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  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    Um, what makes you say the target audience is the simulation audience? Which by the way, I completely disagree with.

    Hey man. I just feel differently. I feel this is a very good representation of hockey.

    I feel that, as of right now anyway, most people are having a hard time getting by me on defense. I play a little different than most though. Dump and chase and hard forecheck. Grinder style ;)

    Keep in mind the other thread I posted up and keep it on the low. We might be playing two different games...

    That's perfectly fine if you feel differently. I just don't see the realism or simulation in players that consistently turn their backs to pierce the defensive line. Or shrug off body checks because they curl their sticks out to the side and practically pull the puck behind their backs in doing so. Also don't see the simulation aspect when players can twirl around in the corners waiting for the backside defender to leave his post or just fire the puck short side top shelf consistently.

    Yes there are other aspects of the game that are more of a simulation, but it isn't the focal point of this game.
  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    Um, what makes you say the target audience is the simulation audience? Which by the way, I completely disagree with.

    Hey man. I just feel differently. I feel this is a very good representation of hockey.

    I feel that, as of right now anyway, most people are having a hard time getting by me on defense. I play a little different than most though. Dump and chase and hard forecheck. Grinder style ;)

    Keep in mind the other thread I posted up and keep it on the low. We might be playing two different games...

    That's perfectly fine if you feel differently. I just don't see the realism or simulation in players that consistently turn their backs to pierce the defensive line. Or shrug off body checks because they curl their sticks out to the side and practically pull the puck behind their backs in doing so. Also don't see the simulation aspect when players can twirl around in the corners waiting for the backside defender to leave his post or just fire the puck short side top shelf consistently.

    Yes there are other aspects of the game that are more of a simulation, but it isn't the focal point of this game.

    Ill agree with one of your points. The curling of the stick to the side and not losing a least a little bit of puck control is a little off.

    But the back turning is fine. I dont mind it. Same with the short side wristers and the cross creases. I can defend very easily all of it.

    For the LTers, and the snipers. Just control a defender, dont over commit, use a contain puck defense and stand in the shooting lane and these guys will shoot the puck and hit you every time.

    For the corner twirlers and cross creases. Plant a Dman and stand in front of your net and guard the man without the puck.

    When I play against people like this its like playing with children.

  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    Um, what makes you say the target audience is the simulation audience? Which by the way, I completely disagree with.

    Hey man. I just feel differently. I feel this is a very good representation of hockey.

    I feel that, as of right now anyway, most people are having a hard time getting by me on defense. I play a little different than most though. Dump and chase and hard forecheck. Grinder style ;)

    Keep in mind the other thread I posted up and keep it on the low. We might be playing two different games...

    That's perfectly fine if you feel differently. I just don't see the realism or simulation in players that consistently turn their backs to pierce the defensive line. Or shrug off body checks because they curl their sticks out to the side and practically pull the puck behind their backs in doing so. Also don't see the simulation aspect when players can twirl around in the corners waiting for the backside defender to leave his post or just fire the puck short side top shelf consistently.

    Yes there are other aspects of the game that are more of a simulation, but it isn't the focal point of this game.

    Ill agree with one of your points. The curling of the stick to the side and not losing a least a little bit of puck control is a little off.

    But the back turning is fine. I dont mind it. Same with the short side wristers and the cross creases. I can defend very easily all of it.

    For the LTers, and the snipers. Just control a defender, dont over commit, use a contain puck defense and stand in the shooting lane and these guys will shoot the puck and hit you every time.

    For the corner twirlers and cross creases. Plant a Dman and stand in front of your net and guard the man without the puck.

    When I play against people like this its like playing with children.

    Well that is pretty good advice and pretty much the way I play. I don't have a whole lot of issues on defense. Problem is, all I play is EASHL and full time D. It is annoying to play properly yet your D partner is clueless or downright terrible. This isn't the game's fault, I know. But it is pretty much the only time I struggle on D.
  • Froommey
    791 posts Member
    edited September 2019
    I made a one year full simulation with 32nd Expansion Team including expansion

    - At expansion draft got players like Hornqvist, Markström, Burns, Henrique, Bouwmeester, Hamhuis, McDonagh, Lehner and some other real good Hockey players ( in reality this never would happen )

    - During the Season NYI made me an offer for Barzal and a Pick for McDonagh ( never would happen in reality ) also other Teams gave me very good offers for a Trade. All Trades to easy with Trade slider on high.
    + Statistics now named by Team name
    + Coach Statistics
    - No Player history about past Trades. Would be necessary to see a History for whom or what Players are traded, Cup Rings, Awards ... A Trade, Award History is more important than this useless Moral History.
    - No Team History for Seasons in Franchise mode. Why is it not possible to see Standings and complete Team Statistics for past Seasons ?
    - From my first feel the Chats with Coaches and Draft Prospects doesn’t influence the Game positive or negative. Same as the Line chemistry. ( I mean now from sim Games )
    - Equipment, Jerseys, Face scans, Goalie masks
    - In Free Agent Pool are very much Elite Players, Top6 Forwards, Top 4 Defenceman. It seems much worser than in 19. I thought you Guys worked about that problem ?

    About Gameplay have only experience of some minutes, but from first sight seems not better than in 19
  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    Um, what makes you say the target audience is the simulation audience? Which by the way, I completely disagree with.

    Hey man. I just feel differently. I feel this is a very good representation of hockey.

    I feel that, as of right now anyway, most people are having a hard time getting by me on defense. I play a little different than most though. Dump and chase and hard forecheck. Grinder style ;)

    Keep in mind the other thread I posted up and keep it on the low. We might be playing two different games...

    That's perfectly fine if you feel differently. I just don't see the realism or simulation in players that consistently turn their backs to pierce the defensive line. Or shrug off body checks because they curl their sticks out to the side and practically pull the puck behind their backs in doing so. Also don't see the simulation aspect when players can twirl around in the corners waiting for the backside defender to leave his post or just fire the puck short side top shelf consistently.

    Yes there are other aspects of the game that are more of a simulation, but it isn't the focal point of this game.

    This to me has been the biggest and dumbest drawback to playing D. The only time I can remember when it wasn't like this was NHL 19 beta, and when they rolled it back to beta settings during the reset. Offensive puck control in this game is so overpowered. When I look back at games like 2K, despite it being an old game, the puck physics were light years beyond anything that was out. I still think the puck physics are better in that game. There's rarely loose pucks in this game. Just silly incidental stick checks where forwards will lose the puck for a half second and regain it again if they're being challenged enough. The ability to not knock forwards who aren't moving their legs, curling the puck to the side, all the whole maintaining the puck, is as you say.. not realistic at all. This is not a hockey simulation game. This is an arcade game dressed to look like a simulation, and not just from a D's standpoint.
  • Follisimo wrote: »
    This is embarrassing. My player should be faceplanted but instead he shrugs off the check with little effort. Can they not differ a bump from behind and a check with force from behind? I felt baby bumps were too much, but this is just crazy how I don't get destroyed.

    LT backskate is a joke. Thanks for providing a great example of how ridiculous it is.

    EA should put line of code in that if you do this your player becomes Steve Moore and has to leave the game
  • Please I don't want to hear that the LT has been nerfed ,the four games I played last night all four of my opponents did that stupid LT ,and now when you try to check them you bounce right off ,and please don't tell me that it's in my head as I'm writing this watching some streamer do nothing but LT ing
  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    Um, what makes you say the target audience is the simulation audience? Which by the way, I completely disagree with.

    Hey man. I just feel differently. I feel this is a very good representation of hockey.

    I feel that, as of right now anyway, most people are having a hard time getting by me on defense. I play a little different than most though. Dump and chase and hard forecheck. Grinder style ;)

    Keep in mind the other thread I posted up and keep it on the low. We might be playing two different games...

    3x3 pond hockey and arcade mode is a good representation? I've only played defense for 10 plus years, you think you're giving them a hard time? Just wait, back skating and the figure skating play will take center stage and they will run through you because EA caters to offense, always have. Being able to dangle through traffic and bodies is far from realistic, it's a joke, thus the reason this franchise is losing veteran players at an alarming rate. Hey, good luck with defending in 20
  • Makes me glad I played out the rest of my contracts in 19 and retired.
  • The sad part is this game could be incredible if they took out the arcade lt moves. They are overpowered.
  • 100% cancelling my preorder. As soon as I saw the opposing AI is still programmed to react to your button inputs it made up my mind immediately. Not playing another year where online vs and hut feels no different than playing a single player game due to people not having to be responsible defensively and just allowing their CPU to do it for them.

    EA just completely doesnt get the fact that in an online game they are trying to push into esports with, you cant have AI being a bigger factor for a win then the player themselves. For ONLINE modes the AI aggression should be set to absolutely nothing, but they should be great positional to allow the human to switch to them and make the defensive play. If the human doesnt want to switch to them to stop you, he deserves to be scored on.

    Dont get how it's so hard for them to realize this
  • EpiCxOwNeD
    629 posts Member
    edited September 2019
    Just watching this video makes me disappointed



    Apparently this was his first game and runs into a guy like this. Back skating and circle in the corners untouched. It’s disheartening to this years game to already see this two days in

    https://giphy.com/gifs/backcountry-backskate-1-ftNbSKtxiauhBPlcup

    I mean, what NHL player skates backwards to net the like this and this backwards agility and speed that defies back skating logic? I’ve never seen an NHL player wiggle while back skating like that. I bet if an NHL player tried that he’d blow a tire and fall over and get cracked in the back.
  • I think they have changed it, yesterday I could substitute one of the Alumni teams into franchise mode. Now I can't seem to be able to get the option.
  • Ohh boy, I can't believe the L2 back skate cheese has returned. I am so glad I didn't cave and pre order NHL 20. Somehow I knew that something like this would happen.

    Well I guess until L2 cheese and figure skating is fixed you can say goodbye to me as a customer for good. I already argued so much on the forum about this last year and hearing this is back in the game makes me want to vomit.

    What NHL player ever starts back skating before the blue line? That is just asking to be crushed, but according to EA that is what NHLers do in every game.
  • Treatmentworke66
    977 posts Member
    edited September 2019
    Mr Lefury it seems even worse than it was in 19 at least hitting was way better ,now you LT then protect the puck and the puck carrier becomes invincible to a check
  • Lol. This game is a joke. LT is the new cheese.

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    At least I take satisfaction knowing that, in the end, we made these dudes rage quit.

    How hard is it to program in increasing the likelihood of losing the puck when you make moves like this factoring speed + move + angles. Love the all new goalies too, EA. Not to mention seeing this penalty shot bug at least three times tonight.

    How much you want people to pay for this game?
  • > @TheMajjam said:
    > Lol. This game is a joke. LT is the new cheese.
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    > How hard is it to program in increasing the likelihood of losing the puck when you make moves like this factoring speed + move + angles. Love the all new goalies too, EA. Not to mention seeing this penalty shot bug at least three times tonight.
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    In offline modes decrease puck control an this never happend.
  • nekh12345 wrote: »

    They have no concept on how the game should feel rewarding for a player without the puck. So far, playing online, the best defense isn't to try to play d, it's just to do nothing. Fall back, and let the CPU player take the puck.

    Interviewer: What gives you trust in Ron Hainsey at this point in his career?

    Babcock: He knows where to stand.

    I think you probably are not the target market for the game. The target audience is the simulation audience.

    Not sure what you are attempting to do on defense? Run arcade like centre ice checks all game?

    I was hoping you were kidding. This is not a hockey simulation.
  • It's funny, I discussed this with one guy streaming the game. He said LTing is nerfed so it's not useful anymore... then he proceeds to LT all game long? :|
  • If they're going to have this LT garbage in the game then bring back the ability to be able to AI launch
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