New Features mean nothing good.

kitchener_boy

Nothing said about servers.
Nothing said about fixing anything
It's just ADD this and ADD that!..thatsit!
Also I would like to dig deeper into the issues I have with this game!..NHL 18 as past games should have been strictly SIM! not hardcore or casual levels..SIM as any good Sports game should be!. If newbs want a easy Hockey game to play? then they should go play NES HOCKEY! EA NHL sahould only have ONE LEVEL...TRUE SIM! Why fool around for newbies? Make the effort to make the NHL series as real as it can be and should be by now!.

B_Bunny

Yeah, i hate new features. Lets make a game just for kitchener_boy.

RedBull1973JL

He's got a point about fixing existing problems. That SHOULD be the number one priority before they try to add anything else.

BoboFloggins

This just isn't how free market capitalism works.... if you want to stay in business.

They have to make a game that sells to more than the hardcore few.

Now, fixing core issues... sure.

joefitz22

RedBull1973JL wrote: »

He's got a point about fixing existing problems. That SHOULD be the number one priority before they try to add anything else.

HARUMPF!!!

TheNitwitable7

The answer here seems pretty simple guys. If they aren't going to develop the game adding features that US, the community wants, we should not buy the game. Period. If they're going to continually do this, let the series die. I'm definitely not buying NHL 18 unless I see some great improvements.

If the series dies, hopefully another dev team that actually cares about the game of hockey will make the game.

DSANT21

djneohockey wrote: »

BoboFloggins wrote: »

This just isn't how free market capitalism works.... if you want to stay in business.

They have to make a game that sells to more than the hardcore few.

Now, fixing core issues... sure.

Yeah, so that's their mantra every year basically. And the game is not growing enough, they say.

So maybe time for a different thinking?

So what about try to make a game for the mature person? You know smart people with money and hockey memories etc.
Take them back to their childhood with your game with the classic rosters, gears, arenas, whole seasons from the past.. Let them play those seasons online with their settings/sliders etc. Let them create their rosters and share them with others.

You've got whole hockey history to sell in your videogame to so many different generations of potential customers.. and you chose 3 on 3 "minigame" with crazy goals and over the top hits?

I know, too late.

Wait so this 3in3 mode is going to play differently than the core experience?

djneohockey

It's obvious from that "leaked" document, no?

AliceRabbit1101

djneohockey wrote: »

BoboFloggins wrote: »

This just isn't how free market capitalism works.... if you want to stay in business.

They have to make a game that sells to more than the hardcore few.

Now, fixing core issues... sure.

Yeah, so that's their mantra every year basically. And the game is not growing enough, they say.

So maybe time for a different thinking?

So what about try to make a game for the mature person? You know smart people with money and hockey memories etc.
Take them back to their childhood with your game with the classic rosters, gears, arenas, whole seasons from the past.. Let them play those seasons online with their settings/sliders etc. Let them create their rosters and share them with others.

You've got whole hockey history to sell in your videogame to so many different generations of potential customers.. and you chose 3 on 3 "minigame" with crazy goals and over the top hits?

I know, too late.

Very well said
The fact they ignore the generation that made their sales in the beginning
Console after Console ...addition after addition
And if it's about the money...then cater to who has the money . Not people who live with mommy and daddy. Adults who earn their time and money .. have legit and realistic point of view and expectations .
I have to admit I like the sound of the defense stick and new passing play
I really like the sound of 31/32 team expansion in Franchise

The classic rosters...teams...arenas...are Imo the biggest money maker they are ignoring

I personally would like to see the classic players arenas and coaches come to franchise and hut

I don't understand why online/offline have to be segregated. Why doesn't a player earn hut points offline and online
Why can't legend players be added to offline rosters...Even a Legends/Retired list similar like Free Agents

The one that grinds my gears is Montreal had a centennial package and Toronto didn't
And the rumors is the NHLPA are separate from NHL ALUMNI
Which is Different from MLB NBA and NFL associations

The contradicting information is in the CBA for the NHL that can easily be found on Google says the NHLPA does represent NHL ALUMNI
And the Rights and Likeness licensing involves all. The proceeds of profits and revenue are distributed to both active and retired NHLPA association
So basically make offline rosters DLC instead of HUT and pay accordingly.

This **** is similar to their new player missing from rosters until they play one shift of hockey lol
Once a non NHLPA (free agent/unsigned Draft pick/overage college/European transfer) officially signs his contract...He automatically is registered to NHLPA as well as the rights and likenesses are available.

They're keeping their cards close and they think it's working because we don't atop buying the game and they in turn don't pay royalties

I truly wonder what kind of cut Joe sakic Patrick Roy Steve yzerman and other legend HUT receieved when EASPORTS sold the consumer

BodyBags0000

djneohockey wrote: »

Yeah, so that's their mantra every year basically. And the game is not growing enough, they say.

So maybe time for a different thinking?

So what about try to make a game for the mature person? You know smart people with money and hockey memories etc.
Take them back to their childhood with your game with the classic rosters, gears, arenas, whole seasons from the past.. Let them play those seasons online with their settings/sliders etc. Let them create their rosters and share them with others.

You've got whole hockey history to sell in your videogame to so many different generations of potential customers

I know, too late.

They are missing huge potential with constantly ignoring the small aspects of a good sports game. When I saw the catalogue of historic teams in NBA2K I instantly thought that why this isn't in NHL. Hasn't the excuse for historic teams been licensing issues?

One thing that annoys the crap out me is that EA is basically flipping the bird to the whole European market for the game by not giving a **** about the European leagues. For some reason they can't add the European leagues into Franchise Mode and BAP and in 17 you can't even replace NHL teams with European teams, they didn't include European jersey designs or logos in the team creator so I could use them in EASHL and I guess they check the rosters from wikipedia every year and don't even touch the attributes.

The game is so bare bones atm, it lacks customisation, depth, replay value, nuence, personality, reliability and feels like it's being held together by a piece of duct tape.

megadeth_600

djneohockey wrote: »

BoboFloggins wrote: »

This just isn't how free market capitalism works.... if you want to stay in business.

They have to make a game that sells to more than the hardcore few.

Now, fixing core issues... sure.

Yeah, so that's their mantra every year basically. And the game is not growing enough, they say.
So maybe time for a different thinking?

So what about try to make a game for the mature person? You know smart people with money and hockey memories etc.
Take them back to their childhood with your game with the classic rosters, gears, arenas, whole seasons from the past.. Let them play those seasons online with their settings/sliders etc. Let them create their rosters and share them with others.

You've got whole hockey history to sell in your videogame to so many different generations of potential customers

I know, too late.

BANG!! Nailed it!!!

So, the game doesn't grow enough year to year, but here's the kicker: EA just keeps doing the exact same thing year for year. Wow. What a coincidence! Keep doing the same thing, and the results don't change.... Wow, who would have guessed?

I have said it many times. Each game mode has to feel like its separate entity. When playing EASHL, it should be and feel like a completely different mode than HUT or Vs. There is nothing that really makes you feel like you are playing in a different league. Club customization is a great start, but the gameplay itself, with all the pointless replays and highlights just makes it feel like Be a Pro. There is also not really any difference between club and drool-ins. (Oops, meant drop-ins). Maybe allow dropins to be as they are, but club should be a step up on the realism.

Just all in all, the game does not feel at all like it excels in any department. it does not have a strong or definitive mode. It tries to be anything and everything at the same time.

Maybe this 3 on 3 junk is what the series needs, if played right. Have all that over the top fantasy junk in there while allowing other modes, or at least, EASHL to be more realistic and less dangle fest. There should, and must be, imo, a mode for the Little Timmy's that have to be one man shows, and a mode for those that are looking for more of a true sim. Only sim to be found is offline with sliders..... Yea, stale as can be...

B_Bunny

Juppo1996 wrote: »

djneohockey wrote: »

Yeah, so that's their mantra every year basically. And the game is not growing enough, they say.

So maybe time for a different thinking?

So what about try to make a game for the mature person? You know smart people with money and hockey memories etc.
Take them back to their childhood with your game with the classic rosters, gears, arenas, whole seasons from the past.. Let them play those seasons online with their settings/sliders etc. Let them create their rosters and share them with others.

You've got whole hockey history to sell in your videogame to so many different generations of potential customers.. and you chose 3 on 3 "minigame" with crazy goals and over the top hits?

I know, too late.

They are missing huge potential with constantly ignoring the small aspects of a good sports game. When I saw the catalogue of historic teams in NBA2K I instantly thought that why this isn't in NHL. Hasn't the excuse for historic teams been licensing issues?

One thing that annoys the crap out me is that EA is basically flipping the bird to the whole European market for the game by not giving a **** about the European leagues. For some reason they can't add the European leagues into Franchise Mode and BAP and in 17 you can't even replace NHL teams with European teams, they didn't include European jersey designs or logos in the team creator so I could use them in EASHL and I guess they check the rosters from wikipedia every year and don't even touch the attributes.

The game is so bare bones atm, it lacks customisation, depth, replay value, nuence, personality, reliability and feels like it's being held together by a piece of duct tape.

Yeah, from what I understand the way the nhlpa is set up allows each player to retain their own rights after retirement - rather than the league keeping it for life or X years. So like in NBA, if theyre structured to keep your name, accomplishments, ability to use your likeness forever, even after you retire; they can put you and all your teams and teammates in any game they want. If EA wants to put a retired NBA player in the game, its all up to the league. If EA wants to put a retired NHL player in the game, they need to hunt down that retired player or estate if theyre deceased(now youre dealing with multiple people for 1 persons likeness), and work out an agreement. That becomes a bit of a daunting task when its a whole team you want to include. And then since you arent getting them for free from the league, that money comes out of the projects budget. So because of the way the nhlpa is structured for retired players, its much more difficult to get them in than say Madden or NBA. Thats how I understand the issue.

Sinbin

You guys are acting like everything has been announced. There are always a bunch of fixes and tuning that go in. That's not the point of the survey so it's not mentioned. Give it time and see what else is changing before writing the whole thing off as arcade. Besides, most people can't handle how sim the game is now. You'd all rather complain about TPS than learn how to use it.

jmwalsh8888

Actually there's rarely any fixes on gameplay issues from year to year. That's one of the reasons there's so many complaints.

I would say each year if there is 25 "issues"introduced,. Maybe 3-5 will be fixed throughout the year and maybe another 3-5 fixed on next year's release. But the cycle of new issues starts over. Over time many of these issues just turn into headaches you just expect as part of playing the game.

Wonder how many years we will deal with players getting stuck in animation.

Oh well just a reality you have to accept if you want to play a modern nhl video game

sgiz1

"Yeah, i hate new features. Lets make a game just for kitchener_boy. "

Moderators don't need to be EA fan boys, not a very respectful response by you.

He brings up legit issues, none of the problems with the game are being addressed for NHL 18, that is a serious problem!!!!! And for bringing up legit issues you want to dog him? Awesome!

Servers suck
Net code sucks
TPS sucks
Vision control sucks
Animation overload sucks

but by all means, lets add goalie fights and more authentic jerseys, that's what this game needs, gheesh!

Sgt_Kelso

Even if they did fix anything for next year, they wouldn't advertise that as game highlights next year. It's new features that sell the game each year, not something like 'oh yeah, online experience sucked boocoo last year(s), but we fixed it (or at least made it a little less sucky) honest squire!'. It's plain bad advertising admitting something was/is wrong with the product to begin with, right?

Another thing would be to tell about fixed things on this forum for example... but EA doesn't do much of that, let alone fix things do they? I am sure issues are added to the ever growing list (the list, THE LIST!), but that's about it.

jmwalsh8888

obviously selling a game that is nothing but fixes, even though that is exactly what many of us want, would never work. not only do people want to see "what's new" in marketing, but releasing a game that is nothing but fixes would not only publicly acknowledge all of those issues but also look really bad when they charge full price for what is essentially a patch to fix the game they sold the years before at full price.

so it will never happen.

B_Bunny

sgiz1 wrote: »

"Yeah, i hate new features. Lets make a game just for kitchener_boy. "

Moderators don't need to be EA fan boys, not a very respectful response by you.

He brings up legit issues, none of the problems with the game are being addressed for NHL 18, that is a serious problem!!!!! And for bringing up legit issues you want to dog him? Awesome!

Servers suck
Net code ****
TPS ****
Vision control ****
Animation overload ****

but by all means, lets add goalie fights and more authentic jerseys, that's what this game needs, gheesh!

You dont know anything about 18 except an excerpt from a survey lol. Whos being the fanboy now?

sgiz1

"You dont know anything about 18 except an excerpt from a survey lol. Whos being the fanboy now? "

Fan boys defend EA, in which I do not do.

mhandymanb

SaveUs2K wrote: »

If DJNeo is impressed with the defensive skill stick, then I am genuinely excited for it. The 3 on 3 mode sounds like a blast to me. Maybe LG can just switch to that rather than watch 12 U8 caliber players smash into each other like bumper cars on an industrial sized air hockey table.

I'm digging the new features. It's easier when you've already lost hope in this game accurately replicating any aspect of the sport

3 on 3 makes it worst in my opinion. That definitely isn't hockey and isn't a mode I'll even play once.