'm talking about truly understanding it, I don't see how you can't love this game

    If you're a casual observer, with amateur knowledge its most likely going to be reflected in your play.

    I think the gameplay is exceptional

    If you understand hockey, and I mean truly understand it, you absolutely hate this game. It resembles nothing like the actual game of hockey. Glitch goals, invincible puck protecting methods, trap D game in and game out, horrible puck pickups, AI out of position more often than in position, getting caught from behind on every breakaway, checking from behind on breakaways causing pucks to go every direction but the one they should, out playing/dominating opponents that result in 1 goal wins/losses, spamming stick lift, spamming poke, "vision control skating" (because everyone enters the ozone by back skating and then somehow picking up even more speed when transitioning forward - makes sense)....need I go on?

    As someone who plays competitive hockey in a Canadian league with players that are collegiate as well as junior level skill on the Air Force Academy rink I agree with you 100%. If you truly understand hockey you'd know that this game doesn't at all resemble hockey.
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