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There is no way these people have these teams without spending atleast $500 in cash.

It's insane just played a guy with all the 92 players, that alone is 60 gold collectables to get that, also had all the 90 heavy hitters, gretzky and lumeux, that's over 100 required gold/icon collectables that means he had over 5000 golds to trade in. Which is over 5million in pucks if earned without cash. I refuse to believe in pack luck and someone hitting that many 85+ players with a <1% chance of it on most packs. That having to earn like 75k per day every day since the game came out.....Just not possible.

The game is so heavily reliant on overalls its nearly impossible to compete with these teams, the players suck they litterally just skate in straight lines blowing past my 86 overall defenders and its incredibly difficult to take the puck from a superior player thats more than 5 overalls over. It's not user skill, it's just the dam auto recovery and it forces you to take the puck 10 times to be able to get control of it and every time auto retains to the higher overalls stick

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  • Actually it's the reverse.

    I have an 88 team and vs another 88 team it's a decent game. Get matched up against a team of 77 players the game has incredible fairness adjustment you will need beyond excellent ability to beat these teams. Their Ai will hound, the ai is always positioning the ai in the sweet spot for interceptions and clogging. Forget trying one timers on these teams your ai will not go in the proper place but rather into coverage. Point shots are not possible because they miss by 10 feet and or do a toe drag. They delay shots. Goalie leaves half the net or more open. Checking players even with a heavy hitter with little effect meanwhile the slightest clip and my players are stunned. The fairness adjustments in this game are way out to lunch and they beyond favour anyone with a lesser team by a wide margin.

    I can tell you what is happening to generate your complaint. With a team with 86 players it is considered an even match against 88-89 players. My guess you are not playing defensive setting but instead trying to run and gun and you aren't going to win like that in a speed game consistently. I'd recommend exploring some defensive settings and style. That team you are jealous of takes more skill to operate than u think. I'd bet it at least has a bit of fairness scaling down in it against your 86's.
  • You’re right, some guys lay out some serious cash on the game. Just the way it is. It IS hockey ULTIMATE team, by whatever means you choose. If you want to play guaranteed more even teams/games, you’ll have to stick to versus mode.
  • That's not what im experiencing its just overpowering overall teams,where even when I do everything right they can just power through it and it seems like there's a massive AI assist for them, the top 90+ skaters. Like they will not lose the puck even with 4 successful pokes and being triple covered, they casually glide and retain every contested puck. Like nothing skillful the user does, just special abilities higher overall guys have
  • Being so disappointed with hut I tried vs. It's a refreshing change cuz yeah the team matchups seem more fair however I found the gameplay pretty slow and stick check happy. It was also less fun cuz less customization. You can't change line set ups and therefore stick directions. Very difficult to set team strategies especially power play while you are in game. On top of that you really only use two lines and players all seem to choose the same 5-6 teams.

    I tried Draft champions online personally I was pleasantly surprised by that mode cuz against the CPU I found it dreadful. Online however is like playoffs. Quite fun....but very little rewards for playing.

    Still I found draft champions the best mode to go head to head if you want a even playoff style game with varying team designs which are completely uncheatable and fair. Best mode imo online.
  • rogers2487 wrote: »
    That's not what im experiencing its just overpowering overall teams,where even when I do everything right they can just power through it and it seems like there's a massive AI assist for them, the top 90+ skaters. Like they will not lose the puck even with 4 successful pokes and being triple covered, they casually glide and retain every contested puck. Like nothing skillful the user does, just special abilities higher overall guys have

    After the first period check the team build. My guess is whole team is built on high checking (most players 83 check or more) these are tough teams if they chose certain settings which emphasize those abilities. Been there. High balance power forwards are really tough in this regard as you described as well. Some games are gonna be brutally tough. I don't mind these games cuz at least they match the anticipated stats. I have more issue with lower overall teams behaving this way because of a fairness offset. At least that power team is not tricking and making fools of you it actually is represented as per the stats.

    That said yeah not much you can do it's gonna be a tight methodical low scoring game even if you play against it wisely.
  • rogers2487 wrote: »
    There is no way these people have these teams without spending atleast $500 in cash.

    It's insane just played a guy with all the 92 players, that alone is 60 gold collectables to get that, also had all the 90 heavy hitters, gretzky and lumeux, that's over 100 required gold/icon collectables that means he had over 5000 golds to trade in. Which is over 5million in pucks if earned without cash. I refuse to believe in pack luck and someone hitting that many 85+ players with a <1% chance of it on most packs. That having to earn like 75k per day every day since the game came out.....Just not possible.

    The game is so heavily reliant on overalls its nearly impossible to compete with these teams, the players suck they litterally just skate in straight lines blowing past my 86 overall defenders and its incredibly difficult to take the puck from a superior player thats more than 5 overalls over. It's not user skill, it's just the dam auto recovery and it forces you to take the puck 10 times to be able to get control of it and every time auto retains to the higher overalls stick

    This year the overall of player don’t really matter to be honest. Some attributes are more valuable than others depending on your game style (like speed if you’re a breakaway goal scorer, etc...)

    Anyway, when you get to the last screen before the search of an opponent, try switching from RELAXED to EXACT in the matchup style (or I don’t know what it is called). I used to do it in the later version of the game and the teams I got matched with were more in my range and the games more fair. I don’t know if it would still work, not tried it this year.
  • Relaxed means you can have more than one player play against you whereas exact means same amount of people playing against you that's all. Most cases exact is one
  • I know that but it seems to affect more than that. It might just be a coincidence too. Maybe, it pairs you only with people that select that setting too, and those people are more serious... I really don’t know what it was, but the games were more fair for me. (Lower scoring, less glitching, etc...) Anyway that’s just an idea, you don’t need to do it if you don’t want to.
  • If you really believe overalls dont matter send me all your top guys psn is Rogers2487
  • Top overalls get so many Subtile assists, they pick off passes, and can skate threw piles of guys uneffected, and always come up with contested pucks vs lower overalls. Most functions of this game are not user skill based and are simply based on overalls
  • boumbidiboum
    446 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    rogers2487 wrote: »
    If you really believe overalls dont matter send me all your top guys psn is Rogers2487

    I would be willing to give some of them to someone else, but I can’t they’re untradeable. I have some that I don’t use like Lemieux, Forsberg, etc... I don’t use them, just because I have other players that I prefer that’s the only reason why.

    Anyway, my point was just that global overall doesn’t mean much, you need to check each attribute individually and use the players where they fit and perform the best. That’s it. Higher overall players have higher attributes in gerenal than lower overall player, so they are not useless.
  • I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.
  • boumbidiboum
    446 posts Member
    edited November 2019
    IWDTCG wrote: »
    I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.

    I play with a 94 overall team right now and have no problem beside finding it a little bit too easy. (My opinion) I am planning of switching back to a lower overall team. The problem is to find players that I like that have lower overall and are fun to use. My first world problems. Haha!

    Anyway, I would love to see a video that shows what you are talking about AI acting weird. I really mean it and I am sure that if it is really the case (not saying it is not, just never seen it), EA would do something. They want to sell you those high end players that cost hundred(s) of dollars, more than they want you to buy the base cards. Anyone who suffers from weird AI behaviours should record it and post it. If you don’t they won’t change it because they have to know when and how it happens to pin point what part of the code is causing that. It doesn’t have to be you specifically, it could be anybody.
  • IWDTCG wrote: »
    I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.

    I play with a 94 overall team right now and have no problem beside finding it a little bit too easy. (My opinion) I am planning of switching back to a lower overall team. The problem is to find players that I like that have lower overall and are fun to use. My first world problems. Haha!

    Anyway, I would love to see a video that shows what you are talking about AI acting weird. I really mean it and I am sure that if it is really the case (not saying it is not, just never seen it), EA would do something. They want to sell you those high end players that cost hundred(s) of dollars, more than they want you to buy the base cards. Anyone who suffers from weird AI behaviours should record it and post it. If you don’t they won’t change it because they have to know when and how it happens to pin point what part of the code is causing that. It doesn’t have to be you specifically, it could be anybody.

    If you're looking for a reasonable line that isn't super powered, but i find fun. Might run about 400k to buy the cards, but 88 totw kane-89 dynamic duo Duchene-89 totw Boeser.

    Always a clutch line for me. Scored twice in less than 10 seconds with them, and they always seem to be where they need to be.

  • IWDTCG wrote: »
    I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.

    I play with a 94 overall team right now and have no problem beside finding it a little bit too easy. (My opinion) I am planning of switching back to a lower overall team. The problem is to find players that I like that have lower overall and are fun to use. My first world problems. Haha!

    Anyway, I would love to see a video that shows what you are talking about AI acting weird. I really mean it and I am sure that if it is really the case (not saying it is not, just never seen it), EA would do something. They want to sell you those high end players that cost hundred(s) of dollars, more than they want you to buy the base cards. Anyone who suffers from weird AI behaviours should record it and post it. If you don’t they won’t change it because they have to know when and how it happens to pin point what part of the code is causing that. It doesn’t have to be you specifically, it could be anybody.

    If you're looking for a reasonable line that isn't super powered, but i find fun. Might run about 400k to buy the cards, but 88 totw kane-89 dynamic duo Duchene-89 totw Boeser.

    Always a clutch line for me. Scored twice in less than 10 seconds with them, and they always seem to be where they need to be.

    I might try Kane, one day. I loved his card last year and love the player in real life. The two others, I don’t really like them in-game and real life, lol. I pull that Duchesne card while opening pack the other day and sold it right away.

    My line up look like that right now:

    91 Gretzky - 90 Yzerman - 90 Howe
    91 Kucherov - 90 Toews - 91 Kotkaniemi
    89 Stastny - 87 Gomes - 89 Briere
    89 Ovechkin - 91 Lemieux - 89-90 Malkin

    90 Niedermayer - 90 Chelios
    92 Burns - 92 Karlsson
    89-90 Gonchar - 91 McAvoy

    91 Blackwood - 90 Roy

    I am going to switch it up tonight after unlocking the 85 Gretzky. Put him instead of the 91 icon. Change Kuch for 85 Domi and probably change some the fourth liners for lower overall players (probably Lemieux for Simmonds) and maybe some of my defensemen.
  • ^^ just pay attention to what is happening. With your 94 team do you notice when you are rushing the net on a 2-0 or 2-1 your reciever heads away from a wise area? I mean the second man will actually pause so you don't have a 2-0 anymore, or head to the sideboards to a useless or hampered area? Do you not notice receiving passes only to have your player auto dish it off with no user input. Do you not notice when your team blocks a shot or takes a body check they are stunned for an abnormally long period of time. Do you not notice if you take a point shot it will not deflect off a defender but actually "magnetize" to the player for a free pick up and breakaway? Do you not notice your cross crease receivers are no longer hugging the post for an easy tap in or one timer but rather are crossing the net skating backwards fading away to the side boards so that if you make the pass they are 30 feet in game away from the net. Do you not notice your goalie coming out aggressively to a 2-1 situation leaving 90% of the net on the other side open for a super easy tap in. I guess if you have not played a lower team you may not pick these differences up. Lower teams do not have this behaviour they are always in the more favourable positions.

    That said if you are playing a 94 team vs a 94 team you will not see these things happen. If you are playing a 94 team vs a 85 team for example you will see an extraordinary amount of what I said. This is the fairness I've been trying to point out and complain about. Most people are not observant and analytical to notice it they are too busy glitching the same ol goals as every year and that's probably why this feature is built into the game. I highly doubt EA wants to change or fix it because it creates challenge and variety and masks the players true abilities whenever they need to so matchmaking can be quicker. They deny it because if players with high cards knew their cards were hampered like this there would be a lot of resentment. You see this in the forum all the time but this cover up continues just watch closely and you will see what i say is true. Try a lesser team for 30 games straight it's night and day you will see.

    With high teams your advantage by far is one man handling and shot strength is thru the roof. The only minor secondary advantage I've noticed using a super team are some free goals in OT. Twice now I have been given goals in OT that I did not perform nor did my opponent. The goalie auto drops the puck and a dman puts it into his net. No user input both players.
  • So how much extra cash did you pay to assemble that team?
  • rogers2487 wrote: »
    So how much extra cash did you pay to assemble that team?

    Cash doesn't guarantee players lol. Just guarantees you can get some gold players to turn into collectibles, or quick sell for coins. You MIGHT get a lucky pull, but not likely.

    Why didn't you ask him if he worked the ah? Buy low sell high. Or, if you played hut, you'd realize there's so many ways to earn free and good rewards, you technically can make a good team for free.

    But, if you play hut, maybe you just put in the minimal effort and assume anyone who has assembled a good team over 3 months must have spent cash, lol.

    Either way, a better question for you, is how little time and effort have you put into making a team, that you think everyone with a better team just spent money?
  • IWDTCG wrote: »
    I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.

    I play with a 94 overall team right now and have no problem beside finding it a little bit too easy. (My opinion) I am planning of switching back to a lower overall team. The problem is to find players that I like that have lower overall and are fun to use. My first world problems. Haha!

    Anyway, I would love to see a video that shows what you are talking about AI acting weird. I really mean it and I am sure that if it is really the case (not saying it is not, just never seen it), EA would do something. They want to sell you those high end players that cost hundred(s) of dollars, more than they want you to buy the base cards. Anyone who suffers from weird AI behaviours should record it and post it. If you don’t they won’t change it because they have to know when and how it happens to pin point what part of the code is causing that. It doesn’t have to be you specifically, it could be anybody.

    If you're looking for a reasonable line that isn't super powered, but i find fun. Might run about 400k to buy the cards, but 88 totw kane-89 dynamic duo Duchene-89 totw Boeser.

    Always a clutch line for me. Scored twice in less than 10 seconds with them, and they always seem to be where they need to be.

    I might try Kane, one day. I loved his card last year and love the player in real life. The two others, I don’t really like them in-game and real life, lol. I pull that Duchesne card while opening pack the other day and sold it right away.

    My line up look like that right now:

    91 Gretzky - 90 Yzerman - 90 Howe
    91 Kucherov - 90 Toews - 91 Kotkaniemi
    89 Stastny - 87 Gomes - 89 Briere
    89 Ovechkin - 91 Lemieux - 89-90 Malkin

    90 Niedermayer - 90 Chelios
    92 Burns - 92 Karlsson
    89-90 Gonchar - 91 McAvoy

    91 Blackwood - 90 Roy

    I am going to switch it up tonight after unlocking the 85 Gretzky. Put him instead of the 91 icon. Change Kuch for 85 Domi and probably change some the fourth liners for lower overall players (probably Lemieux for Simmonds) and maybe some of my defensemen.

    That's a solid team. Mines not too shabby, but I'm actually quite happy with it.

    (91)msp Pettersson-(92)msp backstrom-(92)msp ovi

    (88)dd malkin-(91)Gretzky(91)Lemieux

    (88)totw kane-(89)dd Duchene-(88) totw Boeser

    (91)msp kotkaniemi-(88)leader eichel - (88)totw panarin

    (91)msp seider-(90)msp muzzin

    (90)msp chelios-(90)dd gonchar

    (88) totw Hedman -(90)ys byram

    (87)ys demko-(56)ancicka

    HH, 1T, AD, CP, SP, TN, BM active syns

    Hedman is a great budget dman someone can probably grab between 60 and 80k.

    I might make a lineup with zero silver master icons, swap out 66 and 99, but as is, it's a very competitive team. Have the bronze goalie for SP.
  • IWDTCG wrote: »
    I find that no matter what you play there is some sort of compensation to make the game more fair. If you play a low team you get certain perks and lose others. If you play offensive you get certain perks and lose others. I do think it takes a lot of experimentation to match the team overall and strategy to the online player. There definitely is a huge fairness advantage to lesser teams but that doesn't mean choose a lesser team and dominate. Also it means if you aren't that skilled you could get destroyed even worse having a higher overall team because it gets many disadvantages regarding AI behaviour. I play a mid level team because I feel I'm in the middle somewhere as far as skill goes. If I use a lesser team overall I'd have a hard time with my defence not offence. When I use a high team there is too much loss of control thru randomness and ai spazzing out. For me a mid grade team is fairly consistent. So I say cards don't really matter too much as long as the caliber of the team is matched correctly to your skill, vision and timing.

    I play with a 94 overall team right now and have no problem beside finding it a little bit too easy. (My opinion) I am planning of switching back to a lower overall team. The problem is to find players that I like that have lower overall and are fun to use. My first world problems. Haha!

    Anyway, I would love to see a video that shows what you are talking about AI acting weird. I really mean it and I am sure that if it is really the case (not saying it is not, just never seen it), EA would do something. They want to sell you those high end players that cost hundred(s) of dollars, more than they want you to buy the base cards. Anyone who suffers from weird AI behaviours should record it and post it. If you don’t they won’t change it because they have to know when and how it happens to pin point what part of the code is causing that. It doesn’t have to be you specifically, it could be anybody.

    If you're looking for a reasonable line that isn't super powered, but i find fun. Might run about 400k to buy the cards, but 88 totw kane-89 dynamic duo Duchene-89 totw Boeser.

    Always a clutch line for me. Scored twice in less than 10 seconds with them, and they always seem to be where they need to be.

    I might try Kane, one day. I loved his card last year and love the player in real life. The two others, I don’t really like them in-game and real life, lol. I pull that Duchesne card while opening pack the other day and sold it right away.

    My line up look like that right now:

    91 Gretzky - 90 Yzerman - 90 Howe
    91 Kucherov - 90 Toews - 91 Kotkaniemi
    89 Stastny - 87 Gomes - 89 Briere
    89 Ovechkin - 91 Lemieux - 89-90 Malkin

    90 Niedermayer - 90 Chelios
    92 Burns - 92 Karlsson
    89-90 Gonchar - 91 McAvoy

    91 Blackwood - 90 Roy

    I am going to switch it up tonight after unlocking the 85 Gretzky. Put him instead of the 91 icon. Change Kuch for 85 Domi and probably change some the fourth liners for lower overall players (probably Lemieux for Simmonds) and maybe some of my defensemen.

    That's a solid team. Mines not too shabby, but I'm actually quite happy with it.

    (91)msp Pettersson-(92)msp backstrom-(92)msp ovi

    (88)dd malkin-(91)Gretzky(91)Lemieux

    (88)totw kane-(89)dd Duchene-(88) totw Boeser

    (91)msp kotkaniemi-(88)leader eichel - (88)totw panarin

    (91)msp seider-(90)msp muzzin

    (90)msp chelios-(90)dd gonchar

    (88) totw Hedman -(90)ys byram

    (87)ys demko-(56)ancicka

    HH, 1T, AD, CP, SP, TN, BM active syns

    Hedman is a great budget dman someone can probably grab between 60 and 80k.

    I might make a lineup with zero silver master icons, swap out 66 and 99, but as is, it's a very competitive team. Have the bronze goalie for SP.

    Your team is not bad either. I tried many other builds (like NJ all time best players, Habs best and other like full synergy and some random one), but I prefer what I have now. I’ll just tweak it a little bit to make it more challenging and it should be good.
    rogers2487 wrote: »
    So how much extra cash did you pay to assemble that team?

    I never count to be honest (probably too much), I just go with what I want and get it the cheapest way possible. I play a lot, so some of the players were from objectives completion and weekly competitions packs. And some from real money that I spent. I worked the auction house too, maybe made a half a million just doing that. Anyway, it is a mix of everything. I’ve had over a million pucks more than once yet, spend them and start again.
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