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Reverting the game back to beta stages means bad defenders getting rewarded again.

When you dingle dangle, you won't beat them, they will throw a last ditch stick lift or hit when beat and ruin your chance of going 1 on 1 with Goalie.

Im with you. Something needed to be done. I just don't think this will be the answer and given time... Will not be looked fondly upon since improvements have been made in the area since then.

Just my opinion for what it's worth

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  • Froommey
    800 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    You are right. Many will rant again about the gameplay, when they bring back the Beta Tuner. It’s not the yes and Amen of the online gameplay. We will see .....
  • Guys this is just to try out the things that worked on the beta. After that we'll be asked again what we like from before and after, and hopefully we can all come to a consensus about what would make the NHL franchise great for 19, 20 and beyond. Give EA a break will you they are trying.
  • So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Agree.
  • Reverting the game back to beta stages means bad defenders getting rewarded again.

    When you dingle dangle, you won't beat them, they will throw a last ditch stick lift or hit when beat and ruin your chance of going 1 on 1 with Goalie.

    Im with you. Something needed to be done. I just don't think this will be the answer and given time... Will not be looked fondly upon since improvements have been made in the area since then.

    Just my opinion for what it's worth

    Not sure what you're talking about. 1.00 punishes bad defense. It even takes away the poke check technically because of the penalties. You're going to see a lot of stick lifts again, but I'd rather have that than 45 minute games because there's a trip every few seconds. Dingle dangles happen, but should not happen in the frequency they have been. If you tangle and get a step, if I'm close enough to lift your stick it shouldn't be a bad thing. One man skating in circles all the time is a bad thing. There needs to be an even break between offense and defense, while letting skill determine who gets the upper hand. I'm glad they're going back to tweak to see what can be done. I'm a damn good defender as well, and sitting in the short side spot to block shots all game is boring and unrealistic. Stop telling people they need to basically adapt to crap mechanics.
  • TheMajjam wrote: »
    Reverting the game back to beta stages means bad defenders getting rewarded again.

    When you dingle dangle, you won't beat them, they will throw a last ditch stick lift or hit when beat and ruin your chance of going 1 on 1 with Goalie.

    Im with you. Something needed to be done. I just don't think this will be the answer and given time... Will not be looked fondly upon since improvements have been made in the area since then.

    Just my opinion for what it's worth

    Not sure what you're talking about. 1.00 punishes bad defense. It even takes away the poke check technically because of the penalties. You're going to see a lot of stick lifts again, but I'd rather have that than 45 minute games because there's a trip every few seconds. Dingle dangles happen, but should not happen in the frequency they have been. If you tangle and get a step, if I'm close enough to lift your stick it shouldn't be a bad thing. One man skating in circles all the time is a bad thing. There needs to be an even break between offense and defense, while letting skill determine who gets the upper hand. I'm glad they're going back to tweak to see what can be done. I'm a damn good defender as well, and sitting in the short side spot to block shots all game is boring and unrealistic. Stop telling people they need to basically adapt to crap mechanics.

    Yup.
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well
  • So basically no more figure skating. Good.
  • When?
  • In case you forgot, the beta was the only reason many of us bought the game this year. I remember the flaws and I’ll take those flaws over the train wreck the game is now. At least it promoted gameplay that actually resembled hockey.
  • jiajji
    334 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.
  • Reverting the game back to beta stages means bad defenders getting rewarded again.

    When you dingle dangle, you won't beat them, they will throw a last ditch stick lift or hit when beat and ruin your chance of going 1 on 1 with Goalie.

    Im with you. Something needed to be done. I just don't think this will be the answer and given time... Will not be looked fondly upon since improvements have been made in the area since then.

    Just my opinion for what it's worth

    The problem is there was only 3 or 4 of us saying this for the past couple months, beta people have been unrelenting in wanting to return to the unpolished version of the game, so here we are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    All we need is a tune for the goalies to stop the two cheese shots and gameplay is done.
  • zingaa1
    406 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    Unreal figure skating shouldn't happen in 3's either. Did I mention anywhere I wanted a new game? or that I wanted the old tuner back? Remind me if so
  • TheMajjam
    794 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    There's a difference between owning the ice you're on and doing piroettes by yourself because you can't get poked or checked just so you can score a short sider. That's all 3s is now. Ragging wasn't an issue before a few tuners. You had to pass. That or you'd get laid out, nudged off the puck, or stick lifted.
  • Actually, the cheese shots dont bother me at all, nor really disrupt gameplay too much in my experience. Maybe because I usually expect the shooter to actors from that whole hash marks/top of the circle neighborhood and naturally defend it. Dunno.

    My beef has always been stick play and lack of short distance acceleration, top end has been fine. If anything were to be nerfed it should be accelerating from 75 to %100. . Playing with lower camera angles I feel my opinion isn’t too far off..that is it doesn’t suffer from the lack of speed which would natuerally be perceived from the top down tiddlewink views. But I digress. In 6v6 average penalty minutes continue to be in the mid 30min per game and the way bodies behave regarding any stick contact is ..well..it’s kinda embarrassing. Particularly because although I still use a wood stick I tried someone’s carbon fiber not too long ago ...which weigh absolutely nothing.. and would bring no one down. Hell the thing barely even left any bruising on my shins. Anyway. Those things aren’t bringing anything down. Let alone what goes on in this game after any contact.
    All Comments pertain to 6v6 drop in unless otherwise stated..
  • zingaa1 wrote: »
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    Unreal figure skating shouldn't happen in 3's either. Did I mention anywhere I wanted a new game? or that I wanted the old tuner back? Remind me if so

    So you're a 3s player who gets burned when you try to close the gap?
  • jiajji
    334 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    There's a difference between owning the ice you're on and doing piroettes by yourself because you can't get poked or checked just so you can score a short sider. That's all 3s is now. Ragging wasn't an issue before a few tuners. You had to pass. That or you'd get laid out, nudged off the puck, or stick lifted.

    I think its been established that the reason you couldn't skate prior to the tune was because of the overpowered body contact causing the puck to be lost on every touch.

    You can't pirouette, you can carve edges, which is realistic and difficult to deal with. What people want is a way to neutralize good skaters after they've been beaten, which is the nudge from behind which shouldn't work at all. A skater should obviously have an advantage over the d because he's being proactive while the d is being reactivate. There is nothing unreal about that advantage.

    Ragging is a non issue in 6s where hockey is meant to be played. I feel like we have a lot of 3s players with too much influence over gameplay at this point
    Post edited by jiajji on
  • jiajji wrote: »
    TheMajjam wrote: »
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    There's a difference between owning the ice you're on and doing piroettes by yourself because you can't get poked or checked just so you can score a short sider. That's all 3s is now. Ragging wasn't an issue before a few tuners. You had to pass. That or you'd get laid out, nudged off the puck, or stick lifted.

    I think its been established that the reason you couldn't skate prior to the tune was because of the overpowered body contact causing the puck to be lost on every touch.

    You can't pirouette, you can carve edges, which is realistic and difficult to deal with. What people want is a way to neutralize good skaters after they've been beaten, which is the nudge from behind which shouldn't work at all. A skater should obviously have an advantage over the d because he's being proactive while the d is being reactivate. There is nothing unreal about that advantage.

    Ragging is a non issue in 6s where hockey is meant to be played. I feel like we have a lot of 3s players with too much influence over gameplay at this point

    This is why I believe that there should be a different tuning for each game mode. Each one plays differently from the others and they should not be tuned all the same
  • zingaa1
    406 posts Member
    edited December 2018
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    jiajji wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    zingaa1 wrote: »
    So what you're saying in reality is you can't just figure skate in the zone untouched and take a glitch shot over and over? Heaven forbid you get poked? So defenseman can finally play the game fair without the bubble? You poor thing.

    Bro.. I'm a dman.

    I can defend the "glitch shots " All day. That's not a problem.

    The issue lies for me being in West coast going up against anyone on the east coast because they have a clear advantage over connection.

    I would highly suggest re-reading my post. But you're entitled to your interpretation

    Bro, all I play is D as well

    3v3 or 6v6?



    I understand people upset about gameplay in vs & hut, because the game plays much different. In 3v3 the offense should be capable of ragging with all of that open ice. In a 6v6 game if they're getting away with it you need new teammates or something, not a new game.

    Unreal figure skating shouldn't happen in 3's either. Did I mention anywhere I wanted a new game? or that I wanted the old tuner back? Remind me if so

    So you're a 3s player who gets burned when you try to close the gap?

    So you're a figure skater that's upset?
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