technically it wasn't a bad poke, but the physics of the game didn't even move the oppositions stick. There is much wrong with this game and the goals are just terrible. I know that there are bad goals in the NHL but come on man! Let me hold my stick out and when you stick lift it is a slashing or hooking or whatever penalty. It does get old after awhile. I went down 6000 in rank over a three game losing streak in competitive seasons. I can't even imagine how in the F that happened! ****?
At this point in time, one should be aware that a stick isn't going to 'physically move' another stick (unless you use stick lift). This is a video game, not real life. You can't go into replay mode with your magnifying glass and try to justify a mistake like we see in the OP by saying, 'in the real world that would have worked, this game is trash, **** you ea.'
Therefore, using the excuse of, 'in the real world that was a good play and he should have never got past me and scored..' is asinine.
That's why I always say to take accountability for your mistakes, start blaming yourself. You are the one controlling your player, it's your fault if you try a home run poke check as the last man back and miss.
Sure there are some things that are out of our control or make it harder to make the correct play (RNG, lag, etc.) But again, if you could loop this play inch for inch over and over again except you had free control over that defenseman, there would be multiple ways you could control him to make a successful play. It then becomes fact that it is your fault, not the games, when you control your player in such a way that you made an unsuccessful play, eh bud?
Can someone explain how the passing works on this Game? I have been playing this game all my life, and I'm 44, so since Sega and 94 I have always played hockey games, and this one just has me wanting to hang up the skates. I have spent hundreds on players, hundreds of hours of practice, and I still can't keep passes from going directly to the opposition, which leads to being scored on and the game taking over and just making it ridiculously difficult to come back. I also can't seem to pick off the puck anymore, but let me get the puck for one second and it's in the other players pocket. I realize there must be something I'm doing wrong there, but there is no excuse for the passing, I just can't for the life of me figure out what is going on there?
Turn off Pass Aim Assist. It's in the Customize Options, Controller Setting. It's set to 100% pass aim assist by default, I would recommend you try 50% or 30%. I myself have had it at 10% all year and I rarely have problems with passes not going where I aim them.
Thank you sir, I will try that, he'll I will try anything at this point. I did turn it down to 70 as someone else had suggested, but that didn't work.
I found that even at 50%, the game still had too much control over where I was aiming my passes. 25% started to make things better for me but I went down to 10% shortly thereafter and I've never looked back. BTW, I'm 44 as well, so I feel ya buddy!
I'll be 44 in less than a month myself. I have to ask...how the *%$# do you maintain patience at your age with this game? I have a few bad lag days in a row and I'm ready to throw the damn console out the window and break the modem.
Lol. Everyone should go back to the first page scroll down a little bit and pause the video at the 1 or 2 second mark
What do you see when you do that ? You see only 1 defender back and if the winger knew ANYTHING about hockey , HE would have known hes got a clear 2 on 1 with nothing but open ice .
What does the goof with the puck do with the obvious 2 on 1 and nothing but open ice ? He skates right next to and into the path of his TEAMATE rendering him absolutely useless and completely taking him out of the play.
what else does he do ? Despite having nothing but open ice HE takes the path that LEADS RIGHT INTO THE DMAN.
2 HUGE just beyond comprehension mistakes and I already mentioned the 3rd mistake earlier in this thread of him RELYING ON THIS GAME TO BAIL HIM OUT because he makes ABSOLUTELY ZERO attempt to protect the puck and just skates as if there wasnt a DMAN right in front of his face.
Anyone who puts blame on the defender on this play and calls out the defender when the winger has made mistake after stupid mistake after stupid mistake is an idiot . thats just the truth.
Dont try and argue with them , it will be futile. They have declared themselves as idiots . just remember their forum name and ignore them
Can someone explain how the passing works on this Game? I have been playing this game all my life, and I'm 44, so since Sega and 94 I have always played hockey games, and this one just has me wanting to hang up the skates. I have spent hundreds on players, hundreds of hours of practice, and I still can't keep passes from going directly to the opposition, which leads to being scored on and the game taking over and just making it ridiculously difficult to come back. I also can't seem to pick off the puck anymore, but let me get the puck for one second and it's in the other players pocket. I realize there must be something I'm doing wrong there, but there is no excuse for the passing, I just can't for the life of me figure out what is going on there?
Turn off Pass Aim Assist. It's in the Customize Options, Controller Setting. It's set to 100% pass aim assist by default, I would recommend you try 50% or 30%. I myself have had it at 10% all year and I rarely have problems with passes not going where I aim them.
Thank you sir, I will try that, he'll I will try anything at this point. I did turn it down to 70 as someone else had suggested, but that didn't work.
I found that even at 50%, the game still had too much control over where I was aiming my passes. 25% started to make things better for me but I went down to 10% shortly thereafter and I've never looked back. BTW, I'm 44 as well, so I feel ya buddy!
I'll be 44 in less than a month myself. I have to ask...how the *%$# do you maintain patience at your age with this game? I have a few bad lag days in a row and I'm ready to throw the **** console out the window and break the modem.
I don't...
I yell at my screen all the time when I play this game. But I know going in what I'm getting into when I boot up my console and fire up this software. I know that, even though good people like Ben ( @NHLDev ) try to put in as much "hockey" as they possibly can, this game plays nearly NOTHING like the sport I love. In real hockey, hard work is rewarded. Are there lucky goals and random stuff that happens in a real hockey game? Sure, but a team that relies on "randomness" or "luck" to win games won't get very far.
NHL 17 rewards random and luck far too often. Again, not saying randomness or luck NEVER happen in real life. But they lead to success at a ridiculously high rate in this game. Attacker skates into the zone and lobs a muffin on net even though the goalie comes out to challenge and covers his angles? Goal. Defense brakes up the play successfully with a nice poke check to push the puck away? Puck goes onto opponent's stick anyways. Goal. Lay out a guy at the blue line to take away the puck? He'll get up immediately and grab the puck while YOU are still in "recovery" animation. Goal. It's the same thing over and over again.
The other thing I do is when I feel like the game is being "unfair" I just turn the console off or I play something else.
But I love hockey and EA NHL series is all we have. There is a good game underneath all the sludge. You just have to really dig to find the little pieces of gold within...
Can someone explain how the passing works on this Game? I have been playing this game all my life, and I'm 44, so since Sega and 94 I have always played hockey games, and this one just has me wanting to hang up the skates. I have spent hundreds on players, hundreds of hours of practice, and I still can't keep passes from going directly to the opposition, which leads to being scored on and the game taking over and just making it ridiculously difficult to come back. I also can't seem to pick off the puck anymore, but let me get the puck for one second and it's in the other players pocket. I realize there must be something I'm doing wrong there, but there is no excuse for the passing, I just can't for the life of me figure out what is going on there?
Turn off Pass Aim Assist. It's in the Customize Options, Controller Setting. It's set to 100% pass aim assist by default, I would recommend you try 50% or 30%. I myself have had it at 10% all year and I rarely have problems with passes not going where I aim them.
Thank you sir, I will try that, he'll I will try anything at this point. I did turn it down to 70 as someone else had suggested, but that didn't work.
I found that even at 50%, the game still had too much control over where I was aiming my passes. 25% started to make things better for me but I went down to 10% shortly thereafter and I've never looked back. BTW, I'm 44 as well, so I feel ya buddy!
I'll be 44 in less than a month myself. I have to ask...how the *%$# do you maintain patience at your age with this game? I have a few bad lag days in a row and I'm ready to throw the **** console out the window and break the modem.
I don't...
I yell at my screen all the time when I play this game. But I know going in what I'm getting into when I boot up my console and fire up this software. I know that, even though good people like Ben ( @NHLDev ) try to put in as much "hockey" as they possibly can, this game plays nearly NOTHING like the sport I love. In real hockey, hard work is rewarded. Are there lucky goals and random stuff that happens in a real hockey game? Sure, but a team that relies on "randomness" or "luck" to win games won't get very far.
NHL 17 rewards random and luck far too often. Again, not saying randomness or luck NEVER happen in real life. But they lead to success at a ridiculously high rate in this game. Attacker skates into the zone and lobs a muffin on net even though the goalie comes out to challenge and covers his angles? Goal. Defense brakes up the play successfully with a nice poke check to push the puck away? Puck goes onto opponent's stick anyways. Goal. Lay out a guy at the blue line to take away the puck? He'll get up immediately and grab the puck while YOU are still in "recovery" animation. Goal. It's the same thing over and over again.
The other thing I do is when I feel like the game is being "unfair" I just turn the console off or I play something else.
But I love hockey and EA NHL series is all we have. There is a good game underneath all the sludge. You just have to really dig to find the little pieces of gold within...
I agree basically on every word you just said here, even the part about there being a good game under the sludge. Fact is a top company like EA owes us a better experience than what they are giving us right now. They charge full price for the game for over half the year (I think it's 40 right now) and sell those HUT packs like they are going out of style. I know they have pockets to pad and palms to grease. You would think that FIFA is their cash cow by a LONG SHOT, and it would make sense to me if they would use some of that earnings to help NHL live a better life rather than it being the red-headed step-child year after year.
I'm shocked I'm coming into a thread to defend Cogs, and disappointed that nobody has mentioned that EA's vision control is really the root of what's going on here. That play looks exactly like what happens when I'm gliding back while holding L2, and try to shift a few feet to the right. Instead of doing one or two crossovers, the defender treats that as if I want to back skate in the direction of the LS, and makes it almost impossible to correct that and get back over to the left.
You can't maintain your gap in this scenario, because you either lose all backwards momentum like this, or you have to give the forward that extra freedom to go back and forth and hope you can get stay in the shooting lane long enough for a back checker to take the puck from him. This sort of defending is easy to do in real life, but the skating engine makes it a far more complicated task.
Lol. Everyone should go back to the first page scroll down a little bit and pause the video at the 1 or 2 second mark
What do you see when you do that ? You see only 1 defender back and if the winger knew ANYTHING about hockey , HE would have known hes got a clear 2 on 1 with nothing but open ice .
What does the goof with the puck do with the obvious 2 on 1 and nothing but open ice ? He skates right next to and into the path of his TEAMATE rendering him absolutely useless and completely taking him out of the play.
what else does he do ? Despite having nothing but open ice HE takes the path that LEADS RIGHT INTO THE DMAN.
2 HUGE just beyond comprehension mistakes and I already mentioned the 3rd mistake earlier in this thread of him RELYING ON THIS GAME TO BAIL HIM OUT because he makes ABSOLUTELY ZERO attempt to protect the puck and just skates as if there wasnt a DMAN right in front of his face.
Anyone who puts blame on the defender on this play and calls out the defender when the winger has made mistake after stupid mistake after stupid mistake is an **** . thats just the truth.
Dont try and argue with them , it will be futile. They have declared themselves as **** . just remember their forum name and ignore them
But if you watch the video the D actually had 3 guys near the blue line once I puck carrier was entering the zone. The best that could have happened was a two on two entering the zone. At no point was that a risk of a 2 on 1 if it was played properly. Which is another thing in itself because it looked like the defense was turning the other way for a possible fast break which is what the EASHL really is, a offensive style league where defense is pretty much optional.
I'm shocked I'm coming into a thread to defend Cogs, and disappointed that nobody has mentioned that EA's vision control is really the root of what's going on here. That play looks exactly like what happens when I'm gliding back while holding L2, and try to shift a few feet to the right. Instead of doing one or two crossovers, the defender treats that as if I want to back skate in the direction of the LS, and makes it almost impossible to correct that and get back over to the left.
You can't maintain your gap in this scenario, because you either lose all backwards momentum like this, or you have to give the forward that extra freedom to go back and forth and hope you can get stay in the shooting lane long enough for a back checker to take the puck from him. This sort of defending is easy to do in real life, but the skating engine makes it a far more complicated task.
this right here is the biggest problem with playing defense now compared to pre TPS days. Not just playing defense but playing without the puck in general. I don't care what it looks like, how unrealistic it might seem, etc... they need to get that cleaned up.
This happens all the time if youre holding the left stick to one of the sides a bit and go for a poke.
Here he's backskating, but pretty obvious he started pushing right on his left stick. Just started to swerve too much instead of staying straight on with the guy. Then goes for a desperation poke because he isn't lined up anymore.
The reach animation of the poke while holding the left stick left or right on the poke press takes you out of position. The poke is a lunge at this point because you're skating into it. If you aren't holding the left stick to the left or right, the user isn't dragged out of position for the poke reach.
It's like he wants to go for a sweep with the stick but pokes are just that right now - pokes. Better off just holding left stick @ 6 oclock and timing the poke or letting the forward skate into you for a check.
Regardless it's a bad play anyways on the dmans part. You're the last man back, why start charging at the forward for a poke? Go for a hit if you're going to skate into him. Just keep backing up if you're going to poke. Defense isn't that hard anymore and good defense right now is done by constantly staying between the puck and the net. As a forward, I know some terrible players in EASHL that can look decent on defense by just not taking risks, backing up, poking, and understanding when they have help to make a play like the one in the clip. Make the forwards get around you, but in this clip the defenseman did all the work for the forward.
I'm being serious dude. Its utter **** for a DMAN to be lined up perfectly with how horrid tps is and how horrid thr servers are when pick any dam hockey game ever played at any level, d men are able to strip the luck carrier of the puck and knock it loose if the winger is being careless.
In online vs. I get stripped of the puck by players I BEAT and they were poking me from HORRIBLE angles .....so this he has to be perfectly lines up thing is nonsense.
I'm being serious dude. Its utter ****. for a DMAN to be lined up perfectly with how horrid tps is and how horrid thr servers are when pick any dam hockey game ever played at any level, d men are able to strip the luck carrier of the puck and knock it loose if the winger is being careless.
In online vs. I get stripped of the puck by players I BEAT and they were poking me from HORRIBLE angles .....so this he has to be perfectly lines up thing is nonsense.
I'm playing defense in LG this season so I'm getting my own taste of things, but most of what I said still rings true. I don't believe I said you need to be perfectly lined up, just stay in front of the guy. I've got my own beef with miracle pokes from defenders I've beaten that are behind me but that's a different discussion in itself.
Ok. Well...anyways NHL 18 is righr around the corner and we will see how this defensive skill stick is . if done right can really separate the skill gap between players
I'm being serious dude. Its utter ****. for a DMAN to be lined up perfectly with how horrid tps is and how horrid thr servers are when pick any dam hockey game ever played at any level, d men are able to strip the luck carrier of the puck and knock it loose if the winger is being careless.
In online vs. I get stripped of the puck by players I BEAT and they were poking me from HORRIBLE angles .....so this he has to be perfectly lines up thing is nonsense.
I'm playing defense in LG this season so I'm getting my own taste of things, but most of what I said still rings true. I don't believe I said you need to be perfectly lined up, just stay in front of the guy. I've got my own beef with miracle pokes from defenders I've beaten that are behind me but that's a different discussion in itself.
Pretty much this, yep.
The problem with some people is that they think they have to shadow the puck holder stride for stride, turn for turn. I tend to ignore them when they try to weave in and out and try to keep to their general line of attack while steadily closing the gap. Once they're near me it's an easy thing to stick lift or bump them off the puck.
Most comical feature of this game is how fast a player (usually an AI) can fly from one end of the board to the other (latteral), it's especially annoying when you take posession of the puck in your own end and an opposing centre flies from the blueline towards the the puck carrier on the other side of the ice where you attempt to move the puck up out of your defensive zone.
This happens all the time if youre holding the left stick to one of the sides a bit and go for a poke.
Here he's backskating, but pretty obvious he started pushing right on his left stick. Just started to swerve too much instead of staying straight on with the guy. Then goes for a desperation poke because he isn't lined up anymore.
The reach animation of the poke while holding the left stick left or right on the poke press takes you out of position. The poke is a lunge at this point because you're skating into it. If you aren't holding the left stick to the left or right, the user isn't dragged out of position for the poke reach.
It's like he wants to go for a sweep with the stick but pokes are just that right now - pokes. Better off just holding left stick @ 6 oclock and timing the poke or letting the forward skate into you for a check.
Regardless it's a bad play anyways on the dmans part. You're the last man back, why start charging at the forward for a poke? Go for a hit if you're going to skate into him. Just keep backing up if you're going to poke. Defense isn't that hard anymore and good defense right now is done by constantly staying between the puck and the net. As a forward, I know some terrible players in EASHL that can look decent on defense by just not taking risks, backing up, poking, and understanding when they have help to make a play like the one in the clip. Make the forwards get around you, but in this clip the defenseman did all the work for the forward.
Guy, everything you just said, is rubbish! You don't think I know how to play defence?
The guy was speed bursting up the middle of the ice, you know when puck control is suppose to be less, and you can get knocked off the puck.
Does that happen? The whole point of the clip is to show unrealistic a simple poke check should be when a player isn't doing anything other the skating into a defensemen. This is the problem with this game and you being a game changer and you defend this play. I'm simply outlining simple physics and simple hockey.
I don't care if in NHL 17 this was the wrong play. This clip is to show what's wrong with the game. Defense doesn't exist. You even mention pokes from behind, which is another unrealistic thing. EA and game changers miss the finer details of hockey.
As said before, would it hurt anyone if the poke actually worked?
It would create more puck movement, less dipsy doodling and allow defense to do there job!
This happens all the time if youre holding the left stick to one of the sides a bit and go for a poke.
Here he's backskating, but pretty obvious he started pushing right on his left stick. Just started to swerve too much instead of staying straight on with the guy. Then goes for a desperation poke because he isn't lined up anymore.
The reach animation of the poke while holding the left stick left or right on the poke press takes you out of position. The poke is a lunge at this point because you're skating into it. If you aren't holding the left stick to the left or right, the user isn't dragged out of position for the poke reach.
It's like he wants to go for a sweep with the stick but pokes are just that right now - pokes. Better off just holding left stick @ 6 oclock and timing the poke or letting the forward skate into you for a check.
Regardless it's a bad play anyways on the dmans part. You're the last man back, why start charging at the forward for a poke? Go for a hit if you're going to skate into him. Just keep backing up if you're going to poke. Defense isn't that hard anymore and good defense right now is done by constantly staying between the puck and the net. As a forward, I know some terrible players in EASHL that can look decent on defense by just not taking risks, backing up, poking, and understanding when they have help to make a play like the one in the clip. Make the forwards get around you, but in this clip the defenseman did all the work for the forward.
But he's not charging the player at all. He's gliding backwards to maintain gap control, and presses right on the LS, expecting that his momentum that's carrying him backwards would be preserved, but the game doesn't allow you to simply do a crossover, so it turns his hips away from the play and into an unrecoverable position.
I know what you'll say, then just hold down on the LS and only slightly to the right, but that means accelerating away from the player you're trying to defend, and it's not intuitive when pressing nothing will glide you back at the speed you want and moving laterally in a one on one situation is a fairly basic thing to do even in real life.
It's not a complaint that you can't play defense well enough to stop the opponent from scoring, it's that the most effective defense right now (as you described) is terribly boring and requires little to no actual strategy.
I can not believe some of you guys. Cogs posted what is an example (please notice that word: EXAMPLE) of a perfectly timed and directed poke, that ends up doing nothing.
And everybody feels they need to show how brilliant they are on tactical play and starts bashing down on how stupid it is to play aggressive D as the last man back.
Hey geniuses! We got that part!
Actually, most of us already did know that before you guys told us this about 78 times in this thread.
I can not believe some of you guys. Cogs posted what is an example (please notice that word: EXAMPLE) of a perfectly timed and directed poke, that ends up doing nothing.
And everybody feels they need to show how brilliant they are on tactical play and starts bashing down on how stupid it is to play aggressive D as the last man back.
Hey geniuses! We got that part!
Actually, most of us already did know that before you guys told us this about 78 times in this thread.
If it was a "perfectly timed" poke, he would have knocked the puck away, eh bud?
I can not believe some of you guys. Cogs posted what is an example (please notice that word: EXAMPLE) of a perfectly timed and directed poke, that ends up doing nothing.
And everybody feels they need to show how brilliant they are on tactical play and starts bashing down on how stupid it is to play aggressive D as the last man back.
Hey geniuses! We got that part!
Actually, most of us already did know that before you guys told us this about 78 times in this thread.
If it was a "perfectly timed" poke, he would have knocked the puck away, eh bud?
wrong because in the last couple of versions of this game stuff like this has become broken. It's exact opposite of what it should be. facing the defender, holding the puck within reach of his stick, should almost always result in lost or at least dislodged puck. unless a well timed stick handling move was executed.
and using your body, to shield your stick/puck from the defender, should make it near impossible for the defender to knock the puck away.
we all know the opposite is true. probably the most ideal situation is to have someone turn and try to skate away from you. either a) you will barely touch them, they will lose the puck and you will reach between their legs and pick it up and drag it back and be off or b) you will poke extremely far away and numerous things can happen but it's about probably 80% of the time in defenders favor.
in contrast skate right at someone and do almost nothing .. maybe some forehand/backhand drags, maybe some cuts, mostly while gliding slowly and likely you can just keep it, lose it and get it back, etc.. definitely the best way to draw tripping.
Why even respond to that guy ? People love to talk a big game on these boards. They prob are average at best so credibility goes right out the window.
I would love to play this goof @Workin_OT and mop the floor with him . I would laugh as I expose him and would make sure I beat and undress him so bad he NEVER talks about Defence.
I'm cool with everyone having an opinion , but you better back up what you say when you come off as if youre so good.
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At this point in time, one should be aware that a stick isn't going to 'physically move' another stick (unless you use stick lift). This is a video game, not real life. You can't go into replay mode with your magnifying glass and try to justify a mistake like we see in the OP by saying, 'in the real world that would have worked, this game is trash, **** you ea.'
Therefore, using the excuse of, 'in the real world that was a good play and he should have never got past me and scored..' is asinine.
That's why I always say to take accountability for your mistakes, start blaming yourself. You are the one controlling your player, it's your fault if you try a home run poke check as the last man back and miss.
Sure there are some things that are out of our control or make it harder to make the correct play (RNG, lag, etc.) But again, if you could loop this play inch for inch over and over again except you had free control over that defenseman, there would be multiple ways you could control him to make a successful play. It then becomes fact that it is your fault, not the games, when you control your player in such a way that you made an unsuccessful play, eh bud?
I'll be 44 in less than a month myself. I have to ask...how the *%$# do you maintain patience at your age with this game? I have a few bad lag days in a row and I'm ready to throw the damn console out the window and break the modem.
What do you see when you do that ? You see only 1 defender back and if the winger knew ANYTHING about hockey , HE would have known hes got a clear 2 on 1 with nothing but open ice .
What does the goof with the puck do with the obvious 2 on 1 and nothing but open ice ? He skates right next to and into the path of his TEAMATE rendering him absolutely useless and completely taking him out of the play.
what else does he do ? Despite having nothing but open ice HE takes the path that LEADS RIGHT INTO THE DMAN.
2 HUGE just beyond comprehension mistakes and I already mentioned the 3rd mistake earlier in this thread of him RELYING ON THIS GAME TO BAIL HIM OUT because he makes ABSOLUTELY ZERO attempt to protect the puck and just skates as if there wasnt a DMAN right in front of his face.
Anyone who puts blame on the defender on this play and calls out the defender when the winger has made mistake after stupid mistake after stupid mistake is an idiot . thats just the truth.
Dont try and argue with them , it will be futile. They have declared themselves as idiots . just remember their forum name and ignore them
I don't...
I yell at my screen all the time when I play this game. But I know going in what I'm getting into when I boot up my console and fire up this software. I know that, even though good people like Ben ( @NHLDev ) try to put in as much "hockey" as they possibly can, this game plays nearly NOTHING like the sport I love. In real hockey, hard work is rewarded. Are there lucky goals and random stuff that happens in a real hockey game? Sure, but a team that relies on "randomness" or "luck" to win games won't get very far.
NHL 17 rewards random and luck far too often. Again, not saying randomness or luck NEVER happen in real life. But they lead to success at a ridiculously high rate in this game. Attacker skates into the zone and lobs a muffin on net even though the goalie comes out to challenge and covers his angles? Goal. Defense brakes up the play successfully with a nice poke check to push the puck away? Puck goes onto opponent's stick anyways. Goal. Lay out a guy at the blue line to take away the puck? He'll get up immediately and grab the puck while YOU are still in "recovery" animation. Goal. It's the same thing over and over again.
The other thing I do is when I feel like the game is being "unfair" I just turn the console off or I play something else.
But I love hockey and EA NHL series is all we have. There is a good game underneath all the sludge. You just have to really dig to find the little pieces of gold within...
I agree basically on every word you just said here, even the part about there being a good game under the sludge. Fact is a top company like EA owes us a better experience than what they are giving us right now. They charge full price for the game for over half the year (I think it's 40 right now) and sell those HUT packs like they are going out of style. I know they have pockets to pad and palms to grease. You would think that FIFA is their cash cow by a LONG SHOT, and it would make sense to me if they would use some of that earnings to help NHL live a better life rather than it being the red-headed step-child year after year.
You can't maintain your gap in this scenario, because you either lose all backwards momentum like this, or you have to give the forward that extra freedom to go back and forth and hope you can get stay in the shooting lane long enough for a back checker to take the puck from him. This sort of defending is easy to do in real life, but the skating engine makes it a far more complicated task.
But if you watch the video the D actually had 3 guys near the blue line once I puck carrier was entering the zone. The best that could have happened was a two on two entering the zone. At no point was that a risk of a 2 on 1 if it was played properly. Which is another thing in itself because it looked like the defense was turning the other way for a possible fast break which is what the EASHL really is, a offensive style league where defense is pretty much optional.
this right here is the biggest problem with playing defense now compared to pre TPS days. Not just playing defense but playing without the puck in general. I don't care what it looks like, how unrealistic it might seem, etc... they need to get that cleaned up.
Here he's backskating, but pretty obvious he started pushing right on his left stick. Just started to swerve too much instead of staying straight on with the guy. Then goes for a desperation poke because he isn't lined up anymore.
The reach animation of the poke while holding the left stick left or right on the poke press takes you out of position. The poke is a lunge at this point because you're skating into it. If you aren't holding the left stick to the left or right, the user isn't dragged out of position for the poke reach.
It's like he wants to go for a sweep with the stick but pokes are just that right now - pokes. Better off just holding left stick @ 6 oclock and timing the poke or letting the forward skate into you for a check.
Regardless it's a bad play anyways on the dmans part. You're the last man back, why start charging at the forward for a poke? Go for a hit if you're going to skate into him. Just keep backing up if you're going to poke. Defense isn't that hard anymore and good defense right now is done by constantly staying between the puck and the net. As a forward, I know some terrible players in EASHL that can look decent on defense by just not taking risks, backing up, poking, and understanding when they have help to make a play like the one in the clip. Make the forwards get around you, but in this clip the defenseman did all the work for the forward.
I'm being serious dude. Its utter **** for a DMAN to be lined up perfectly with how horrid tps is and how horrid thr servers are when pick any dam hockey game ever played at any level, d men are able to strip the luck carrier of the puck and knock it loose if the winger is being careless.
In online vs. I get stripped of the puck by players I BEAT and they were poking me from HORRIBLE angles .....so this he has to be perfectly lines up thing is nonsense.
I'm playing defense in LG this season so I'm getting my own taste of things, but most of what I said still rings true. I don't believe I said you need to be perfectly lined up, just stay in front of the guy. I've got my own beef with miracle pokes from defenders I've beaten that are behind me but that's a different discussion in itself.
Pretty much this, yep.
The problem with some people is that they think they have to shadow the puck holder stride for stride, turn for turn. I tend to ignore them when they try to weave in and out and try to keep to their general line of attack while steadily closing the gap. Once they're near me it's an easy thing to stick lift or bump them off the puck.
Guy, everything you just said, is rubbish! You don't think I know how to play defence?
The guy was speed bursting up the middle of the ice, you know when puck control is suppose to be less, and you can get knocked off the puck.
Does that happen? The whole point of the clip is to show unrealistic a simple poke check should be when a player isn't doing anything other the skating into a defensemen. This is the problem with this game and you being a game changer and you defend this play. I'm simply outlining simple physics and simple hockey.
I don't care if in NHL 17 this was the wrong play. This clip is to show what's wrong with the game. Defense doesn't exist. You even mention pokes from behind, which is another unrealistic thing. EA and game changers miss the finer details of hockey.
As said before, would it hurt anyone if the poke actually worked?
It would create more puck movement, less dipsy doodling and allow defense to do there job!
But he's not charging the player at all. He's gliding backwards to maintain gap control, and presses right on the LS, expecting that his momentum that's carrying him backwards would be preserved, but the game doesn't allow you to simply do a crossover, so it turns his hips away from the play and into an unrecoverable position.
I know what you'll say, then just hold down on the LS and only slightly to the right, but that means accelerating away from the player you're trying to defend, and it's not intuitive when pressing nothing will glide you back at the speed you want and moving laterally in a one on one situation is a fairly basic thing to do even in real life.
It's not a complaint that you can't play defense well enough to stop the opponent from scoring, it's that the most effective defense right now (as you described) is terribly boring and requires little to no actual strategy.
And everybody feels they need to show how brilliant they are on tactical play and starts bashing down on how stupid it is to play aggressive D as the last man back.
Hey geniuses! We got that part!
Actually, most of us already did know that before you guys told us this about 78 times in this thread.
If it was a "perfectly timed" poke, he would have knocked the puck away, eh bud?
wrong because in the last couple of versions of this game stuff like this has become broken. It's exact opposite of what it should be. facing the defender, holding the puck within reach of his stick, should almost always result in lost or at least dislodged puck. unless a well timed stick handling move was executed.
and using your body, to shield your stick/puck from the defender, should make it near impossible for the defender to knock the puck away.
we all know the opposite is true. probably the most ideal situation is to have someone turn and try to skate away from you. either a) you will barely touch them, they will lose the puck and you will reach between their legs and pick it up and drag it back and be off or b) you will poke extremely far away and numerous things can happen but it's about probably 80% of the time in defenders favor.
in contrast skate right at someone and do almost nothing .. maybe some forehand/backhand drags, maybe some cuts, mostly while gliding slowly and likely you can just keep it, lose it and get it back, etc.. definitely the best way to draw tripping.
Why even respond to that guy ? People love to talk a big game on these boards. They prob are average at best so credibility goes right out the window.
I would love to play this goof @Workin_OT and mop the floor with him . I would laugh as I expose him and would make sure I beat and undress him so bad he NEVER talks about Defence.
I'm cool with everyone having an opinion , but you better back up what you say when you come off as if youre so good.