Wasn't 85 or so the max we could get ours players to in the old system?
As for the new system, didnt EA state the prese lt builds are equivalent to second liners?
I think they're fine as is and definitely don't want to see them with higher overalls and with more skills. The majority of players can already play like all-stars with them (especially the over powered forwards). If anything I want to see them lessened a bit along with the settings tuned to make the games to be more realistic especially the stats.
More shots but less high scoring percentage shots to increase the goalies SV %.
A more defensive game so it doesn't seem like the end to end rushes like a lot of games are now.
More clearing/dumping the puck on the PK instead.
More of a fatigue factor so we play more conservative and worry about playing mistake free hockey compared playing all-star like games with end to end rushes.
Less goals. It's way to easy to score. It should be a challenge to get a hat trick. A lot of games now are of the "last goal scored wins" mentality.
This can be achieved with the game tuned appropriately and making the games longer. I'd rather play 1-2 longer (each 60 min) but a more realistic sim like game in a night rather than play 4-5 (each 25-30 min) shorter arcade mode like games. I just think the games would mean more if we played less of them while still playing the same amount of time as we do now.
I think the max was high 80's for forwards, and low 90's for D, depending on the year. I don't think higher attributes necessarily means a less defensive game though. I could argue that higher attributes means defenders not getting walked through because they can poke check better, intercept passes forced through the slot more often, and have better gap control, forcing teams to be more creative on offense.
Also, a 60 minute game just isn't going to fly any way you cut it. I've played a few games that lasted that long due to OT, and they're just plain boring to the point that I just want it to end so I can play a different team. I know some folks really want the full realism aspect here, but it's absolutely not going to work well as the default EASHL mode.
I simply disagree. The game style is usually based on the overall skill and talent levels of the players. The offence also usually has the advantage and wins in this game even if the D's are higher rated and/or are better human players.
Go play an offline mode vs a friend using both all-stars teams. Even with having some of the best ranked D, you'll both still play an offensive style of play. Now go play with two of the worst NHL teams and you'll both most likely play a more defensive game knowing you can't do it all on offence.
If the D had better defensive tools and abilities, yes the game would generally be more defensive and lower scoring but the offence usually still always wins out.
It's just the way EA wants their game to play.
As for longer game durations; I love OT games. I enjoy the intensity knowing that any mistake can lead to the other team scoring the game winner. In regulation time, it's really no big worry if our team makes a mistake that leads to a goal. The chances of scoring to get that goal back are very high. We can be down 3-0 going into the third and still won't worry knowing we'll eventually score and have a great chance at coming back to tie the game or win in. No lead is usually ever safe in this game.
I don't see how you can be bored of playing a certain team/players enough that you just want the game to end to play another team/players if you're currently in a good game. I've been in several great games where both sides wish the game continued even after the final horn. I'll easily take good quality games over quantity.
Do you watch a real NHL game just wishing it to be over so you can watch the next one? I don't.
That's fair for you to disagree, maybe it just comes down to how each of us chooses to play. I've found that games with higher overall players results in a game based mostly on counter-attacks because zone entries without catching players out of position are much more difficult when they can quickly close gaps and intercept passes. Not only do you need to worry about quickly turning up ice when you earn a takeaway, but you also have to play more conservative on offence so that you aren't giving up chances to your opponent countering either.
I think most teams take way too many chances right now because they know that sometimes the defender will simply not be able to make basic plays, or goalies will leave terrible rebounds in front of the net. You won't be able to stop people from doing this completely, but with higher attributes, you'd expect some folks to figure out that forcing many of these plays just won't work anymore.
An hour is simply too long for a single match of almost any online game though. Even RTS games like Starcraft 2 generally finish in closer to half an hour or so. I think the cons just outweigh any pros for having hour long games. At least half of the games have a clear winner after the ~20 minute games we have now, and forcing all of those losing teams to endure another 30 or so minutes of the other team running up the score is just going to torture them, not to mention the possibility of griefers taking penalties to make the game last even longer and things of that nature. While comebacks do happen on occasion, they're really not common enough to justify extending every game.
When a game goes to triple OT or longer, it's generally because either the goalies are making saves they shouldn't be (which is bad), or because one team (or both) is playing extremely conservatively like the 90's Devils (which is boring). I shouldn't be able to complete a real life game of hockey faster than I can in a video game either. How I watch a game in real life has nothing to do with this subject.
Well I think defense first and prefer to play mistake free hockey and then wait to capitalize on the opponents mistakes rather than trading scoring chances which obviously the majority of players like to play. Especially forwards that don't care if their teams allows 5 goals as long as they score 6. As a forward I'll take a 3-0 win with only a point over a 8-5 win where I get 6 points.
I think longer games would allow the skill gap to show itself more. With then game lengths currently, lesser players can keep the score tighter but in longer games eventually the more skilled players will widen the gap.
A real NHL game approximately takes 1 hour and 40 mins to play 60 minutes. I've never played an EASHL game that took an 1 hour and 40 minutes to play nor am I requesting that.
I'd just rather play EASHL games that are on full sim with say 6 minute periods instead of the current 4 minute periods. If I'm going to spend 2 hours online playing then I'd rather play 1-2 games than 3-4. I think the games would have more meaning and including our stats. I'd rather be one of a very few amount of players that for example get 500 goals, 1000 points etc than being one of the huge amount of players that gets 1000 goals, 5000 points etc. Same goes for badges. The more people that achieve P3/50 the more it takes away the meaning from me already doing so.
I think with the proper tuners and settings more sim like and the games longer, I would simply enjoy the games a lot more and they would have more meaning.
Ilya and I don't agree on much,but he is spot on here. 4 min periods (and they are set to this FOR THIS REASON...) mean that less skilled players can win simply by holding on. 6 or in my opinion 7 min periods better simulate a full length game in this game design. You approach more realistic shot totals for sure. While I imagine the game wouldn't work if it was averaging 5 goals a game or less total like most NHL games (there is a reason Vegas sets the line for almost every NHL game at 4.5 goals) 6 or 7 is fine and still more realistic and makes achievements much more meaningful. It's one of the reasons I avoid online play most of the time. It doesn't feel like hockey. I'd rather play 2 great or even solid games than five 8-6 games.
You can still be a superstar with the current player classes, you just have to be good, and play with good teammates.
Does it not feel good to make a good play with an average build ? It's pretty hard for you huh? Keep grinding.
As usual, turning to personal insults on the forum instead of actually talking about the topic. Good stuff, friend.
If you want to do 6 v 6 and feel like a superstar, go to otp pick the all Star teams, Canada, USA, Russia, Sweden ... Some pretty stacked teams there.
This and also yesterday I joined a friends new club that he created and it was so refreshing to play in a standard rink, with no spectators, no announcers/commentary, while playing in basic uniforms. I wish EASHL drop ins were the same.
To each their own I guess. I just don't share your line of thinking, and I imagine the majority of gamers would agree (though neither of us has any real way of proving this). I don't see the Steve Ott and Brooks Laich posters flying off the shelf because the kids want to be just like them, so why would the game mode where I make my own player should that be the best I can aspire to be?
Pretending you're a superstar is like the whole point of playing a video game, so why wouldn't that be what EASHL aims for?
I don't know anyone of my friends that plays EASHL to "pretend" they're a "superstar". I would say the majority play it to NOT to use a real NHL superstar. If they wanted to pretend, make and play with a superstar player they'd go play the other non EASHL modes. So no, the whole point of playing video games isn't to pretend you're a superstar. It's to play a sport you enjoy first and foremost.
Dude, you're playing a video game. You're definitely pretending something.
No I'm not and definitely not as an NHL player/superstar because I'm not a little kid.
Do you pretend you're the actual car or whatever it is when playing Rocket League?
Maybe you can humor me for a moment then, and tell me why you play games at all. Clearly you find them fun/enjoyable, but why is that? I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game, but at some level you're playing this game to make up for something you can't do in real life.
I've played this series since 91 simply because I like playing video game hockey. The most recent years have also been because I enjoy playing with friends.
I'm not playing it to try and compensate for something I can't do in real life because if I wanted to play hockey in real life then I could and would.
Right, but why do you like playing video game hockey? Obviously you like it, but that's like saying you like a meal because it tastes good. What about the game do you like?
I like playing it because of the majority of the aspects of the game of hockey. Simply put for the "love of the game".
If you want more specifics (in no particular order):
Passing/setting up teammates.
Scoring goals.
Shutting down opposing players defensively.
Creating turnovers/intercepting passes.
Laying out opposing players with huge hits.
All aspects of playing goalie.
Team play.
The Competitiveness.
Winning.
If you mean why do I play "video" game hockey then it's simply because it's convenient.
If you mean specifically this NHL series then it's because of its EASHL mode. Otherwise, I don't have any other reason other than it being the only hockey game and I've been playing it since its inception.
I DO NOT play video game hockey because I want to role play/pretend I am myself or a specific player in the NHL or any other league (including EASHL which I don't consider a league anyway). That is one of two reasons why I don't play any other mode besides EASHL. The other reason is because I don't enjoy playing with and against the AI. Furthermore, I simply consider EASHL a "community" where I can play with or against other humans and not to roleplay/pretend (although some might/do).
That should answer your question.
Bro, you're pretending you're playing hockey unless your answer to that question was "I like to press buttons on the controller while watching the stuff on the screen move." It's not the same sort of pretending that a child would do, but you pretty much prove that you're doing it with your own comments. You love real hockey, but it isn't convenient enough for you to play all the time, so you play EASHL instead because it allows you to experience the same sorts of feelings that you would if you were playing it in real life (all the specifics you mention).
It's not something to be ashamed about. TV, movies, books, games, plays, and probably a few other forms of media rely on audiences that connect with the material and treat it as if it were real at some level. This is way off-topic right now, but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game.
You love real hockey, but it isn't convenient enough for you to play all the time, so you play EASHL instead because it allows you to experience the same sorts of feelings that you would if you were playing it in real life (all the specifics you mention).
It's not something to be ashamed about. TV, movies, books, games, plays, and probably a few other forms of media rely on audiences that connect with the material and treat it as if it were real at some level. This is way off-topic right now, but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game.
Well said.
Thanks, I was starting to think I might be crazy. That suspension of disbelief where you connect with it and almost treat it as if it were real is actually critical to any game's success. People don't like games (or any form of media) they can't connect with.
I guess it sort of does apply to the topic too. When my character lets a pass go through their stick when I knew it was coming, or makes a wonky pivot that I didn't want to do, it pulls me out of that connection with the game because I don't feel in control. I do really wonder if having much higher ratings for players would help me feel more in control though.
I just think EA should try tuning EASHL in various crazy ways without telling us what exactly they're changing, and then getting the feedback. Maybe take a month and boost all offensive stats by 5-10 points for a week, then switch to boosting defensive stats, then maybe do both, and then maybe a week where everything is reduced below where we are now by 5-10 points. I think it could really revitalize the game and get my club back into the game to see how things go. At the very least, it proves that EA sees there's a problem and is trying to fix it.
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I knew it.
I know the difference between what's real and what's not, so I act and think accordingly.
You obviously don't understand that.
And you obviously don't understand the difference between pretending you're playing hockey and believing you're playing hockey. For some reason you think I'm trying to play mind games or something with you, but I'm simply explaining the psychological reasons why people enjoy games and other sources of media. This isn't really up for debate either. You might as well try to argue that orange juice is actually black.
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I knew it.
I know the difference between what's real and what's not, so I act and think accordingly.
You obviously don't understand that.
And you obviously don't understand the difference between pretending you're playing hockey and believing you're playing hockey. For some reason you think I'm trying to play mind games or something with you, but I'm simply explaining the psychological reasons why people enjoy games and other sources of media. This isn't really up for debate either. You might as well try to argue that orange juice is actually black.
I know the difference very well.
I know when I believe I'm playing video game hockey and when I believe I'm playing real hockey.
You can explain all you want the psychological reasons why some people enjoy video games and other sources of media/entertainment. Those reasons simply don't apply to myself.
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I knew it.
I know the difference between what's real and what's not, so I act and think accordingly.
You obviously don't understand that.
And you obviously don't understand the difference between pretending you're playing hockey and believing you're playing hockey. For some reason you think I'm trying to play mind games or something with you, but I'm simply explaining the psychological reasons why people enjoy games and other sources of media. This isn't really up for debate either. You might as well try to argue that orange juice is actually black.
I know the difference very well.
I know when I believe I'm playing video game hockey and when I believe I'm playing real hockey.
You can explain all you want the psychological reasons why some people enjoy video games and other sources of media/entertainment. Those reasons simply don't apply to myself.
Now go home and get your shine box.
Holy ******** shiyet. Both of you can admit defeat and move on ****. It is irrelevant who wins the gold medal in the Special Olympics as every participant shares a common denominator.
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I knew it.
I know the difference between what's real and what's not, so I act and think accordingly.
You obviously don't understand that.
And you obviously don't understand the difference between pretending you're playing hockey and believing you're playing hockey. For some reason you think I'm trying to play mind games or something with you, but I'm simply explaining the psychological reasons why people enjoy games and other sources of media. This isn't really up for debate either. You might as well try to argue that orange juice is actually black.
I know the difference very well.
I know when I believe I'm playing video game hockey and when I believe I'm playing real hockey.
You can explain all you want the psychological reasons why some people enjoy video games and other sources of media/entertainment. Those reasons simply don't apply to myself.
Now go home and get your shine box.
Holy ******** shiyet. Both of you can admit defeat and move on ****. It is irrelevant who wins the gold medal in the Special Olympics as every participant shares a common denominator.
i liked my jerry springer pic with the lady in the background.
I think player strengths should be more apparent also, I was using the dangler the other day just to switch it up as I usually pick grinder, and I don't see hardly any difference between their deking ability; when using the dangler I was still losing control trying to pull off simple dekes like toe drags.
I was still not regaining possession with the between the legs deke even when the puck would be perfectly aimed in front by his stick, the spin deke I was also not able to pull off without losing the puck. So at the very least it seems the dangler is hardly any different from the grinder in terms of deking ability and hes much easier to knock off the puck as well, so this makes the dangler useless in my opinion.
If thats an issue it certainly isnt due to a lack of the deking attribute.
So the deking attribute has nothing to do with the ability to successfully pull off dekes?.... you must of read what I wrote wrong, because this makes zero sense.
I simply play it because I enjoy it, not to achieve certain feelings.
You've said the following:
"I'm not trying to say you believe that you're actually playing hockey when you play this game".
"but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game".
So which is it?
Spin this discussion anyway you want but continuing discussing this with you is futile.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
I knew it.
I know the difference between what's real and what's not, so I act and think accordingly.
You obviously don't understand that.
And you obviously don't understand the difference between pretending you're playing hockey and believing you're playing hockey. For some reason you think I'm trying to play mind games or something with you, but I'm simply explaining the psychological reasons why people enjoy games and other sources of media. This isn't really up for debate either. You might as well try to argue that orange juice is actually black.
I know the difference very well.
I know when I believe I'm playing video game hockey and when I believe I'm playing real hockey.
You can explain all you want the psychological reasons why some people enjoy video games and other sources of media/entertainment. Those reasons simply don't apply to myself.
Now go home and get your shine box.
Holy ******** shiyet. Both of you can admit defeat and move on ****. It is irrelevant who wins the gold medal in the Special Olympics as every participant shares a common denominator.
When I was talking about your "vision of EASHL" I was saying I like how it is now. I like that everyone does not have superstar attributes, it now requires more on your hockey sense and brain to thumb response more than it did when everyone was max level 3 in the attribute days.
Therefore I said I don't like "your vision of how the EASHL should be"
When I was talking about your "vision of EASHL" I was saying I like how it is now. I like that everyone does not have superstar attributes, it now requires more on your hockey sense and brain to thumb response more than it did when everyone was max level 3 in the attribute days.
Therefore I said I don't like "your vision of how the EASHL should be"
How do you know the presets aren't old legend 3 level... points wise
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Ilya and I don't agree on much,but he is spot on here. 4 min periods (and they are set to this FOR THIS REASON...) mean that less skilled players can win simply by holding on. 6 or in my opinion 7 min periods better simulate a full length game in this game design. You approach more realistic shot totals for sure. While I imagine the game wouldn't work if it was averaging 5 goals a game or less total like most NHL games (there is a reason Vegas sets the line for almost every NHL game at 4.5 goals) 6 or 7 is fine and still more realistic and makes achievements much more meaningful. It's one of the reasons I avoid online play most of the time. It doesn't feel like hockey. I'd rather play 2 great or even solid games than five 8-6 games.
Bro, you're pretending you're playing hockey unless your answer to that question was "I like to press buttons on the controller while watching the stuff on the screen move." It's not the same sort of pretending that a child would do, but you pretty much prove that you're doing it with your own comments. You love real hockey, but it isn't convenient enough for you to play all the time, so you play EASHL instead because it allows you to experience the same sorts of feelings that you would if you were playing it in real life (all the specifics you mention).
It's not something to be ashamed about. TV, movies, books, games, plays, and probably a few other forms of media rely on audiences that connect with the material and treat it as if it were real at some level. This is way off-topic right now, but whether you want to admit it or not, you're pretending that you're playing hockey when you play this game.
Thanks, I was starting to think I might be crazy. That suspension of disbelief where you connect with it and almost treat it as if it were real is actually critical to any game's success. People don't like games (or any form of media) they can't connect with.
I guess it sort of does apply to the topic too. When my character lets a pass go through their stick when I knew it was coming, or makes a wonky pivot that I didn't want to do, it pulls me out of that connection with the game because I don't feel in control. I do really wonder if having much higher ratings for players would help me feel more in control though.
I just think EA should try tuning EASHL in various crazy ways without telling us what exactly they're changing, and then getting the feedback. Maybe take a month and boost all offensive stats by 5-10 points for a week, then switch to boosting defensive stats, then maybe do both, and then maybe a week where everything is reduced below where we are now by 5-10 points. I think it could really revitalize the game and get my club back into the game to see how things go. At the very least, it proves that EA sees there's a problem and is trying to fix it.
What's the vision?
help me out here.
It's just HandsomeCatf1sh's idea of what he think's EA's vision is. It's not a real thing, just his opinion.
That was my guess. I just assumed his vision was to continue to narrow the audience and sell less copies of the game.
Believing and pretending are actually quite different things. Enjoyment is also a feeling. I'm not spinning anything you say, you just don't understand the psychology behind video games and other forms of media. I've tried to explain this, but you seem to have no interest in learning about it, and that's perfectly fine. I hope you have a nice day!
Holy ******** shiyet. Both of you can admit defeat and move on ****. It is irrelevant who wins the gold medal in the Special Olympics as every participant shares a common denominator.
i liked my jerry springer pic with the lady in the background.
So the deking attribute has nothing to do with the ability to successfully pull off dekes?.... you must of read what I wrote wrong, because this makes zero sense.
But I'm having fun!
Therefore I said I don't like "your vision of how the EASHL should be"
How do you know the presets aren't old legend 3 level... points wise