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Goalies in Competitive style are HORRIBLE. Worst in any NHL so far.

I had to switch to Full Sim, because playing with Competitive those goalies are absolutely terrible, horrible. Glad I'm not that into online playing, because that must suck.

I mean, the goalies absolutely constantly let in weak goals, stand in out of position, slide out of the crease with the slowest speed imaginable. And the rebound control. Holy fcuck. My grandmother would be faster than that.

The issue is not letting in a weak goal once a few matches, but many of them each match. Average of 8-10 shots on goal a match, 3-5 goals for CPU a match. That's sick.

I've uploaded some videos on youtube to back up what I'm talking about, here's 2 of them (feel free to watch the other bad goalie videos on the channel as well):





And both of these videos include 88 overall Luongo. Settings on competitive All-Star.

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  • I hate to disagree but I'm playing on allstar competitive and not seeing more than 3 goals against every 5 games. I've got 5 shutouts so far with the wings in franchise (mrazek has 4 including opening night vs tampa and Washington in my last game before I was done for the night,Howard has other).

    Few questions
    What setup are you using? (Can't remember what it was called but it's refers to your skill in hockey games, top level was expert. Only reason asking because I was on expert for 9/10 hour trial and couldn't score more than 2 goals a game and couldn't keep the puck out and always lost 4-2. I changed to the level below expert and enjoying it.)

    Was the goal in second video posted allowed or was it null ?
  • A lot of this really comes down to your defensive skill. I'm working my way through HUT atm. Am in D7, I think I'm like 10-1 overall. I just scored 15 goals on a guy the last game. But when the other guy is good defensively, I can struggle to score even 2 or 3 (haven't been shutout yet). Imo, it's all about knowing the types of shots your goalie can handle and which ones he can't, and defending to give him the shot he can handle.
  • I hate to disagree but I'm playing on allstar competitive and not seeing more than 3 goals against every 5 games. I've got 5 shutouts so far with the wings in franchise (mrazek has 4 including opening night vs tampa and Washington in my last game before I was done for the night,Howard has other).

    Few questions
    What setup are you using? (Can't remember what it was called but it's refers to your skill in hockey games, top level was expert. Only reason asking because I was on expert for 9/10 hour trial and couldn't score more than 2 goals a game and couldn't keep the puck out and always lost 4-2. I changed to the level below expert and enjoying it.)

    Was the goal in second video posted allowed or was it null ?

    I'm also using expert. I know how to play, I mean I manually played against offline at least 10 seasons on NHL 16 as I was really addicted then + like 200 games on HUT.

    Also when you defend so that your goalie faces max 10 shots, he really shouldn't let in 3-5 goals every game.

    The second video was allowed goal, which was more why I posted it, as imo it was clear goalie interference.

    Anyway, look at the first video, that's how easily the goalies slide out of position, and extremely slow, I mean really painfully slow and that's just impossible to defend. You're defending empty nets basically entire game
  • You're literally complaining about two goals where the offence got BEHIND your defencemen,

    Goal 1: Diagonal pass, player receives the puck facing other way and spins and shoots. This causes the goalie to have to readjust his angle on the fly. Pretty realistic goal.

    Goal 2: Backdoor pass. You initially put your goalie out of position by virtue of running into him... and then fail to clear the rebound.

    Both goals are a result of defensive errors. Don't blame the goalies for that.

  • CopenhagenBomber
    3178 posts Member
    edited September 2016
    I love how people are trying to justify the game's horrible mechanics with EA Logic... That's why this game will always remain a joke and the devs will never see fit to do things otherwise than how they're doing things now.

    The fact is that NO goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots or less per game. Ever... The fact that the offense can get behind the defense in this game is not a result of "bad defense", it's a result of the game making the offensive player virtually untouchable thanks to the godlike lateral acceleration of the player with the puck (compared to the player without the puck) and the magic protect the puck bubble. But even when the offensive player with the puck DOESN'T get behind the goalie and just takes a shot from the high slot, it will go in and the goalie will look WEAK.

    Don't try to defend bad game mechanics with faulty logic...
  • COGSx86
    781 posts Member
    edited September 2016

    The fact is that NO goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots or less per game. Ever...


    Clearly has never play shiny, which is pretty close to EASHL, unless your playing 6s and even then its a result from poor team work. Then its like semi-shiny pro team playing against 40 year old drunks.



    literally lmao
    You must unlearn what you have learned!
  • I love how people are trying to justify the game's horrible mechanics with EA Logic...

    I also love when people refuse to take responsibility for their own defensive shortcomings and blame everything on game mechanics. It's not perfect but my lord, enough with using it as a crutch.

    If you're letting 3-5 goals on 10 shots per game, it's you not the game.
  • COGSx86 wrote: »

    The fact is that NO goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots or less per game. Ever...


    Clearly has never play shiny, which is pretty close to EASHL, unless your playing 6s and even then its a result from poor team work. Then its like semi-shiny pro team playing against 40 year old drunks.



    literally lmao

    Clearly your mouth (fingers?) operates before your brain has had time to process any type of information, leading you to sound like an idiot 23/6.7083333333 (I left out one hour per day where you're actually using it, but that's probably when you're on the porcelain throne).

    Idiot... The dev has already stated many times that the builds we use in EASHL have attributes in the 85-90 range, essentially making the players we control NHL 2nd line forwards and d-men or a backup goalie at best. Hardly a bunch of bearded scrubs playing shiny and downing a two-four on the pond one sunny Sunday morning.

    Even if you could liken drop-ins to glorified All-Star matches where offense is king and defense is a four letter word, I've NEVER seen an all-star game end with a score of 5-6 goals on only 10 shots.
    Mike3501 wrote: »
    I love how people are trying to justify the game's horrible mechanics with EA Logic...

    I also love when people refuse to take responsibility for their own defensive shortcomings and blame everything on game mechanics. It's not perfect but my lord, enough with using it as a crutch.

    If you're letting 3-5 goals on 10 shots per game, it's you not the game.

    Oh I see... My mistake. I was not aware I was speaking to a defensive god on the forums. Clearly you must not allow ONE single shot on net for the entire game's 60 minutes, because that's the only way to "defend" against lobbers from the point that find their way behind the goalie.

    I'm so lucky to have been blessed by your knowledge, good sir!

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  • Guys!

    I'm not talking about my defensive effort.

    Surely bad defense = concede goals. But that is NOT my problem here!

    You have to look at the goalie movement, that's my problem. The positioning, the speed, the rebound control, all that is horrible.

    I'm talking solely about the goalie movement, it's not what it should be. It's unrealistic, bad, slow and not an improvement on last year as it was advertised.
  • COGSx86
    781 posts Member
    edited September 2016
    COGSx86 wrote: »

    The fact is that NO goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots or less per game. Ever...


    Clearly has never play shiny, which is pretty close to EASHL, unless your playing 6s and even then its a result from poor team work. Then its like semi-shiny pro team playing against 40 year old drunks.



    literally lmao

    Clearly your mouth (fingers?) operates before your brain has had time to process any type of information, leading you to sound like an idiot 23/6.7083333333 (I left out one hour per day where you're actually using it, but that's probably when you're on the porcelain throne).




    Ya attack me ok, shows your character, sad you cant just talk about the mechanics of the game.

    Tell me, have you ever played shinny ? clearly not, saying no goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots.

    The first video, your goalie was out of position, period. This has nothing to do with the mechanics of the game.

    The second video, not sure why your selected guy just runs right into your goalie ?
    But the goal had nothing to do with the bad goals, that goal was the poor mechanics of the game, guys stick going through the goalie picks up the puck.


    But to think the attributes make hockey intelligence better, now thats a laugh. What the type of defense are you playing with ? What kinda outlet passes are they making ? Where are your teammates positioned ?


    Are the goals being scored because players can walk in on the goalie ? Are they perimeter shots ?

    I honestly dont really have much of an issue playing goalie, and the goal I have let in, I can only blame myself.

    To blame the game everytime a goal is scored against you, is kinda sad. You have more then enough tools to use.

    You seriously have to adjust your playing style, this game is different for the better and to sit around, complain and not adjust who is to blame for that ?
    You must unlearn what you have learned!
  • CopenhagenBomber
    3178 posts Member
    edited September 2016
    COGSx86 wrote: »

    The fact is that NO goalie would allow 3-5 goals on 10 shots or less per game. Ever...


    Clearly has never play shiny, which is pretty close to EASHL, unless your playing 6s and even then its a result from poor team work. Then its like semi-shiny pro team playing against 40 year old drunks.



    literally lmao

    See that? That was you starting 🎃🎃🎃🎃.

    How the hell do you know what I did and didn't do in my life? Didn't play shiny... I used to strap on my pads and goalie equipment and then go outside and play for HOURS in sub 25 temperatures (that's -25°C or -13°F for all y'all 'murricans). And that was on almost every day I didn't have hockey practice or a game to play during hockey season.

    I played competitive hockey from 🎃🎃🎃🎃 C to Junior A and even when I started in the lowly 🎃🎃🎃🎃 C ranks and I barely had learned how to skate, I NEVER gave up over 3 goals on just 10 shots.

    You try so hard to find excuses for why the user is wrong when in reality, the game is far from being flawless. What you fail to comprehend is that we're not just knocking the game to feel good about ourselves. We're trying to find ways to let the devs know of the problem so the game gets BETTER.

    http://xboxdvr.com/gamer/VeNOM2O99/video/21843792

    Does that look like user error to you? What am I saying... of COURSE it's user error to you! LOL! Man, I'd love to meet the nurse who dropped you repeatedly on your head after you were born.
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