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  • VeNOM2099 wrote: »
    Oslik1000 wrote: »
    I’m just wanting to test the “improved AI” out in the trial. It’s eating at me lol.

    AI is not improved. They did change defensman logic for twice. Nothing more. It is not improve. After 5 matches this logic will ruin the game the same as before. Your setting only longer this effect from 5 matches to 10.

    You know this. I know this. Venom know this.... EA devs know this sure better than us from nhl15 was born.

    Some new kids and youtuber's childs does not matter who is defensman on hockey game! It is not important for their mind.

    EA will grow still with HUT&CHEL because it is easier programming 3 players against 3 players. Who need do improve goalie reaction for real? Nobody who want like score 45:35 after each match. It is reason for offensive play HUT&CHEL is the most important.

    I know how actual EA staff is working: 10 peoples doing hut 10 peoples chel. 1 people doing season/dynasty mode if he is not busy with hut/chel support :(

    Didn’t have high hopes, just wanted to confirm my suspicions after watching the trailer. The rush against the caps where “user error” was highlighted showed the CPU teammates literally coming to a complete stop and turning a 3-on-3 with one error into a 2-on-0 so not sure where the improvements are lol. In the NZ, the AI shuts down some really stupid decisions by the user, didn’t actually show them containing a user who is even making the correct hockey play in those scenarios. I just want literally a 10 second clip showing the 1-4 and the cpu teammate not sprinting over to the other side of the ice for no reason, and I’ll actually be convinced that the AI has been fixed lol.

    I mean, if you want a concise breakdown of the "gameplay" trailer, here you go:



    He pretty much sums up everything we know (and hate) about EA's Hocknite (see what I did there? I fused Hockey and Fortnite together? Because EA)...

    I'm here all week, btw! Try the Veal! ;)

    Jeez... I hate to ragg on this game, but... There's really nothing in there to like. The "improvements" are nice on paper. But then you see them actually NOT being improved with your own eyes.

    It is what it is.

    It's just NOT a good time to be a hockey fan. :(

    This happens every year which is why people say copy and paste because even the things they advertise they worked on are usually still crap. They get away with it cus they make small tweaks to the ai (cant do anything more on a 12 yr old engine) just enough to legally claim they "improved" it but weve all seen ea isnt above advertising things right on the case or in trailers that they fail to deliver and then brush it under the rug and threaten people who called them out. They LITERALLY false advertise right on their case and website and then ignore it and the people asking about it get ignored or silenced. We've seen it time and again and then they wonder why we dont "take their word" on anything anymore.
  • VeNOM2099 wrote: »
    Oslik1000 wrote: »
    I’m just wanting to test the “improved AI” out in the trial. It’s eating at me lol.

    AI is not improved. They did change defensman logic for twice. Nothing more. It is not improve. After 5 matches this logic will ruin the game the same as before. Your setting only longer this effect from 5 matches to 10.

    You know this. I know this. Venom know this.... EA devs know this sure better than us from nhl15 was born.

    Some new kids and youtuber's childs does not matter who is defensman on hockey game! It is not important for their mind.

    EA will grow still with HUT&CHEL because it is easier programming 3 players against 3 players. Who need do improve goalie reaction for real? Nobody who want like score 45:35 after each match. It is reason for offensive play HUT&CHEL is the most important.

    I know how actual EA staff is working: 10 peoples doing hut 10 peoples chel. 1 people doing season/dynasty mode if he is not busy with hut/chel support :(

    Didn’t have high hopes, just wanted to confirm my suspicions after watching the trailer. The rush against the caps where “user error” was highlighted showed the CPU teammates literally coming to a complete stop and turning a 3-on-3 with one error into a 2-on-0 so not sure where the improvements are lol. In the NZ, the AI shuts down some really stupid decisions by the user, didn’t actually show them containing a user who is even making the correct hockey play in those scenarios. I just want literally a 10 second clip showing the 1-4 and the cpu teammate not sprinting over to the other side of the ice for no reason, and I’ll actually be convinced that the AI has been fixed lol.

    I mean, if you want a concise breakdown of the "gameplay" trailer, here you go:



    He pretty much sums up everything we know (and hate) about EA's Hocknite (see what I did there? I fused Hockey and Fortnite together? Because EA)...

    I'm here all week, btw! Try the Veal! ;)

    Jeez... I hate to ragg on this game, but... There's really nothing in there to like. The "improvements" are nice on paper. But then you see them actually NOT being improved with your own eyes.

    It is what it is.

    It's just NOT a good time to be a hockey fan. :(

    I finally watched it, and I was even a little shocked at some of the things he didn’t call out (and he called out almost everything). What I love the most about the “better” AI in the offensive zone, is a guarantee they’re not going to fix the AI goalies appropriately reading that pass from the boards to the middle which is going to result in a bagillion short-side goals because that play is already money.

    Every bit of improved AI I’m pretty sure I could replicate in 20 in selective scenarios where the AI actually played to the strategy. It’s somewhat rare, but it does happen.

    Again, biggest asks are for 1. Sliders to actually work consistently and 2. If I set my AI up to the most aggressive possible settings, I should never ever be seeing 4-5 man retreats to the NZ. I really don’t think that’s a tall order, but I’m also not a dev so maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been wrong before many times, not afraid to admit it.
  • Pretty much since it's inception, the only way to play this game is 6V6 EASHL. Eliminate the AI, and you eliminate a lot of the issues with the game. I personally loved the beta, but yea versus has felt terrible since the game moved to this generation of consoles.
  • Pretty much since it's inception, the only way to play this game is 6V6 EASHL. Eliminate the AI, and you eliminate a lot of the issues with the game. I personally loved the beta, but yea versus has felt terrible since the game moved to this generation of consoles.

    Ironically, they destroyed 6v6 when they removed the multiple locker rooms to solve an issue with 10 kids abusing the ranking with many mini teams of 2s when there were much better fixes out there.

    All big clubs disbanded in smaller clubs and were less likely to have all 6 members online at once where in the past, youd usually have enough for 6s because of the clubsize.

    what can you do....
  • The "improvements" are nice on paper

    "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it is."
    -Wayne Gretzky-

    Unfortunately, EA took this idea for granted. The result is completely overwhelming: AI does not have to estimate where the puck will go, because the puck has only limited space where it can go after user intervention !!!! Until EA made the puck completely free and hung on the back script, it never costs anything more than "EA hockey".

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