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  • jrago73
    696 posts Member
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".
  • jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...
  • Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...

    Or balance the defense to not be at a disadvantage.

    Also we have to keep in mind that some of us are talking completely different games. You play 1v1 and I play 6v6 (until the 1st goal) so we are at times comparing apples and oranges.
  • Sega82mega
    3808 posts Member
    edited March 18
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...

    Or balance the defense to not be at a disadvantage.

    Also we have to keep in mind that some of us are talking completely different games. You play 1v1 and I play 6v6 (until the 1st goal) so we are at times comparing apples and oranges.

    Or teach people to play defense by punish this typical 'HUT way to play-players' were everyone just try to stress the puck carrier with whoever they manage to pick control over by switching players every second. At least you 6vs6 guys dosent have to worry about that.

    But imagine a game like this.

    LW C RW

    LD RD

    And that whole squad play like their 'speedy forwards' and rush without a brain-cell against the puck. *even the elite play this way.... *

    'whers the puck!?!... Aaaaah there!... Goo get it!... Ooor.. Should I as a LD really open up myself by running for a hit on the opposite side of the rink at my own blue line... Aaah what the heck.. I go!... I can always switch player if I miss..... " 🙄

    This teams in 1vs1 needs to know you cant play that aggressive all the time.. There's times in hockey were players almost' rest' on the ice.. Just to keep gap-control/good positioning to where the puck are.

    And this is - mainly - a user error, but im notice it's getting harder and harder for this players that had there same way of playing sence NHL 15...

    I swear to you it's the same players that complain about the cross crease.

    I love cross creases, cause it's there because defense is more importen then ever, but I dont like that people only seem to think thats the only way to play and win in this game. It really looks pathetic from times to times.

    Let go of the puck and take some other shots. You might even score....

    *nothing is against you 6vs6 player jrago73
    Post edited by Sega82mega on
  • jrago73
    696 posts Member
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...

    Or balance the defense to not be at a disadvantage.

    Also we have to keep in mind that some of us are talking completely different games. You play 1v1 and I play 6v6 (until the 1st goal) so we are at times comparing apples and oranges.

    Or teach people to play defense by punish this typical 'HUT way to play-players' were everyone just try to stress the puck carrier with whoever they manage to pick control over by switching players every second. At least you 6vs6 guys dosent have to worry about that.

    But imagine a game like this.

    LW C RW

    LD RD

    And that whole squad play like their 'speedy forwards' and rush without a brain-cell against the puck. *even the elite play this way.... *

    'whers the puck!?!... Aaaaah there!... Goo get it!... Ooor.. Should I as a LD really open up myself by running for a hit on the opposite side of the rink at my own blue line... Aaah what the heck.. I go!... I can always switch player if I miss..... " 🙄

    This teams in 1vs1 needs to know you cant play that aggressive all the time.. There's times in hockey were players almost' rest' on the ice.. Just to keep gap-control/good positioning to where the puck are.

    And this is - mainly - a user error, but im notice it's getting harder and harder for this players that had there same way of playing sence NHL 15...

    I swear to you it's the same players that complain about the cross crease.

    I love cross creases, cause it's there because defense is more importen then ever, but I dont like that people only seem to think thats the only way to play and win in this game. It really looks pathetic from times to times.

    Let go of the puck and take some other shots. You might even score....

    *nothing is against you 6vs6 player jrago73

    We're all good, I never take or mean to give offense here.

    Examples from my world.

    Penalty shots, especially in 3's. Most experienced guys know you go towards the side and cut back and shoot near side when the goalie moves and it goes in 98% of the time. Do the puck flip and you're looking at about 50% depending on the player. You go do some free style deking and shooting and you're looking at about 10-20%. Guess what everybody does on their penalty shots? They go with the moves that EA let be overpowered this year.

    Now to 6's. In the off zone passes from fwd back to d will often float right pass the dman and out of the zone even though the puck was clearly in range to be received. Also scoring from the point is nearly non-existant this year (your player is rated mid-high 70's). So forwards are taught don't pass to the point.

    So the game teaches you that option is gone so now you force passes for cross crease and they will often get through the defender(s) who was in position to make the stop. Now the game teaches you to cross crease.

    You know what makes the cross crease even easier? When there is only 1-3 guys back on d instead of 5, so now let's just hustle sprint every time we get the puck so we only have to force the pass through one guy to score.

    Bad passes forcing a cross crease on the rush are rewarded at a much higher rate than setting up in the zone and passing and playing for space and position, so that is what they do.

    As for balance in 6's, go hit a drop in lobby and see how many tries it takes to fill the defender slots and/or goalie slots, yet the forwards always fill up instantly. Not a good sign of balance.
  • EA_Aljo
    3056 posts EA Community Manager
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...

    Or balance the defense to not be at a disadvantage.

    Also we have to keep in mind that some of us are talking completely different games. You play 1v1 and I play 6v6 (until the 1st goal) so we are at times comparing apples and oranges.

    Or teach people to play defense by punish this typical 'HUT way to play-players' were everyone just try to stress the puck carrier with whoever they manage to pick control over by switching players every second. At least you 6vs6 guys dosent have to worry about that.

    But imagine a game like this.

    LW C RW

    LD RD

    And that whole squad play like their 'speedy forwards' and rush without a brain-cell against the puck. *even the elite play this way.... *

    'whers the puck!?!... Aaaaah there!... Goo get it!... Ooor.. Should I as a LD really open up myself by running for a hit on the opposite side of the rink at my own blue line... Aaah what the heck.. I go!... I can always switch player if I miss..... " 🙄

    This teams in 1vs1 needs to know you cant play that aggressive all the time.. There's times in hockey were players almost' rest' on the ice.. Just to keep gap-control/good positioning to where the puck are.

    And this is - mainly - a user error, but im notice it's getting harder and harder for this players that had there same way of playing sence NHL 15...

    I swear to you it's the same players that complain about the cross crease.

    I love cross creases, cause it's there because defense is more importen then ever, but I dont like that people only seem to think thats the only way to play and win in this game. It really looks pathetic from times to times.

    Let go of the puck and take some other shots. You might even score....

    *nothing is against you 6vs6 player jrago73

    We're all good, I never take or mean to give offense here.

    Examples from my world.

    Penalty shots, especially in 3's. Most experienced guys know you go towards the side and cut back and shoot near side when the goalie moves and it goes in 98% of the time. Do the puck flip and you're looking at about 50% depending on the player. You go do some free style deking and shooting and you're looking at about 10-20%. Guess what everybody does on their penalty shots? They go with the moves that EA let be overpowered this year.

    Now to 6's. In the off zone passes from fwd back to d will often float right pass the dman and out of the zone even though the puck was clearly in range to be received. Also scoring from the point is nearly non-existant this year (your player is rated mid-high 70's). So forwards are taught don't pass to the point.

    So the game teaches you that option is gone so now you force passes for cross crease and they will often get through the defender(s) who was in position to make the stop. Now the game teaches you to cross crease.

    You know what makes the cross crease even easier? When there is only 1-3 guys back on d instead of 5, so now let's just hustle sprint every time we get the puck so we only have to force the pass through one guy to score.

    Bad passes forcing a cross crease on the rush are rewarded at a much higher rate than setting up in the zone and passing and playing for space and position, so that is what they do.

    As for balance in 6's, go hit a drop in lobby and see how many tries it takes to fill the defender slots and/or goalie slots, yet the forwards always fill up instantly. Not a good sign of balance.

    Can you get some video of passes not being picked up when they are in reach? In EASHL, my clubs regularly pass back to defence and it's rare a pass isn't picked up that looks to be within reach. I see some very skilled clubs use their defenders to help cycle the puck or put shots on net. The most successful clubs are the ones moving the puck and setting up good scoring chances. Especially in 6s, I'm seeing defenders score often, but I also play with clubs that don't force cross-crease passes so they look for other options. Of course, my teams are not immune to having cross-crease one timers getting scored against us. Normally, when it happens, it's because we weren't in a good position to stop it. While the majority of them get shut down, that's not always going to be the case. It takes a lot of defensive play from your whole team. It's not only dependent on defenders camping out in front of the net waiting to stop a cross-crease one timer.

    As far as defender spots not filling up goes, that's always been the case. There are many more forwards than defenders and goalies. Offense is just a more popular position. Many feel it's more fun to score than stop someone from scoring. Defense has always been a challenging position as well so it's not surprising that forwards fill up faster.
  • jrago73
    696 posts Member
    EA_Aljo wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    jrago73 wrote: »
    Sega82mega wrote: »
    I really don't wanna get down of neither the people that play this game or the developers.

    But they can't really create a game were we is forced to play hockey.

    Yes, they can. If they make proper hockey plays the most efficient way to win then that is how people will play. It's that simple. I think what you meant to say is "they won't".

    Cross creases is by far the most common way to score IRL. Just to name one example.

    And defense is also something NHL teams practice.

    Now we just have to start playing defense in this game too...

    Or balance the defense to not be at a disadvantage.

    Also we have to keep in mind that some of us are talking completely different games. You play 1v1 and I play 6v6 (until the 1st goal) so we are at times comparing apples and oranges.

    Or teach people to play defense by punish this typical 'HUT way to play-players' were everyone just try to stress the puck carrier with whoever they manage to pick control over by switching players every second. At least you 6vs6 guys dosent have to worry about that.

    But imagine a game like this.

    LW C RW

    LD RD

    And that whole squad play like their 'speedy forwards' and rush without a brain-cell against the puck. *even the elite play this way.... *

    'whers the puck!?!... Aaaaah there!... Goo get it!... Ooor.. Should I as a LD really open up myself by running for a hit on the opposite side of the rink at my own blue line... Aaah what the heck.. I go!... I can always switch player if I miss..... " 🙄

    This teams in 1vs1 needs to know you cant play that aggressive all the time.. There's times in hockey were players almost' rest' on the ice.. Just to keep gap-control/good positioning to where the puck are.

    And this is - mainly - a user error, but im notice it's getting harder and harder for this players that had there same way of playing sence NHL 15...

    I swear to you it's the same players that complain about the cross crease.

    I love cross creases, cause it's there because defense is more importen then ever, but I dont like that people only seem to think thats the only way to play and win in this game. It really looks pathetic from times to times.

    Let go of the puck and take some other shots. You might even score....

    *nothing is against you 6vs6 player jrago73

    We're all good, I never take or mean to give offense here.

    Examples from my world.

    Penalty shots, especially in 3's. Most experienced guys know you go towards the side and cut back and shoot near side when the goalie moves and it goes in 98% of the time. Do the puck flip and you're looking at about 50% depending on the player. You go do some free style deking and shooting and you're looking at about 10-20%. Guess what everybody does on their penalty shots? They go with the moves that EA let be overpowered this year.

    Now to 6's. In the off zone passes from fwd back to d will often float right pass the dman and out of the zone even though the puck was clearly in range to be received. Also scoring from the point is nearly non-existant this year (your player is rated mid-high 70's). So forwards are taught don't pass to the point.

    So the game teaches you that option is gone so now you force passes for cross crease and they will often get through the defender(s) who was in position to make the stop. Now the game teaches you to cross crease.

    You know what makes the cross crease even easier? When there is only 1-3 guys back on d instead of 5, so now let's just hustle sprint every time we get the puck so we only have to force the pass through one guy to score.

    Bad passes forcing a cross crease on the rush are rewarded at a much higher rate than setting up in the zone and passing and playing for space and position, so that is what they do.

    As for balance in 6's, go hit a drop in lobby and see how many tries it takes to fill the defender slots and/or goalie slots, yet the forwards always fill up instantly. Not a good sign of balance.

    Can you get some video of passes not being picked up when they are in reach? In EASHL, my clubs regularly pass back to defence and it's rare a pass isn't picked up that looks to be within reach. I see some very skilled clubs use their defenders to help cycle the puck or put shots on net. The most successful clubs are the ones moving the puck and setting up good scoring chances. Especially in 6s, I'm seeing defenders score often, but I also play with clubs that don't force cross-crease passes so they look for other options. Of course, my teams are not immune to having cross-crease one timers getting scored against us. Normally, when it happens, it's because we weren't in a good position to stop it. While the majority of them get shut down, that's not always going to be the case. It takes a lot of defensive play from your whole team. It's not only dependent on defenders camping out in front of the net waiting to stop a cross-crease one timer.

    As far as defender spots not filling up goes, that's always been the case. There are many more forwards than defenders and goalies. Offense is just a more popular position. Many feel it's more fun to score than stop someone from scoring. Defense has always been a challenging position as well so it's not surprising that forwards fill up faster.

    I'll try to get video but I'm barely playing lately and frankly in that situation the voice in my head doesn't say "we should record that", he screams "OMG get back and grab that loose puck in our zone!!!".

    Defender spots have always filled up slower than forwards but it sure seems to get worse every year. If they actually existed I would love to see the stats over the last 4 years as far as avg dmen per lobby and include failed lobbies where everybody quit not wanting to play half ai.
  • EA_Aljo wrote: »
    As far as defender spots not filling up goes, that's always been the case. There are many more forwards than defenders and goalies. Offense is just a more popular position. Many feel it's more fun to score than stop someone from scoring. Defense has always been a challenging position as well so it's not surprising that forwards fill up faster.


    Allow drop-in players to designate themselves as 'free agents' - and allow EASHL clubs to add players currently looking for a drop-in game that have designated themselves as 'free agents'.

    This would allow players without a club to play with a club who is short a couple of players.

    This would also appease players who only play drop-ins to get some good 6v6 club experience.

    More on this here: https://forums.ea.com/en/nhl/discussion/270110/add-a-free-agent-search-to-drop-ins-club-in-woc#latest
  • EA_Aljo wrote: »
    As far as defender spots not filling up goes, that's always been the case. There are many more forwards than defenders and goalies. Offense is just a more popular position. Many feel it's more fun to score than stop someone from scoring. Defense has always been a challenging position as well so it's not surprising that forwards fill up faster.


    Allow drop-in players to designate themselves as 'free agents' - and allow EASHL clubs to add players currently looking for a drop-in game that have designated themselves as 'free agents'.

    This would allow players without a club to play with a club who is short a couple of players.

    This would also appease players who only play drop-ins to get some good 6v6 club experience.

    More on this here: https://forums.ea.com/en/nhl/discussion/270110/add-a-free-agent-search-to-drop-ins-club-in-woc#latest

    Kid, you and I don't often agree, but this is a great idea and should be implemented!
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