How is that possible? These are progressions that are decided on before the game even releases. It certainly was last year and the assumption was that it was following the same progression this year which matches up with what we've seen so far.
I am asking for a specific reason however if there's going to be a change from what's been done in the past then we should know.
How is that possible? These are progressions that are decided on before the game even releases. It certainly was last year and the assumption was that it was following the same progression this year which matches up with what we've seen so far.
I am asking for a specific reason however if there's going to be a change from what's been done in the past then we should know.
I'm really sorry, but we don't have any news on this. We really can't talk about anything that hasn't been announced yet.
I'm really sorry, but we don't have any news on this. We really can't talk about anything that hasn't been announced yet.
So basically you have the answer but for various reasons you don't want to publicize it. Got it.
I'll make this very simple. This game has been getting worse and worse as times goes by. You may not feel that way but the majority of the community does even if the bottom line of this EA division doesn't show it. I've collected dozens of videos of gameplay that demonstrate a whole boatload of things that are simply unacceptable from passes being controlled by the game and not the user, hits where you make direct contact with the shoulder yet just bounces off, AI doing god knows what, physics defying shots/goals/passes stickhandling, among other things.
Then there's the frustratingly idiotic grind of SB not because of the games you have to play but because of the fact that we can reach the goals/shots sometimes in a period or period and a half and yet we can't as easily go afk so we just have to sit there for half the game and defend/dump the puck. I get that it can be used as a tactic to avoid higher rated teams from coming back but still. It's simply a waste of time. That's not grinding. That's just wasting time for no reason. Grinding is actively working towards a specific goal/achievement. You can try to argue that the grind includes the win and to a small degree you'd be right. However, grinding is active gameplay. If people have to spend half the grind simply doing nothing but skating around to waste time, that's not active gameplay.
Those aren't even half of the issues with the game or the community.
But I was still kind of into in part because I was enjoying the collecting of cards, collectibles, auction house and building players I like so at times I could accept grind.
Then the recent FF upgrade debacle came out along with the McDavid build. I can show the math but simply put it's ridiculous to spend more collectables on a 3 or 4 OV upgrade where certain stats don't even get an increase when you could build an entirely new player that's at worst equal for than less than the cost of the upgrade and that doesn't even include the initial investment in the build of the player.
We need an explanation on why the cost of the upgrade is so ludicrously high not just for this MSP set but I'd imagine future ones as well.
Because at this point, if I'm not even going to be able to realistically upgrade the players I want to upgrade, like we were somewhat able to do last year and like is the case with Icons, then screw this, I'm done, the last benefit I was clinging to is gone and therefore the costs far outweigh the benefits.
EA this is 100% correct. You really look bad and the appearance is basically a money grab! If you really put some thought into you should really understand basic economics. The ridiculous amount of GC's needed are impossible for I would say 95% of the players. If you cut the requirement in half you would have more people willing to purchase maybe an extra CG or two or three. But the way it is so ridculous and on top of that no collectables in HUT Rush.
Even all the youtubers who support your game are telling the community that this is dumb and not to do it.
Please reconsider your model. Not a good idea to give more people a reason to dislike EA.
I'm really sorry, but we don't have any news on this. We really can't talk about anything that hasn't been announced yet.
So basically you have the answer but for various reasons you don't want to publicize it. Got it.
I'll make this very simple. This game has been getting worse and worse as times goes by. You may not feel that way but the majority of the community does even if the bottom line of this EA division doesn't show it. I've collected dozens of videos of gameplay that demonstrate a whole boatload of things that are simply unacceptable from passes being controlled by the game and not the user, hits where you make direct contact with the shoulder yet just bounces off, AI doing god knows what, physics defying shots/goals/passes stickhandling, among other things.
Then there's the frustratingly idiotic grind of SB not because of the games you have to play but because of the fact that we can reach the goals/shots sometimes in a period or period and a half and yet we can't as easily go afk so we just have to sit there for half the game and defend/dump the puck. I get that it can be used as a tactic to avoid higher rated teams from coming back but still. It's simply a waste of time. That's not grinding. That's just wasting time for no reason. Grinding is actively working towards a specific goal/achievement. You can try to argue that the grind includes the win and to a small degree you'd be right. However, grinding is active gameplay. If people have to spend half the grind simply doing nothing but skating around to waste time, that's not active gameplay.
Those aren't even half of the issues with the game or the community.
But I was still kind of into in part because I was enjoying the collecting of cards, collectibles, auction house and building players I like so at times I could accept grind.
Then the recent FF upgrade debacle came out along with the McDavid build. I can show the math but simply put it's ridiculous to spend more collectables on a 3 or 4 OV upgrade where certain stats don't even get an increase when you could build an entirely new player that's at worst equal for than less than the cost of the upgrade and that doesn't even include the initial investment in the build of the player.
We need an explanation on why the cost of the upgrade is so ludicrously high not just for this MSP set but I'd imagine future ones as well.
Because at this point, if I'm not even going to be able to realistically upgrade the players I want to upgrade, like we were somewhat able to do last year and like is the case with Icons, then screw this, I'm done, the last benefit I was clinging to is gone and therefore the costs far outweigh the benefits.
No. I don't have the answer, but even if I did, I couldn't share it since it hasn't been publicly announced.
No. I don't have the answer, but even if I did, I couldn't share it since it hasn't been publicly announced.
Thanks for the feedback.
Are we going to get an answer as to why there is such a massive discrepancy between the cost of upgrading the Franchise Greats (and I assume future MSP's) compared to the building of equal strength but current MSP's, every other upgrade (Icons, Fantasy), and an upgrade that just came out which is the Arnott one?
No. I don't have the answer, but even if I did, I couldn't share it since it hasn't been publicly announced.
Thanks for the feedback.
Are we going to get an answer as to why there is such a massive discrepancy between the cost of upgrading the Franchise Greats (and I assume future MSP's) compared to the building of equal strength but current MSP's, every other upgrade (Icons, Fantasy), and an upgrade that just came out which is the Arnott one?
The items each upgrade requires is based on how big the upgrade is. Arnott only needs 2 gold collectibles because his overall only goes up by 2.
The items each upgrade requires is based on how big the upgrade is. Arnott only needs 2 gold collectibles because his overall only goes up by 2.
Sigh……ok so you want the math then.
Doesn’t follow formula that we all know is being used
10 – 12 GC (I don’t remember which) to build 90/91 Saku Koivu 10 GC to go from 90 to 94 or 91 to 94 and 15 GC to go from 91 to 95. That’s 20 to 22 GC for a 94 OV and 25 to 27 GC for a 95 OV
McDavid. 27 GC plus a whole bunch of extras like impossible to find jerseys and logos for a 97 OV. Add to that if It’s going to be used as an upgrade for a future 99 OV card.
Follows formula that we all know is being used
Fantasy Mark Stone. 65ish players, some jerseys and 8GC to get to 90 OV. 6GC and 28 Gold Jerseys to get from 93 to 94 OV. Total of 14 GC plus 65ish players and some jerseys for a 94 OV.
Icon Wayne Gretzky. 7 IC to build 89 OV. Don’t remember the upgrade cost to get to 91. 9 IC to go from 89 to 94 OV and 6 to go from 91 to 94. Total of 16 IC for a 94 OV
Jason Arnott. Cost to build is roughly 184 players (23x8) which is less than 4 GC but let’s round up to 4. To get from 90 to 92 it costs 2 GC. Total cost, 6 GC for a 92 OV.
94 OV Team building sets. Roughly 368 players (round up to 400) and that's 8 GC for a 94 OV
98 OV Team building sets Roughly 713 (round up to 750) and that's 15 GC for a 98 OV
*math is rough estimates for the above team building sets as the number of players needed vary from team to team
To build a brand new 94 MSP you can do 16 GC or 10 GC + NHL Moments. Then 3GC to upgrade 94 to 95. Total cost not using the moments collectibles is say 19 GC for a 95 OV.
So there’s the math. It doesn’t make sense for Koivu and the other FG players, along with what I’m assuming will be the next set of sunset player upgrades to cost MORE than what the 99 Icon and MSP players will cost. Even though you can’t confirm that they will cost 25 GC/IC, based on the cost of the upgrading of the FG players, the cost would have to be in the 30’s.
So sorry but your explanation using Arnott does not work and the math above shows it.
Now we can also add the Al Afriate upgrade which costs 6GC to upgrade a 90 to a 94. Which is the exact same OV upgrade as the FG ones that cost 4 more GC, and 9 more to do the same type of OV upgrade but 91 to 95.
Maybe if everyone stopped dumping money into the game, they would make changes. Highly doubtful, but when people are spending the money regardless of how ridiculous the cost is, why should they change anything. ..personally, I agree 100% its ridiculous what you have to do to get good players. I mean even something small, like if you hit a milestone ..100 wins in rivals, you should get a 88 overall player..a tradable one too...nothing more frustrating then putting time into a game only to get nothing but wins in return. At least online seasons had an objective. Division 1. That was somewhat satisfying...now you can't even see your recent games, or anything. You can only see y oil or overall record. And even more frustrating is the free package you get for RUSH and the others are almost 99% throw away cards. I've yet to pull someone higher than an 84. It's terrible. But, that's where the money comes in I guess. Unless you have 10 hours a day to play.
I don't have any additional details on this. I'm not responsible for setting the cost of items. The dev team is aware of the feedback about their cost. If any changes are made, there will be an update on our official channels.
The items each upgrade requires is based on how big the upgrade is. Arnott only needs 2 gold collectibles because his overall only goes up by 2.
Sigh……ok so you want the math then.
Doesn’t follow formula that we all know is being used
10 – 12 GC (I don’t remember which) to build 90/91 Saku Koivu 10 GC to go from 90 to 94 or 91 to 94 and 15 GC to go from 91 to 95. That’s 20 to 22 GC for a 94 OV and 25 to 27 GC for a 95 OV
McDavid. 27 GC plus a whole bunch of extras like impossible to find jerseys and logos for a 97 OV. Add to that if It’s going to be used as an upgrade for a future 99 OV card.
Follows formula that we all know is being used
Fantasy Mark Stone. 65ish players, some jerseys and 8GC to get to 90 OV. 6GC and 28 Gold Jerseys to get from 93 to 94 OV. Total of 14 GC plus 65ish players and some jerseys for a 94 OV.
Icon Wayne Gretzky. 7 IC to build 89 OV. Don’t remember the upgrade cost to get to 91. 9 IC to go from 89 to 94 OV and 6 to go from 91 to 94. Total of 16 IC for a 94 OV
Jason Arnott. Cost to build is roughly 184 players (23x8) which is less than 4 GC but let’s round up to 4. To get from 90 to 92 it costs 2 GC. Total cost, 6 GC for a 92 OV.
94 OV Team building sets. Roughly 368 players (round up to 400) and that's 8 GC for a 94 OV
98 OV Team building sets Roughly 713 (round up to 750) and that's 15 GC for a 98 OV
*math is rough estimates for the above team building sets as the number of players needed vary from team to team
To build a brand new 94 MSP you can do 16 GC or 10 GC + NHL Moments. Then 3GC to upgrade 94 to 95. Total cost not using the moments collectibles is say 19 GC for a 95 OV.
So there’s the math. It doesn’t make sense for Koivu and the other FG players, along with what I’m assuming will be the next set of sunset player upgrades to cost MORE than what the 99 Icon and MSP players will cost. Even though you can’t confirm that they will cost 25 GC/IC, based on the cost of the upgrading of the FG players, the cost would have to be in the 30’s.
So sorry but your explanation using Arnott does not work and the math above shows it.
Don't bother upgrading those cards. Their speed isn't actually increased over the msp's. It's a garbage scam upgrade option.
Gotta love the amount it takes for one of the All Star collections. Basically if you're not paying real money in game, don't bother trying to save up to upgrade your players.
Don't bother upgrading those cards. Their speed isn't actually increased over the msp's. It's a garbage scam upgrade option.
You're correct with the speed. That was something I didn't mention but others have. The upgrades were not based off the FG but I believe his base card which is why the speed is the same despite the upgrade. If that's the case, and why there is the 15 GC upgrade, then the requirement of the 90 or 91 FG card is even more preposterous.
Aside from that yes I agree it's 100% a scam and we know that based on the fact that that the official @EA_Aljo response is a typical non response that we get on pretty much everything when they don't want to say the actual answer.
Gotta love the amount it takes for one of the All Star collections. Basically if you're not paying real money in game, don't bother trying to save up to upgrade your players.
Going to disagree here. The cost of building players has been consistent since the beginning of the year and that is the key problem with the upgrades is that it doesn't fit with the cost of building and the cost of other upgrades whether it be MSP or ICON.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6eCwE8oCIE
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We don't have any details on this since nothing's been announced yet. We'll have to wait and see what happens.
I am asking for a specific reason however if there's going to be a change from what's been done in the past then we should know.
I'm really sorry, but we don't have any news on this. We really can't talk about anything that hasn't been announced yet.
So basically you have the answer but for various reasons you don't want to publicize it. Got it.
I'll make this very simple. This game has been getting worse and worse as times goes by. You may not feel that way but the majority of the community does even if the bottom line of this EA division doesn't show it. I've collected dozens of videos of gameplay that demonstrate a whole boatload of things that are simply unacceptable from passes being controlled by the game and not the user, hits where you make direct contact with the shoulder yet just bounces off, AI doing god knows what, physics defying shots/goals/passes stickhandling, among other things.
Then there's the frustratingly idiotic grind of SB not because of the games you have to play but because of the fact that we can reach the goals/shots sometimes in a period or period and a half and yet we can't as easily go afk so we just have to sit there for half the game and defend/dump the puck. I get that it can be used as a tactic to avoid higher rated teams from coming back but still. It's simply a waste of time. That's not grinding. That's just wasting time for no reason. Grinding is actively working towards a specific goal/achievement. You can try to argue that the grind includes the win and to a small degree you'd be right. However, grinding is active gameplay. If people have to spend half the grind simply doing nothing but skating around to waste time, that's not active gameplay.
Those aren't even half of the issues with the game or the community.
But I was still kind of into in part because I was enjoying the collecting of cards, collectibles, auction house and building players I like so at times I could accept grind.
Then the recent FF upgrade debacle came out along with the McDavid build. I can show the math but simply put it's ridiculous to spend more collectables on a 3 or 4 OV upgrade where certain stats don't even get an increase when you could build an entirely new player that's at worst equal for than less than the cost of the upgrade and that doesn't even include the initial investment in the build of the player.
We need an explanation on why the cost of the upgrade is so ludicrously high not just for this MSP set but I'd imagine future ones as well.
Because at this point, if I'm not even going to be able to realistically upgrade the players I want to upgrade, like we were somewhat able to do last year and like is the case with Icons, then screw this, I'm done, the last benefit I was clinging to is gone and therefore the costs far outweigh the benefits.
Even all the youtubers who support your game are telling the community that this is dumb and not to do it.
Please reconsider your model. Not a good idea to give more people a reason to dislike EA.
No. I don't have the answer, but even if I did, I couldn't share it since it hasn't been publicly announced.
Thanks for the feedback.
Are we going to get an answer as to why there is such a massive discrepancy between the cost of upgrading the Franchise Greats (and I assume future MSP's) compared to the building of equal strength but current MSP's, every other upgrade (Icons, Fantasy), and an upgrade that just came out which is the Arnott one?
The items each upgrade requires is based on how big the upgrade is. Arnott only needs 2 gold collectibles because his overall only goes up by 2.
Sigh……ok so you want the math then.
Doesn’t follow formula that we all know is being used
10 – 12 GC (I don’t remember which) to build 90/91 Saku Koivu 10 GC to go from 90 to 94 or 91 to 94 and 15 GC to go from 91 to 95. That’s 20 to 22 GC for a 94 OV and 25 to 27 GC for a 95 OV
McDavid. 27 GC plus a whole bunch of extras like impossible to find jerseys and logos for a 97 OV. Add to that if It’s going to be used as an upgrade for a future 99 OV card.
Follows formula that we all know is being used
Fantasy Mark Stone. 65ish players, some jerseys and 8GC to get to 90 OV. 6GC and 28 Gold Jerseys to get from 93 to 94 OV. Total of 14 GC plus 65ish players and some jerseys for a 94 OV.
Icon Wayne Gretzky. 7 IC to build 89 OV. Don’t remember the upgrade cost to get to 91. 9 IC to go from 89 to 94 OV and 6 to go from 91 to 94. Total of 16 IC for a 94 OV
Jason Arnott. Cost to build is roughly 184 players (23x8) which is less than 4 GC but let’s round up to 4. To get from 90 to 92 it costs 2 GC. Total cost, 6 GC for a 92 OV.
94 OV Team building sets. Roughly 368 players (round up to 400) and that's 8 GC for a 94 OV
98 OV Team building sets Roughly 713 (round up to 750) and that's 15 GC for a 98 OV
*math is rough estimates for the above team building sets as the number of players needed vary from team to team
To build a brand new 94 MSP you can do 16 GC or 10 GC + NHL Moments. Then 3GC to upgrade 94 to 95. Total cost not using the moments collectibles is say 19 GC for a 95 OV.
So there’s the math. It doesn’t make sense for Koivu and the other FG players, along with what I’m assuming will be the next set of sunset player upgrades to cost MORE than what the 99 Icon and MSP players will cost. Even though you can’t confirm that they will cost 25 GC/IC, based on the cost of the upgrading of the FG players, the cost would have to be in the 30’s.
So sorry but your explanation using Arnott does not work and the math above shows it.
I don't have any additional details on this. I'm not responsible for setting the cost of items. The dev team is aware of the feedback about their cost. If any changes are made, there will be an update on our official channels.
Don't bother upgrading those cards. Their speed isn't actually increased over the msp's. It's a garbage scam upgrade option.
You're correct with the speed. That was something I didn't mention but others have. The upgrades were not based off the FG but I believe his base card which is why the speed is the same despite the upgrade. If that's the case, and why there is the 15 GC upgrade, then the requirement of the 90 or 91 FG card is even more preposterous.
Aside from that yes I agree it's 100% a scam and we know that based on the fact that that the official @EA_Aljo response is a typical non response that we get on pretty much everything when they don't want to say the actual answer.
Going to disagree here. The cost of building players has been consistent since the beginning of the year and that is the key problem with the upgrades is that it doesn't fit with the cost of building and the cost of other upgrades whether it be MSP or ICON.