Venom I don't understand how you refuse to defend this play, but get annoyed with solid positioning in goaltending and complain that you're getting beat. Same thing, different position. Same argument could be made that you just suck at goaltending because you don't sit deep in your net and move less. Duh. Play the game the way NHL 17 wants you to play and get good.
Venom I don't understand how you refuse to defend this play, but get annoyed with solid positioning in goaltending and complain that you're getting beat. Same thing, different position. Same argument could be made that you just suck at goaltending because you don't sit deep in your net and move less. Duh. Play the game the way NHL 17 wants you to play and get good.
(see how stupid it sounds?)
I fail to follow your logic: The game didn't force him to move to the right, he did that on his own. We're not talking about the attacker somehow going through him or even AROUND him because he got "stuck" in an animation here. He went for a grand slam play! He poked the puck and immediately moved to the side where he THOUGHT the puck was going to end up on his stick so he could be the hero.
Again, could the game have knocked away the player's stick? I'd think so, yes. But even if it did, the attacker could've continued moving forward while recovering the puck, and COGs would still be out of position because of his OWN actions.
It's not just about playing NHL 17 the way the GAME wants you to: I play goalie like I want to, and I have more success than failures (most of the time, when I get some help from my teammates). But what "jimbo" did was the equivalent of me flying completely out of my net using the RS stick and then complaining that I couldn't stop a shot into a completely open net... Duuuuuuuuuuh!
Some decent points stated above. You guys need to realize one thing about that clip tho... the defenders stick never actually touches the puck. It actually make contact with the lower half of the stick. That does not warrant a successful poke check in my opinion.
Now that being said, is there a problem with the poke check mechanic in the game overall? Yes I think so. Because the offensive player makes no attempt to shield or dangle the puck in that clip that poke really shoulda been money in the bank but current game mechanics don't allow that.
Maybe if the game doesnt give us a defensive skill stick the poke check is reprogrammed to detect the puck so when you hit poke, it's automatically aimed for the puck like 2 magnets.
I still stick to my guns that if the defender had cut back rather than forward after missing that poke he'd have been able to null him out and this would probably have been a non issue.
True but IF Full Collision is on, might that been a different scenario?
I've been in (as what I can see with my naked eyes on the tv) perfect position (block a shot, hit someone) and they are able to maintain control of the puck through my body or warp past me. Ride them into the boards and they bounce off of them in better position than they were before I rode them in.
Would Full Collision being ON prevent these idiosyncrasies from happening in the First Place?
The different scenario that I see happening with full collision implemented still results in the forward getting behind the defense.
Venom I don't understand how you refuse to defend this play, but get annoyed with solid positioning in goaltending and complain that you're getting beat. Same thing, different position. Same argument could be made that you just suck at goaltending because you don't sit deep in your net and move less. Duh. Play the game the way NHL 17 wants you to play and get good.
(see how stupid it sounds?)
I fail to follow your logic: The game didn't force him to move to the right, he did that on his own. We're not talking about the attacker somehow going through him or even AROUND him because he got "stuck" in an animation here. He went for a grand slam play! He poked the puck and immediately moved to the side where he THOUGHT the puck was going to end up on his stick so he could be the hero.
Again, could the game have knocked away the player's stick? I'd think so, yes. But even if it did, the attacker could've continued moving forward while recovering the puck, and COGs would still be out of position because of his OWN actions.
It's not just about playing NHL 17 the way the GAME wants you to: I play goalie like I want to, and I have more success than failures (most of the time, when I get some help from my teammates). But what "jimbo" did was the equivalent of me flying completely out of my net using the RS stick and then complaining that I couldn't stop a shot into a completely open net... Duuuuuuuuuuh!
Mission Failed, sir!
I don't think that's a fair reference at all. I think a fair reference was if he was going for a hit and missed completely. This is more like tracking the shooter, getting in the lane, poking at the RIGHT moment (not according to what happened, but in real life this is a perfect scenario to poke the puck) and then not getting anything out of it. Just like tracking the shooter, he shoots cross grain and your goalie moves out of the way of the shot. Yeah, you should have made a save because you were in perfect position from when the shot was taken, as was this defender in perfect position for a good poke check, however the game decided that he wasn't going to connect on that puck NOR at the very least knock the puck loose.
That little clip, right there, is the perfect example of why people are running away from this game.
He's in perfect position to poke the puck away and start a counter attack.
But the game decides his stick is too high, too much to the left or whatever, we as players can not control.
So the result from playing, what should be the perfect break up play, is that you're way out of position, and often an easy goal for your opponent, just to top it off.
I am old enough to remember NHL94 and how we were discussing how cool it would've been if we could do dekes, little did we know that dekes would be what destroyed our beloved game.
From the moment dekes came into play, you would get all these situations where it looked like you were in perfect position, only to be beaten by an untouchable deke, pretty much like the hold your stick out to the side bubble, that we all have learned to love ...?
They've built upon this, so now goalies are throwing the puck through opposing attackers, defenders are playing the breakout pass through attackers lurking at the blue line ... and so on.
This game is now, in such a state, that you do want to give as few inputs as possible.
Like the other guys are saying, do not try to break up the play or intercept passes.
Just skate with the play, beg for the overpowered incidental contact, to go your way (for once), or for your opponent to miss his shot.
Heck, maybe he'll whiff ...? That happens more often than what you would imagine.
Just try to stay between the puck carrier and your goal, without ever trying to play hockey.
It has gotten to a state where I have to say "don't bite", to myself whenever I am defending.
It has some positive effects though, wifey thinks I've finally snapped and leaves me alone.
And the neighbours are showing some new found respect for my dog.
Same for loose pucks, do not try to win it or, by any means, try to reach for it.
Just skate up close to the puck, let go of your controller, fold your hands and beg that the animation for puck pickup, will kick in for you first.
In my opinion, they need to get the game back to where it plays like it looks.
If you are in position to intercept a pass, you should do it.
If you have lined up a guy for the hit, you should separate him from the puck, and be first to pick it up.
Not beeing steered away from what appears to be some magnetic mumbo jumbo.
Or, like in this clip, if you have perfect position to poke the puck away, you should do just that, not miss by an inch and end up out of position.
That's my 2€, anyway....
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(see how stupid it sounds?)
I fail to follow your logic: The game didn't force him to move to the right, he did that on his own. We're not talking about the attacker somehow going through him or even AROUND him because he got "stuck" in an animation here. He went for a grand slam play! He poked the puck and immediately moved to the side where he THOUGHT the puck was going to end up on his stick so he could be the hero.
Again, could the game have knocked away the player's stick? I'd think so, yes. But even if it did, the attacker could've continued moving forward while recovering the puck, and COGs would still be out of position because of his OWN actions.
It's not just about playing NHL 17 the way the GAME wants you to: I play goalie like I want to, and I have more success than failures (most of the time, when I get some help from my teammates). But what "jimbo" did was the equivalent of me flying completely out of my net using the RS stick and then complaining that I couldn't stop a shot into a completely open net... Duuuuuuuuuuh!
Mission Failed, sir!
The different scenario that I see happening with full collision implemented still results in the forward getting behind the defense.
Yo that was a sick deke! How he went forehand, backhand, forehand so quick is
I don't think that's a fair reference at all. I think a fair reference was if he was going for a hit and missed completely. This is more like tracking the shooter, getting in the lane, poking at the RIGHT moment (not according to what happened, but in real life this is a perfect scenario to poke the puck) and then not getting anything out of it. Just like tracking the shooter, he shoots cross grain and your goalie moves out of the way of the shot. Yeah, you should have made a save because you were in perfect position from when the shot was taken, as was this defender in perfect position for a good poke check, however the game decided that he wasn't going to connect on that puck NOR at the very least knock the puck loose.
Agree