It's not common courtesy fora G to quit. Its common courtesy for you to understand its not his fault the other goalie quit. His RP is just as important as yours
This completely... The only time i will leave as a goalie is if the other goalie leaves and i let in the same amount of goals as they did before quitting.
people blame goalies way too much. Also goalies will leave after 1 goal all the time which is super annoying. Especially in drop-in... people legit act like their life is on the line... on the lowest stakes mode.
If a goalie is legitimately playing and trying to stop everything coming their way, I don't see why they need to quit. You gotta start somewhere and drop-ins are good for newer players to help them learn how to play against human opponents. We all gotta start somewhere.
So is ok for a new goalie to let in 5-10 goals because they’re “trying” and “gotta start somewhere”?
What about forwards with 15 turnovers? Should they go too because they're not good at passing yet? Drop-ins are intended to be casual while club is meant to be more competitive. I definitely get the frustration with teammates that aren't up to your expectations, but we can't just have people learning how to play against the online community be forced to quit when they're genuinely trying to improve. Trolling is entirely different. I'd of course love to see a way to have trolls removed from the game.
If someone sucks that bad then they should be practicing in other modes until they get better. I’ve seen enough players that have absolutely no clue what they’re suppose to do or where to be on the ice. This then affects the whole team.
There should be some sort of tutorials (basic positioning etc) a player has to pass before they can enter EASHL. Sort of like Gran Turismo. They make you pass driving tests before you can enter a race.
I like so many others get that it’s “casual play” but we still want to win and not lose because of certain teammates. Also our RP shouldn’t be negatively affected if we lose a game because a teammate or two are “learning” and/or completely suck!
They really need to bring back the 12 man lobbies where we could draft our own teams and play over and over adding friends and friends of friends when other friends leave keeping full games constantly. We never had trolls and complete scrubs because that only made you look bad if you invited one.
It’s been years since and I still haven’t received any response from EA why this very popular feature was removed. Go ask people their opinion on it and the overwhelming majority will say it was awesome and they want it back!
So why was it removed?
The intent was to make reduce frustration with trolling the lobby and racing to the position you want. This has been discussed numerous times over the years so I'm not sure why you didn't receive a response.
I’m talking about the Private 12 player lobbies where we could invite our friends and draft our own teams.
You can still set up private matches with 12 players. Yes, it doesn't work the same as before, but you still can draft your own teams and play private 6v6 matches.
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
You can't? 6 guys start a lobby, one's a goalie, gets on one side, his buddies get on the other, open the lobby, it fills, then G skates out to let his buddies get easy goals.
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
You can't? 6 guys start a lobby, one's a goalie, gets on one side, his buddies get on the other, open the lobby, it fills, then G skates out to let his buddies get easy goals.
Your point?
For 5 buddies to rack up stats against their buddy G who ruins his?
The coach boots the G from the game after purposely letting in X amount of goals so they wouldn’t be able to rack up that many anyway.
Also, I seem to recall stats and achievements didn’t count in private lobbies/games the last year or two we had this feature.
Furthermore even if 6 buddies made the game public who would be STUPID enough to join a game with 5 players on one side and a G on the other?
It was a quick, easy, fun and very popular way to play with friends and friends of friends without having to play club and especially drop ins.
I seem to recall A LOT of friends playing these with several 12 player private lobbies going at once. The only logical explanation I can think of is because this decreased the amount of players playing club and drop ins.
Now that the community is so divided does this even matter?
They need to bring it back and the majority of players I know want it back!
All EA needs to do is put two simple restrictions on them.
1. Stats, achievements, RP, etc don’t count.
2. Can’t make the game public.
We should be able to make a private lobby with 12 friends and to pick a rink (outside, standard club or NHL) and uniforms (IceBreakers/Nighthawks, NHL or another league) and just play.
This makes me think a lot of you have never played team sports. If you act this way on a team no one is going to like you. When was the last time you heard a hockey player say "Our goalie sucks we are awesome but our goalie is losing it for us"
This makes me think a lot of you have never played team sports. If you act this way on a team no one is going to like you. When was the last time you heard a hockey player say "Our goalie sucks we are awesome but our goalie is losing it for us"
So are you saying you’ve never quit a drop in game because your G or any other teammate sucked so bad that they were the reason you were losing?
Nobody is going to like you if you’re the reason why the team is losing/lost.
I’ve played team sports all my life.
It appears you might be from the generation where “everyone gets a participation badge” and “game scores aren’t kept”.
This makes me think a lot of you have never played team sports. If you act this way on a team no one is going to like you. When was the last time you heard a hockey player say "Our goalie sucks we are awesome but our goalie is losing it for us"
So are you saying you’ve never quit a drop in game because your G or any other teammate sucked so bad that they were the reason you were losing?
Nobody is going to like you if you’re the reason why the team is losing/lost.
I’ve played team sports all my life.
It appears you might be from the generation where “everyone gets a participation badge” and “game scores aren’t kept”.
Honestly no I havent left a game because of the goalie. If you went to a drop in hockey game at the rink, and someone on your team wasnt very good. Would you berate them and tell them to go home?
The only time I might have left is if the goalie straight up just leaves the crease or scores on themselves on purpose.
This is just as low stakes as a pick up game... When you play pick up games, the skill level for ceiling and basement are huge. Just like this game.
People in CHEL are ridiculous. The worst is when there are duo that play together and are on mic. They will always criticize everyone else yet constantly give the puck up and screw up themselves... You think they own up to it? no. When it's their mistake its silence or "stupid controller is all messed up" never give someone else the benefit of doubt.
I was recently on one of these teams and our goalie let 2 cross crease goals in and they started whining "ohhh our goalies trash, garbage goalie." If you haven't figured out yet... Cross creases end up in goals a lot.
How many games have you played where its 3-0 the goalie that let in 3 goals leaves... then the team comes back and wins because they now have an AI goalie
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
You can't? 6 guys start a lobby, one's a goalie, gets on one side, his buddies get on the other, open the lobby, it fills, then G skates out to let his buddies get easy goals.
Your point?
For 5 buddies to rack up stats against their buddy G who ruins his?
The coach boots the G from the game after purposely letting in X amount of goals so they wouldn’t be able to rack up that many anyway.
Also, I seem to recall stats and achievements didn’t count in private lobbies/games the last year or two we had this feature.
Furthermore even if 6 buddies made the game public who would be STUPID enough to join a game with 5 players on one side and a G on the other?
It was a quick, easy, fun and very popular way to play with friends and friends of friends without having to play club and especially drop ins.
I seem to recall A LOT of friends playing these with several 12 player private lobbies going at once. The only logical explanation I can think of is because this decreased the amount of players playing club and drop ins.
Now that the community is so divided does this even matter?
They need to bring it back and the majority of players I know want it back!
All EA needs to do is put two simple restrictions on them.
1. Stats, achievements, RP, etc don’t count.
2. Can’t make the game public.
We should be able to make a private lobby with 12 friends and to pick a rink (outside, standard club or NHL) and uniforms (IceBreakers/Nighthawks, NHL or another league) and just play.
My point was abundantly clear. You said *you* can't think of a reason, that was just one off the top of my head.
As someone who plays a LOT of drop in...the bulk of you goalies suck. I hate to be so blunt, but it's true. For some reason, it appears to be the one position where people think drop in is the perfect place to try goalie controls for the very first time. Way too many of you don't know basic goalie positioning, or even the basic controls...unable to hug the post, sliding 5 feet out of the net trying to move, desperation saved attempts on every shot. Don't get me started on the idiots that chase the puck into the corners and take penalties, or shoving the puck out after a save to an open attacker that shoves it right back in the net, or the jerks that think goalie fights are cool in the first 30 seconds of a game.
Human goalies have a rep, and they've earned it. Sorry to the good ones out there, and there are quite a few, but unfortunately the bulk of human goalies in drop in just plain suck. That makes it harder on everyone else. I don't want to play with a goalie that dives out of the net to let goals in, or tries to fight every chance and put blue in the box. I also don't want to play with someone who sucks so bad they let in 4 in the first period. Why should I, or any skater, hang around for that?
Drop in games should either have two goalies, or no goalies...if one goalie is in the lobby when the game starts, they get kicked. We also need auto-kick in the game to drop goalies who are simply giving up goal after goal. Other than beer league, what team is going to keep in a goalie who's let in 5 goals in the first 20 minutes?
The "league" also needs some kind of punishment for quitting games...and this isn't just a goalie issue, but let's be honest, goalies quit more often and quicker than most positions. When was the last time you had a drop in game finish with both goalies? How many times has a goalie quit after 1 goal? Followed by the other goalie if it gets tied up?
Like others have said it has been an issue for years human goalies wrecking potentially good games my suggestion has been to have a vote system so you can vote players that wreck games out of the game it would not be hard to do...yes some bad apples would manipulate this vote system but I think its worth a try...and get rid of the outdoor stuff..lets get back into NHL rinks and uniforms!
No one needs to ruin up to 11 other people's fun because they want to learn to play the position.
There is an offline mode where they can practice all they want.
The controls don't change because you are playing against humans.
So if you get good against the AI you will be good against humans and be able to get better playing against them.
Bottom line, human goalies should not be in drop-ins OR don't track stats for drop-ins. It's the single only position that can ruin the game, and guess what, that's what people use it for. I can provide tons of footage.
The behaviors are quite easy to see...
Starting fights (Why is this feature even needed?)
Rolling around on the ground/Diving out of the net
Leaning the opposite way of every shot taken.
Sitting in butterfly 100%
No one needs to ruin up to 11 other people's fun because they want to learn to play the position.
There is an offline mode where they can practice all they want.
The controls don't change because you are playing against humans.
So if you get good against the AI you will be good against humans and be able to get better playing against them.
Bottom line, human goalies should not be in drop-ins OR don't track stats for drop-ins. It's the single only position that can ruin the game, and guess what, that's what people use it for. I can provide tons of footage.
The behaviors are quite easy to see...
Starting fights (Why is this feature even needed?)
Rolling around on the ground/Diving out of the net
Leaning the opposite way of every shot taken.
Sitting in butterfly 100%
If the skaters were all decent then i could agree with you.... Drop-in is a complete s-show. rarely do people play their positions, everyone puck hogs, 50 failed dekes a game. You can blame a goalie but how many penalties are there in your average drop in game? how many times do people hang out at the opponents blue line waiting for a stretch pass. how many times are people left wide open in the slot....
Playing against AI and playing against human is way different. Have you even tried playing goalie? People know what human goalies are bad at, the reason save % is so low, is that no one shoots unless they have a really good shot.
I play goalie maybe 1 every 5 games.
I think there is an argument for having a 5v5 mode and a 6v6 mode.
The thing that makes me laugh is that no one complains when the other team has a bad goalie. I imagine most people dont think the other teams goalie screws up... you're just that good.
No one needs to ruin up to 11 other people's fun because they want to learn to play the position.
There is an offline mode where they can practice all they want.
The controls don't change because you are playing against humans.
So if you get good against the AI you will be good against humans and be able to get better playing against them.
Bottom line, human goalies should not be in drop-ins OR don't track stats for drop-ins. It's the single only position that can ruin the game, and guess what, that's what people use it for. I can provide tons of footage.
The behaviors are quite easy to see...
Starting fights (Why is this feature even needed?)
Rolling around on the ground/Diving out of the net
Leaning the opposite way of every shot taken.
Sitting in butterfly 100%
If the skaters were all decent then i could agree with you.... Drop-in is a complete s-show. rarely do people play their positions, everyone puck hogs, 50 failed dekes a game. You can blame a goalie but how many penalties are there in your average drop in game? how many times do people hang out at the opponents blue line waiting for a stretch pass. how many times are people left wide open in the slot....
Playing against AI and playing against human is way different. Have you even tried playing goalie? People know what human goalies are bad at, the reason save % is so low, is that no one shoots unless they have a really good shot.
I play goalie maybe 1 every 5 games.
I think there is an argument for having a 5v5 mode and a 6v6 mode.
The thing that makes me laugh is that no one complains when the other team has a bad goalie. I imagine most people dont think the other teams goalie screws up... you're just that good.
No position can cause as much of a problem as a goalie though. Skaters can screw things up yes, but no where near as badly as the G. Skaters can get auto-kicked if the team score drops too low, but goalies never do. A human goalie can give up 10 goals in a single period, and the game will do nothing.
I can tell in the first 60 seconds of a game whether or not we have a chance with our goalie. At least with bad skaters I can adjust and pick up their slack. I can't do much with a bad goalie because if they butterfly or go for a desperation save against a weak blue line shot it's a goal every time.
I get that you don't like seeing goalies attacked here, but there isn't a more important position on the ice. I agree, 5v5 should be for drop in without goalies.
If the skaters were all decent then i could agree with you.... Drop-in is a complete s-show. rarely do people play their positions, everyone puck hogs, 50 failed dekes a game. You can blame a goalie but how many penalties are there in your average drop in game? how many times do people hang out at the opponents blue line waiting for a stretch pass. how many times are people left wide open in the slot....
Playing against AI and playing against human is way different. Have you even tried playing goalie? People know what human goalies are bad at, the reason save % is so low, is that no one shoots unless they have a really good shot.
I play goalie maybe 1 every 5 games.
I think there is an argument for having a 5v5 mode and a 6v6 mode.
The thing that makes me laugh is that no one complains when the other team has a bad goalie. I imagine most people dont think the other teams goalie screws up... you're just that good.
All this. While a bad goalie can be a miserable and frustrating experience, I have had WAY more games ruined by other toxic player behaviour than by bad goalies.
I think they just need to remove RP for drop in games and that would help a lot of the angst around this.
No position can cause as much of a problem as a goalie though. Skaters can screw things up yes, but no where near as badly as the G. Skaters can get auto-kicked if the team score drops too low, but goalies never do. A human goalie can give up 10 goals in a single period, and the game will do nothing.
I can tell in the first 60 seconds of a game whether or not we have a chance with our goalie. At least with bad skaters I can adjust and pick up their slack. I can't do much with a bad goalie because if they butterfly or go for a desperation save against a weak blue line shot it's a goal every time.
I get that you don't like seeing goalies attacked here, but there isn't a more important position on the ice. I agree, 5v5 should be for drop in without goalies.
Actually these are also a good points. Can I agree with both of you? LOL
If a goalie is legitimately playing and trying to stop everything coming their way, I don't see why they need to quit. You gotta start somewhere and drop-ins are good for newer players to help them learn how to play against human opponents. We all gotta start somewhere.
So is ok for a new goalie to let in 5-10 goals because they’re “trying” and “gotta start somewhere”?
What about forwards with 15 turnovers? Should they go too because they're not good at passing yet? Drop-ins are intended to be casual while club is meant to be more competitive. I definitely get the frustration with teammates that aren't up to your expectations, but we can't just have people learning how to play against the online community be forced to quit when they're genuinely trying to improve. Trolling is entirely different. I'd of course love to see a way to have trolls removed from the game.
If someone sucks that bad then they should be practicing in other modes until they get better. I’ve seen enough players that have absolutely no clue what they’re suppose to do or where to be on the ice. This then affects the whole team.
There should be some sort of tutorials (basic positioning etc) a player has to pass before they can enter EASHL. Sort of like Gran Turismo. They make you pass driving tests before you can enter a race.
I like so many others get that it’s “casual play” but we still want to win and not lose because of certain teammates. Also our RP shouldn’t be negatively affected if we lose a game because a teammate or two are “learning” and/or completely suck!
They really need to bring back the 12 man lobbies where we could draft our own teams and play over and over adding friends and friends of friends when other friends leave keeping full games constantly. We never had trolls and complete scrubs because that only made you look bad if you invited one.
It’s been years since and I still haven’t received any response from EA why this very popular feature was removed. Go ask people their opinion on it and the overwhelming majority will say it was awesome and they want it back!
So why was it removed?
The intent was to make reduce frustration with trolling the lobby and racing to the position you want. This has been discussed numerous times over the years so I'm not sure why you didn't receive a response.
I’m talking about the Private 12 player lobbies where we could invite our friends and draft our own teams.
You can still set up private matches with 12 players. Yes, it doesn't work the same as before, but you still can draft your own teams and play private 6v6 matches.
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
I explained previously why this changed. To add on to that, the new version also supports editing your loadout and player as well as changing positions.
I know it's different than before, but you get the same result. I understand entering the password can be an additional source of frustration, but it also takes about as long to set up the game as it did previously. You can pretty quickly enter the password while waiting for everyone to accept the invite to the game.
If a goalie is legitimately playing and trying to stop everything coming their way, I don't see why they need to quit. You gotta start somewhere and drop-ins are good for newer players to help them learn how to play against human opponents. We all gotta start somewhere.
So is ok for a new goalie to let in 5-10 goals because they’re “trying” and “gotta start somewhere”?
What about forwards with 15 turnovers? Should they go too because they're not good at passing yet? Drop-ins are intended to be casual while club is meant to be more competitive. I definitely get the frustration with teammates that aren't up to your expectations, but we can't just have people learning how to play against the online community be forced to quit when they're genuinely trying to improve. Trolling is entirely different. I'd of course love to see a way to have trolls removed from the game.
If someone sucks that bad then they should be practicing in other modes until they get better. I’ve seen enough players that have absolutely no clue what they’re suppose to do or where to be on the ice. This then affects the whole team.
There should be some sort of tutorials (basic positioning etc) a player has to pass before they can enter EASHL. Sort of like Gran Turismo. They make you pass driving tests before you can enter a race.
I like so many others get that it’s “casual play” but we still want to win and not lose because of certain teammates. Also our RP shouldn’t be negatively affected if we lose a game because a teammate or two are “learning” and/or completely suck!
They really need to bring back the 12 man lobbies where we could draft our own teams and play over and over adding friends and friends of friends when other friends leave keeping full games constantly. We never had trolls and complete scrubs because that only made you look bad if you invited one.
It’s been years since and I still haven’t received any response from EA why this very popular feature was removed. Go ask people their opinion on it and the overwhelming majority will say it was awesome and they want it back!
So why was it removed?
The intent was to make reduce frustration with trolling the lobby and racing to the position you want. This has been discussed numerous times over the years so I'm not sure why you didn't receive a response.
I’m talking about the Private 12 player lobbies where we could invite our friends and draft our own teams.
You can still set up private matches with 12 players. Yes, it doesn't work the same as before, but you still can draft your own teams and play private 6v6 matches.
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
I explained previously why this changed. To add on to that, the new version also supports editing your loadout and player as well as changing positions.
I know it's different than before, but you get the same result. I understand entering the password can be an additional source of frustration, but it also takes about as long to set up the game as it did previously. You can pretty quickly enter the password while waiting for everyone to accept the invite to the game.
You explained why the drop in lobbies were changed NOT our own private 12 man drafts. None of your explanations are real reasons for this method of how we enjoyed playing.
The old way was so simple and there wasn’t a need to remove/change it. The new way using just party chat isn’t as quick, simple and definitely not as fun.
The old way.
One person invites friends to a lobby/room. Friends or friends then send out invites till the room fills with 12 players.
Everyone sits in the middle.
2 players volunteer to play G.
The goalies then pick their teams and one by one the other players pick their position (no need to race because we always had a first picked first choice for position) and go to the appropriate side. Changes then can be made to accommodate certain players/positions.
Then we play.
No passwords/pins needed.
No “who’s clubs are we using”.
No confusion as it’s all visual. Everyone can instantly see who is on what team etc.
We could still easily edit our players and change positions and even swap players.
No need for one party chat and then have to decide which team is staying on party chat and which team is going to use game chat. The old system automatically used game chat for both sides.
Then once the game ends everyone is automatically put back in the same lobby/room to repeat the process. If someone doesn’t join the next game then any of the remaining players could invite someone else.
It was just a simple and fun way to play.
It was like how we picked teams as kids in real life. Real simple!
EA just made the current way complicated
and that’s why the majority of us don’t set up games this way anymore.
So what’s the reason again because with the old way we were still able to do all the things you said your “explanations” were the cause for changing it.
If a goalie is legitimately playing and trying to stop everything coming their way, I don't see why they need to quit. You gotta start somewhere and drop-ins are good for newer players to help them learn how to play against human opponents. We all gotta start somewhere.
So is ok for a new goalie to let in 5-10 goals because they’re “trying” and “gotta start somewhere”?
What about forwards with 15 turnovers? Should they go too because they're not good at passing yet? Drop-ins are intended to be casual while club is meant to be more competitive. I definitely get the frustration with teammates that aren't up to your expectations, but we can't just have people learning how to play against the online community be forced to quit when they're genuinely trying to improve. Trolling is entirely different. I'd of course love to see a way to have trolls removed from the game.
If someone sucks that bad then they should be practicing in other modes until they get better. I’ve seen enough players that have absolutely no clue what they’re suppose to do or where to be on the ice. This then affects the whole team.
There should be some sort of tutorials (basic positioning etc) a player has to pass before they can enter EASHL. Sort of like Gran Turismo. They make you pass driving tests before you can enter a race.
I like so many others get that it’s “casual play” but we still want to win and not lose because of certain teammates. Also our RP shouldn’t be negatively affected if we lose a game because a teammate or two are “learning” and/or completely suck!
They really need to bring back the 12 man lobbies where we could draft our own teams and play over and over adding friends and friends of friends when other friends leave keeping full games constantly. We never had trolls and complete scrubs because that only made you look bad if you invited one.
It’s been years since and I still haven’t received any response from EA why this very popular feature was removed. Go ask people their opinion on it and the overwhelming majority will say it was awesome and they want it back!
So why was it removed?
The intent was to make reduce frustration with trolling the lobby and racing to the position you want. This has been discussed numerous times over the years so I'm not sure why you didn't receive a response.
I’m talking about the Private 12 player lobbies where we could invite our friends and draft our own teams.
You can still set up private matches with 12 players. Yes, it doesn't work the same as before, but you still can draft your own teams and play private 6v6 matches.
It’s not the same as before and definitely not as easy to do as before. It’s actually a bit of a pain in the **** doing it now the way it is and that is why players don’t do it as often now. Once again EA taking away/changing a perfectly good game feature that there was nothing wrong with and that the majority enjoyed.
Why was it removed/changed anyway? I honestly can’t think of one good reason.
I explained previously why this changed. To add on to that, the new version also supports editing your loadout and player as well as changing positions.
I know it's different than before, but you get the same result. I understand entering the password can be an additional source of frustration, but it also takes about as long to set up the game as it did previously. You can pretty quickly enter the password while waiting for everyone to accept the invite to the game.
You explained why the drop in lobbies were changed NOT our own private 12 man drafts. None of your explanations are real reasons for this method of how we enjoyed playing.
The old way was so simple and there wasn’t a need to remove/change it. The new way using just party chat isn’t as quick, simple and definitely not as fun.
The old way.
One person invites friends to a lobby/room. Friends or friends then send out invites till the room fills with 12 players.
Everyone sits in the middle.
2 players volunteer to play G.
The goalies then pick their teams and one by one the other players pick their position (no need to race because we always had a first picked first choice for position) and go to the appropriate side. Changes then can be made to accommodate certain players/positions.
Then we play.
No passwords/pins needed.
No “who’s clubs are we using”.
No confusion as it’s all visual. Everyone can instantly see who is on what team etc.
We could still easily edit our players and change positions and even swap players.
No need for one party chat and then have to decide which team is staying on party chat and which team is going to use game chat. The old system automatically used game chat for both sides.
Then once the game ends everyone is automatically put back in the same lobby/room to repeat the process. If someone doesn’t join the next game then any of the remaining players could invite someone else.
It was just a simple and fun way to play.
It was like how we picked teams as kids in real life. Real simple!
EA just made the current way complicated
and that’s why the majority of us don’t set up games this way anymore.
So what’s the reason again because with the old way we were still able to do all the things you said your “explanations” were the cause for changing it.
I don't have an explanation on why this was changed. I know we had a lot of complaints about the old system. The current version of lobbies and private games is designed to work with the build system we have. I get that it's more complicated for you, but when I play private games, it really doesn't take long to get one going. Everyone gets in a party and invites go out. There's usually more time spent waiting for people to get ready than to actually get the game started. Regardless, we're aware of the feedback here about the lobby system. It's not changing for 21, but it's possible this could change in future games.
As a guy who plays 80% of the time as a goalie, I can understand your frustration. I have had games where I've been lit up, and other games where I've stole the game for my team. I play exclusively in 6 on 6 drop ins (have an odd schedule which makes syncing up for team games a nightmare).
But, like others have said, as frustrating as it can be to have an 8 spot put up against your team, imagine how frustrating it is for the goalie on a team that constantly gives up breakaways and wide open 1 timers. My biggest issue is with D-Men who are too worried about getting breakaway goals. It is a team game and very seldom is it entirely hung on just the goalie.
As a guy who plays 80% of the time as a goalie, I can understand your frustration. I have had games where I've been lit up, and other games where I've stole the game for my team. I play exclusively in 6 on 6 drop ins (have an odd schedule which makes syncing up for team games a nightmare).
But, like others have said, as frustrating as it can be to have an 8 spot put up against your team, imagine how frustrating it is for the goalie on a team that constantly gives up breakaways and wide open 1 timers. My biggest issue is with D-Men who are too worried about getting breakaway goals. It is a team game and very seldom is it entirely hung on just the goalie.
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This completely... The only time i will leave as a goalie is if the other goalie leaves and i let in the same amount of goals as they did before quitting.
people blame goalies way too much. Also goalies will leave after 1 goal all the time which is super annoying. Especially in drop-in... people legit act like their life is on the line... on the lowest stakes mode.
You can't? 6 guys start a lobby, one's a goalie, gets on one side, his buddies get on the other, open the lobby, it fills, then G skates out to let his buddies get easy goals.
Your point?
For 5 buddies to rack up stats against their buddy G who ruins his?
The coach boots the G from the game after purposely letting in X amount of goals so they wouldn’t be able to rack up that many anyway.
Also, I seem to recall stats and achievements didn’t count in private lobbies/games the last year or two we had this feature.
Furthermore even if 6 buddies made the game public who would be STUPID enough to join a game with 5 players on one side and a G on the other?
It was a quick, easy, fun and very popular way to play with friends and friends of friends without having to play club and especially drop ins.
I seem to recall A LOT of friends playing these with several 12 player private lobbies going at once. The only logical explanation I can think of is because this decreased the amount of players playing club and drop ins.
Now that the community is so divided does this even matter?
They need to bring it back and the majority of players I know want it back!
All EA needs to do is put two simple restrictions on them.
1. Stats, achievements, RP, etc don’t count.
2. Can’t make the game public.
We should be able to make a private lobby with 12 friends and to pick a rink (outside, standard club or NHL) and uniforms (IceBreakers/Nighthawks, NHL or another league) and just play.
So are you saying you’ve never quit a drop in game because your G or any other teammate sucked so bad that they were the reason you were losing?
Nobody is going to like you if you’re the reason why the team is losing/lost.
I’ve played team sports all my life.
It appears you might be from the generation where “everyone gets a participation badge” and “game scores aren’t kept”.
Honestly no I havent left a game because of the goalie. If you went to a drop in hockey game at the rink, and someone on your team wasnt very good. Would you berate them and tell them to go home?
The only time I might have left is if the goalie straight up just leaves the crease or scores on themselves on purpose.
This is just as low stakes as a pick up game... When you play pick up games, the skill level for ceiling and basement are huge. Just like this game.
People in CHEL are ridiculous. The worst is when there are duo that play together and are on mic. They will always criticize everyone else yet constantly give the puck up and screw up themselves... You think they own up to it? no. When it's their mistake its silence or "stupid controller is all messed up" never give someone else the benefit of doubt.
I was recently on one of these teams and our goalie let 2 cross crease goals in and they started whining "ohhh our goalies trash, garbage goalie." If you haven't figured out yet... Cross creases end up in goals a lot.
How many games have you played where its 3-0 the goalie that let in 3 goals leaves... then the team comes back and wins because they now have an AI goalie
My point was abundantly clear. You said *you* can't think of a reason, that was just one off the top of my head.
Human goalies have a rep, and they've earned it. Sorry to the good ones out there, and there are quite a few, but unfortunately the bulk of human goalies in drop in just plain suck. That makes it harder on everyone else. I don't want to play with a goalie that dives out of the net to let goals in, or tries to fight every chance and put blue in the box. I also don't want to play with someone who sucks so bad they let in 4 in the first period. Why should I, or any skater, hang around for that?
Drop in games should either have two goalies, or no goalies...if one goalie is in the lobby when the game starts, they get kicked. We also need auto-kick in the game to drop goalies who are simply giving up goal after goal. Other than beer league, what team is going to keep in a goalie who's let in 5 goals in the first 20 minutes?
The "league" also needs some kind of punishment for quitting games...and this isn't just a goalie issue, but let's be honest, goalies quit more often and quicker than most positions. When was the last time you had a drop in game finish with both goalies? How many times has a goalie quit after 1 goal? Followed by the other goalie if it gets tied up?
Started with 12 human players.
We go up 2-0 in the first ten mins.
Their human goalie and LD quit.
Few mins left in the second period and they score on their 15th shot to make it 2-1.
I then quit to give my team an AI goalie too.
I believe that was the right and fair thing to do.
There is an offline mode where they can practice all they want.
The controls don't change because you are playing against humans.
So if you get good against the AI you will be good against humans and be able to get better playing against them.
Bottom line, human goalies should not be in drop-ins OR don't track stats for drop-ins. It's the single only position that can ruin the game, and guess what, that's what people use it for. I can provide tons of footage.
The behaviors are quite easy to see...
Starting fights (Why is this feature even needed?)
Rolling around on the ground/Diving out of the net
Leaning the opposite way of every shot taken.
Sitting in butterfly 100%
If the skaters were all decent then i could agree with you.... Drop-in is a complete s-show. rarely do people play their positions, everyone puck hogs, 50 failed dekes a game. You can blame a goalie but how many penalties are there in your average drop in game? how many times do people hang out at the opponents blue line waiting for a stretch pass. how many times are people left wide open in the slot....
Playing against AI and playing against human is way different. Have you even tried playing goalie? People know what human goalies are bad at, the reason save % is so low, is that no one shoots unless they have a really good shot.
I play goalie maybe 1 every 5 games.
I think there is an argument for having a 5v5 mode and a 6v6 mode.
The thing that makes me laugh is that no one complains when the other team has a bad goalie. I imagine most people dont think the other teams goalie screws up... you're just that good.
No position can cause as much of a problem as a goalie though. Skaters can screw things up yes, but no where near as badly as the G. Skaters can get auto-kicked if the team score drops too low, but goalies never do. A human goalie can give up 10 goals in a single period, and the game will do nothing.
I can tell in the first 60 seconds of a game whether or not we have a chance with our goalie. At least with bad skaters I can adjust and pick up their slack. I can't do much with a bad goalie because if they butterfly or go for a desperation save against a weak blue line shot it's a goal every time.
I get that you don't like seeing goalies attacked here, but there isn't a more important position on the ice. I agree, 5v5 should be for drop in without goalies.
All this. While a bad goalie can be a miserable and frustrating experience, I have had WAY more games ruined by other toxic player behaviour than by bad goalies.
I think they just need to remove RP for drop in games and that would help a lot of the angst around this.
Actually these are also a good points. Can I agree with both of you? LOL
I explained previously why this changed. To add on to that, the new version also supports editing your loadout and player as well as changing positions.
I know it's different than before, but you get the same result. I understand entering the password can be an additional source of frustration, but it also takes about as long to set up the game as it did previously. You can pretty quickly enter the password while waiting for everyone to accept the invite to the game.
You explained why the drop in lobbies were changed NOT our own private 12 man drafts. None of your explanations are real reasons for this method of how we enjoyed playing.
The old way was so simple and there wasn’t a need to remove/change it. The new way using just party chat isn’t as quick, simple and definitely not as fun.
The old way.
One person invites friends to a lobby/room. Friends or friends then send out invites till the room fills with 12 players.
Everyone sits in the middle.
2 players volunteer to play G.
The goalies then pick their teams and one by one the other players pick their position (no need to race because we always had a first picked first choice for position) and go to the appropriate side. Changes then can be made to accommodate certain players/positions.
Then we play.
No passwords/pins needed.
No “who’s clubs are we using”.
No confusion as it’s all visual. Everyone can instantly see who is on what team etc.
We could still easily edit our players and change positions and even swap players.
No need for one party chat and then have to decide which team is staying on party chat and which team is going to use game chat. The old system automatically used game chat for both sides.
Then once the game ends everyone is automatically put back in the same lobby/room to repeat the process. If someone doesn’t join the next game then any of the remaining players could invite someone else.
It was just a simple and fun way to play.
It was like how we picked teams as kids in real life. Real simple!
EA just made the current way complicated
and that’s why the majority of us don’t set up games this way anymore.
So what’s the reason again because with the old way we were still able to do all the things you said your “explanations” were the cause for changing it.
I don't have an explanation on why this was changed. I know we had a lot of complaints about the old system. The current version of lobbies and private games is designed to work with the build system we have. I get that it's more complicated for you, but when I play private games, it really doesn't take long to get one going. Everyone gets in a party and invites go out. There's usually more time spent waiting for people to get ready than to actually get the game started. Regardless, we're aware of the feedback here about the lobby system. It's not changing for 21, but it's possible this could change in future games.
But, like others have said, as frustrating as it can be to have an 8 spot put up against your team, imagine how frustrating it is for the goalie on a team that constantly gives up breakaways and wide open 1 timers. My biggest issue is with D-Men who are too worried about getting breakaway goals. It is a team game and very seldom is it entirely hung on just the goalie.
You on Xbox or PS?