Every time I see a post by Kory I cringe. Please Kory, if it's only sore losers that post about it then why is my club 42-1-0, I'm 48-3-1 in hut and I still absolutely hate the game and get frustrated even when winning because it's such a scripted chore to play. I can play a .500 player and win by 1-2 goals, then play a top 20 player and win by 1-2 goals, unless your opponent is next level dog **** at the game it feels like every game tries to keep it as close as possible.
This is why the game is trash, between the game changers and the mods who are pretty much the voices for the community, are all terrible at the game besides B-Bunny, and MAYBE Howtochel (who I don't think is as good as people think he is). Get rid of the useless Hut giveaway streamers as the voice for the game who spend 95% of their time ripping packs and doing trade days rather then playing the game, and get some **** elite players who EA can take advice from about things that need to change.
Also, to the people saying how everyone wants it back to the arcade days and how bad it was. You are obviously misunderstanding what most people want when they say that. Back then it was so consistent, you knew when you messed up defensively it was going in the net. There wasn't a million auto animations or bounces happening each game that led to **** moments constantly. Controlling your player was flawless and so responsive, it was so easy to be where you wanted to be on the ice. Because it was so easy to control yourself it made playing D feel so much easier which was perfect with how goalies were so consistent with letting certain goals in or "glitches" as people call them, because at least the D had no excuse for giving the space to get to those spots with the great control you had of your skater. It was a game of humans against humans and skill won, now it's a coin toss of who gets the lucky bounce
Agree with alot of what you posted.
As for the lucky bounces and whatnot, I agree, it is hockey. **** happens all the time. Problem is, it does not FEEL like randomness in this game. It feels scripted and weak. Randomness, to me, is a shot from the point and it deflects twice before reaching the net. Or a shot deflects off a d man who is passing in front of his goalie. Or a pass that deflects off a defender and goes to the net.
When almost all poke checks and rebounds go to the opposing team, that is not randomness. The game does not feel organic at all. Game after game, it is always the same W TF moments. Every game feels the same, regardless of player classes that are selected. Goalies always making the same saves, or letting in the same goals.
Also, to the people saying how everyone wants it back to the arcade days and how bad it was. You are obviously misunderstanding what most people want when they say that. Back then it was so consistent, you knew when you messed up defensively it was going in the net. There wasn't a million auto animations or bounces happening each game that led to **** moments constantly. Controlling your player was flawless and so responsive, it was so easy to be where you wanted to be on the ice. Because it was so easy to control yourself it made playing D feel so much easier which was perfect with how goalies were so consistent with letting certain goals in or "glitches" as people call them, because at least the D had no excuse for giving the space to get to those spots with the great control you had of your skater. It was a game of humans against humans and skill won, now it's a coin toss of who gets the lucky bounce
I want to quote this paragraph from Assisted because it explains it well. Why do people LOVE dark souls games? They are hard **** but they are fair. When you die, you know EXACTLY what you did wrong and you learned and you have a clear opportunity to improve yourself for the next respawn. its CONSISTENT. Most skill based games have little randomness and MUCH consistency. The skill comes from mastering these constant behaviors.
The same USED to be true with NHL. All the go to goals had solid and consistent counters. if the guys went for a crosscrease, I could stop it 100% of the time IF i tried to stop a cross crease. The game came from trying to make people think you will do something and do something else instead. At least at higher skill levels. You could debate that the same is true in nhl14_ but its not really the case. As assisted said, skating is part of the issue. You backup with the guy and get screwed over because of a small loss of control of your skater and get scored on. Yet you did all you needed from a positional hockey angle but you cant control that your guy decided to spin right instead of left to pivot or that he wont face the darn puck while keeping his 2 feets towards the net instead of spinning half way to the right or left.
Poke check is another example. You may get a clean poke and either it goes through the puck or the carrier loses it for a fraction of second and regain it immediately. You could put the body in front of the shooter and the puck go through you and score. You could be in the angle of a cross crease and the puck decide to go through your skate and stick for a clean cross crease.
These things rarely happened before but they are fairly common now.
There is 0 consistency in the game and it feels like a glorified game of heads or tails. Our team also went on crazy win streaks when we played in beta and when we played in 14. At some point I think we went 19-1 or something. Despite this, most games felt frustrating and unfun battles against teams who did not feel like they should even stand a chance but still bringing us to OT.
a little randomness is ok on say, posts and missed nets but too much just kills the game.
Even the game ejections for checking from behind were not random at all and I still dont get why they removed it as it created a layer of skill. In every single cases where a player got ejected from the game most of my team called the ejection as SOON as the hit too place and we were always right which means it was controllable and most of us knew when to hold the hit and when to hit and never got ejected while one guy in particular got ejected every other match.
Surprised this thread is still going, what with all the mod-bashing going and no 'real' new insight beyond the first page..
Yah, they should lock and delete every thread where people have an opinion that differs from yours. It must be really difficult for you to have to read each new reply from different people who disagree with you. Im sorry you have to endure that.
Surprised this thread is still going, what with all the mod-bashing going and no 'real' new insight beyond the first page..
Yah, they should lock and delete every thread where people have an opinion that differs from yours. It must be really difficult for you to have to read each new reply from different people who disagree with you. Im sorry you have to endure that.
You kept saying 'you' like you're referring to me. Mistake me for someone who gives a sh@t bro?
30 QQ posts a day about the same thing, you're right they should lock/delete more threads than they do, I agree with you there. But if crying about game physics and coding makes people feel better than have it. All these posts have done a wonderful job shaping this game to the current state it's in.
P.S, I'm a troll. All my posts are just nonsense and sarcasm.
Surprised this thread is still going, what with all the mod-bashing going and no 'real' new insight beyond the first page..
Yah, they should lock and delete every thread where people have an opinion that differs from yours. It must be really difficult for you to have to read each new reply from different people who disagree with you. Im sorry you have to endure that.
You kept saying 'you' like you're referring to me. Mistake me for someone who gives a sh@t bro?
30 QQ posts a day about the same thing, you're right they should lock/delete more threads than they do, I agree with you there. But if crying about game physics and coding makes people feel better than have it. All these posts have done a wonderful job shaping this game to the current state it's in.
P.S, I'm a troll. All my posts are just nonsense and sarcasm.
Lol Yeah I remember all those posts about people asking for terrible puck pickups, clunky skating and vision control and an increase in weak goals. This is definitely the game we wanted and asked for.
I have literally apologized to people I have beaten in this game and shared a laugh with them about how bad the game is.
At the end of a night of playing this, I usually have no idea what our record is, because the angry clusterfucks just blend together and its never enjoyable, even when you win all or most of your games. Thats a pretty big sign that this game has a lot of problems.
I love hockey, I really want to like this game and enjoy it like I used to, please let me EA.
Surprised this thread is still going, what with all the mod-bashing going and no 'real' new insight beyond the first page..
Yah, they should lock and delete every thread where people have an opinion that differs from yours. It must be really difficult for you to have to read each new reply from different people who disagree with you. Im sorry you have to endure that.
You kept saying 'you' like you're referring to me. Mistake me for someone who gives a sh@t bro?
30 QQ posts a day about the same thing, you're right they should lock/delete more threads than they do, I agree with you there. But if crying about game physics and coding makes people feel better than have it. All these posts have done a wonderful job shaping this game to the current state it's in.
P.S, I'm a troll. All my posts are just nonsense and sarcasm.
Lol Yeah I remember all those posts about people asking for terrible puck pickups, clunky skating and vision control and an increase in weak goals. This is definitely the game we wanted and asked for.
+100000000000000000 you win. hahahah that was great!
You mean the glory days of the arcade "magic carpet" glide skating engine and glitch goals galore. "Oh but you just defend against the glitch goal". Whoops! There's the one-timer!
"Well then protect against the one timer". Whoops! There's the Bacon Slapper!!
"Well then protect against the Bacon Slapper". Whoops! There's the curve shot!!
"Well then protect against the curve shot". Whoops! There's the Kick wrap!!
And the vicious circle never ended. Please... Stop talking about the past of the NHL series like it was the golden years. It was the golden years of ****!! And I've got news for you; we've never left them. Every year there's the same **** affecting the game in a different packaging.
That's not the fault of TPS or that the game is more realistic now. That's just the direction the game has been going on since... forever (and no, that's not the developer's fault either).
Venom,
there are those who would dispute that having all these different types of shots going in actually made for a better representation of hockey.
If I park you in goals with no defense, chances are many of these shots will go in a lot of the time.
Do you think that NHL players not use the cross crease more often because the goalies are so good? No. Its one of the main priority of a defender to protect the goalie against a cross crease attempt. The reason most players at NHL level do not try it is because it would most likely result in a turn over but still, several times a game, you see attempts. They fail not because of saves, they fail because the pass doesnt connect or the defense blocks the play.
When you artificially stop those scoring chances with a superhuman goalie, you have little to no choice but to make the defenders weaker to compensate because otherwise the games would end 0-0 99% of the time. And then you have what we have today. A game where playing goalie is unrewarding and mostly worse than having an AI goalie. Where playing defense is unrewarding as you are nothing more than a glorified cone. And where playing offense is unrewarding creativity because whats going in will be either your 1 or 2 glitch shot or a lucky garbage goal.
Its easy to get mad at "glitch goals" and not understand that a cross crease and a wrister and a well positionned slapper is not a glitch goal. Everyone in real life go for money goals too. A human goalie back in those days could be a lot better than a AI because the AI was fairly weak. The Human could anticipate a cross crease and stop it even though it was the defense job to do so.
What we have now is a vicious circle of terrible gameplay in the sake of making the terrible players not feel so terrible.
I have literally apologized to people I have beaten in this game and shared a laugh with them about how bad the game is.
At the end of a night of playing this, I usually have no idea what our record is, because the angry clusterfucks just blend together and its never enjoyable, even when you win all or most of your games. Thats a pretty big sign that this game has a lot of problems.
I love hockey, I really want to like this game and enjoy it like I used to, please let me EA.
QFT
Thats why my team stopped playing for a few years now.
We used to have fun whether we won or lost for the most part and we knew exactly what we did wrong when we did lose and what to improve on. Now? Its all a blend but for the most part, its just an exercise of frustration, win or lose. It just became not worth my time or money. Play games for fun...this game just isnt anymore.
QFT
Thats why my team stopped playing for a few years now.
We used to have fun whether we won or lost for the most part and we knew exactly what we did wrong when we did lose and what to improve on. Now? Its all a blend but for the most part, its just an exercise of frustration, win or lose. It just became not worth my time or money. Play games for fun...this game just isnt anymore.
+100
Not much to add to this, but pretty much the same story for us.
The game is a scripted, automated mess imo. Often times the games forces me to do stuff I don't want my player to do. Example, the other night, while lying on the ice to block a pass, my player stands up for no reason to allow the pass to get through. This also happens when I am trying to dive, but arbitrarily the cpu decides I should do a standing block animation so the puck can go right by me. Like someone else mentioned, poking a player at the blue line is a joke, what should result in a huge, easy breakaway leads to the puck coming off his stick maybe a foot for him to be able to pick it up again.
Another game I played, I wound up to take a shot, and the puck flies backwards towards are own goal. Stuff like this happens every single night, and the more cpu's on the ice the more you lose control of your skater. I can't tell you how many times I get a puck and try to turn one way, but the cpu makes my player turn in the opposite direction so I run into the AI player. It's also more the obvious to me that the game delays user input to allow the AI to react faster and counter you. What player type are these AI exactly, because they aren't bound by the skating engine and have the ability to constantly pass through defenders. So many times all 3 of our forwards will have the cpu pinned and blocked from all side, but he easily makes passes through everyone.
The game is a scripted, automated mess imo. Often times the games forces me to do stuff I don't want my player to do. Example, the other night, while lying on the ice to block a pass, my player stands up for no reason to allow the pass to get through. This also happens when I am trying to dive, but arbitrarily the cpu decides I should do a standing block animation so the puck can go right by me. Like someone else mentioned, poking a player at the blue line is a joke, what should result in a huge, easy breakaway leads to the puck coming off his stick maybe a foot for him to be able to pick it up again.
Another game I played, I wound up to take a shot, and the puck flies backwards towards are own goal. Stuff like this happens every single night, and the more cpu's on the ice the more you lose control of your skater. I can't tell you how many times I get a puck and try to turn one way, but the cpu makes my player turn in the opposite direction so I run into the AI player. It's also more the obvious to me that the game delays user input to allow the AI to react faster and counter you. What player type are these AI exactly, because they aren't bound by the skating engine and have the ability to constantly pass through defenders. So many times all 3 of our forwards will have the cpu pinned and blocked from all side, but he easily makes passes through everyone.
Same rant I have almost every year.
Yup.
I'll look forward to reading this after the release of 18, 19, 20. Doubt it'll reach 21.
The NHL series isnt fun to play anymore, thats what its come down to. Ea wont give us 100% control of our player. Its frustrating and a chore to play. My team used to be hardcore players, we barely play anymore and it looks like we might stop buying NHL all together.
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This kind of nonsense from a "mod" is why I dismiss anything this gentlemen posts ..........
Agree with alot of what you posted.
As for the lucky bounces and whatnot, I agree, it is hockey. **** happens all the time. Problem is, it does not FEEL like randomness in this game. It feels scripted and weak. Randomness, to me, is a shot from the point and it deflects twice before reaching the net. Or a shot deflects off a d man who is passing in front of his goalie. Or a pass that deflects off a defender and goes to the net.
When almost all poke checks and rebounds go to the opposing team, that is not randomness. The game does not feel organic at all. Game after game, it is always the same W TF moments. Every game feels the same, regardless of player classes that are selected. Goalies always making the same saves, or letting in the same goals.
The game just feels boring and predictable.
I want to quote this paragraph from Assisted because it explains it well. Why do people LOVE dark souls games? They are hard **** but they are fair. When you die, you know EXACTLY what you did wrong and you learned and you have a clear opportunity to improve yourself for the next respawn. its CONSISTENT. Most skill based games have little randomness and MUCH consistency. The skill comes from mastering these constant behaviors.
The same USED to be true with NHL. All the go to goals had solid and consistent counters. if the guys went for a crosscrease, I could stop it 100% of the time IF i tried to stop a cross crease. The game came from trying to make people think you will do something and do something else instead. At least at higher skill levels. You could debate that the same is true in nhl14_ but its not really the case. As assisted said, skating is part of the issue. You backup with the guy and get screwed over because of a small loss of control of your skater and get scored on. Yet you did all you needed from a positional hockey angle but you cant control that your guy decided to spin right instead of left to pivot or that he wont face the darn puck while keeping his 2 feets towards the net instead of spinning half way to the right or left.
Poke check is another example. You may get a clean poke and either it goes through the puck or the carrier loses it for a fraction of second and regain it immediately. You could put the body in front of the shooter and the puck go through you and score. You could be in the angle of a cross crease and the puck decide to go through your skate and stick for a clean cross crease.
These things rarely happened before but they are fairly common now.
There is 0 consistency in the game and it feels like a glorified game of heads or tails. Our team also went on crazy win streaks when we played in beta and when we played in 14. At some point I think we went 19-1 or something. Despite this, most games felt frustrating and unfun battles against teams who did not feel like they should even stand a chance but still bringing us to OT.
a little randomness is ok on say, posts and missed nets but too much just kills the game.
Even the game ejections for checking from behind were not random at all and I still dont get why they removed it as it created a layer of skill. In every single cases where a player got ejected from the game most of my team called the ejection as SOON as the hit too place and we were always right which means it was controllable and most of us knew when to hold the hit and when to hit and never got ejected while one guy in particular got ejected every other match.
But yah...no consistency now.
Yah, they should lock and delete every thread where people have an opinion that differs from yours. It must be really difficult for you to have to read each new reply from different people who disagree with you. Im sorry you have to endure that.
You kept saying 'you' like you're referring to me. Mistake me for someone who gives a sh@t bro?
30 QQ posts a day about the same thing, you're right they should lock/delete more threads than they do, I agree with you there. But if crying about game physics and coding makes people feel better than have it. All these posts have done a wonderful job shaping this game to the current state it's in.
P.S, I'm a troll. All my posts are just nonsense and sarcasm.
Lol Yeah I remember all those posts about people asking for terrible puck pickups, clunky skating and vision control and an increase in weak goals. This is definitely the game we wanted and asked for.
At the end of a night of playing this, I usually have no idea what our record is, because the angry clusterfucks just blend together and its never enjoyable, even when you win all or most of your games. Thats a pretty big sign that this game has a lot of problems.
I love hockey, I really want to like this game and enjoy it like I used to, please let me EA.
Yeah I second that!! LOL
Venom,
there are those who would dispute that having all these different types of shots going in actually made for a better representation of hockey.
If I park you in goals with no defense, chances are many of these shots will go in a lot of the time.
Do you think that NHL players not use the cross crease more often because the goalies are so good? No. Its one of the main priority of a defender to protect the goalie against a cross crease attempt. The reason most players at NHL level do not try it is because it would most likely result in a turn over but still, several times a game, you see attempts. They fail not because of saves, they fail because the pass doesnt connect or the defense blocks the play.
When you artificially stop those scoring chances with a superhuman goalie, you have little to no choice but to make the defenders weaker to compensate because otherwise the games would end 0-0 99% of the time. And then you have what we have today. A game where playing goalie is unrewarding and mostly worse than having an AI goalie. Where playing defense is unrewarding as you are nothing more than a glorified cone. And where playing offense is unrewarding creativity because whats going in will be either your 1 or 2 glitch shot or a lucky garbage goal.
Its easy to get mad at "glitch goals" and not understand that a cross crease and a wrister and a well positionned slapper is not a glitch goal. Everyone in real life go for money goals too. A human goalie back in those days could be a lot better than a AI because the AI was fairly weak. The Human could anticipate a cross crease and stop it even though it was the defense job to do so.
What we have now is a vicious circle of terrible gameplay in the sake of making the terrible players not feel so terrible.
QFT
Thats why my team stopped playing for a few years now.
We used to have fun whether we won or lost for the most part and we knew exactly what we did wrong when we did lose and what to improve on. Now? Its all a blend but for the most part, its just an exercise of frustration, win or lose. It just became not worth my time or money. Play games for fun...this game just isnt anymore.
+100
Not much to add to this, but pretty much the same story for us.
Another game I played, I wound up to take a shot, and the puck flies backwards towards are own goal. Stuff like this happens every single night, and the more cpu's on the ice the more you lose control of your skater. I can't tell you how many times I get a puck and try to turn one way, but the cpu makes my player turn in the opposite direction so I run into the AI player. It's also more the obvious to me that the game delays user input to allow the AI to react faster and counter you. What player type are these AI exactly, because they aren't bound by the skating engine and have the ability to constantly pass through defenders. So many times all 3 of our forwards will have the cpu pinned and blocked from all side, but he easily makes passes through everyone.
Same rant I have almost every year.
Yup.
I'll look forward to reading this after the release of 18, 19, 20. Doubt it'll reach 21.