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NHL 17 unrealistic physics ( lets see those videos and post accordingly)

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  • Lynch-CAN wrote: »
    Lynch-CAN wrote: »
    COGSx86 wrote: »
    EA needs to address this, this is my biggest issue with this game, the guy dipsy doddling around for the first 10 seconds is a joke



    This is one of the rare times I completely agree with you, puck carrier agility needs a nerf or at least better stick on stick or stick on legs collision so that they lose the puck pulling off this cheese.

    I can't believe the guy thinks thats a possible goal of the year, it was terrible.

    It doesn't need to be nerfed though. They need to fix what ever has been plaguing online play for the last 3 or so years. The developers know the same as anyone that has a clue that the game does not play fair online. The guy with the puck was not experiencing any kind of input lag whatsoever while the other side obviously was. I have been on the winning and losing ends of this exact **** way too many times to remember - too many times to even bother playing eashl anymore. If it's not input lag, then IMO it's even worse and the garbage comeback momentum/ice tilt that they deny. In those situations it's time to just quit the game!

    I believe there is some kind of ice tilt in the game as well but in this instance, in my opinion, it's just bad defense combined with bad physics and the jerky/twitchy deking style that makes it very hard to get a poke or hit on someone. Once stick lifts are back this type of play won't be seen nearly as much.

    Also in that video it was a human goalie that didn't even budge when he went back hand with the puck. So 5 players taking runs and missing mixed with a slow reacting goalie doesn't seem ice tilty to me. If even one of those players played good defensively and backskated while staying square he never would of made it to even the hashmarks. Way too aggressive on defense.

    Like I said, bad physics, bad D, bad goalie.

    Well like I said, I think it is something to do with lag. I take it you're one of the people that has not experienced input delay? Imagine you see he's going one way and it takes you a second longer than your opponent to go that direction. That's enough time for someone that doesn't blow to then start moving the other way. IMO that is why the twitchy wiggle issue is so obvious this year. Someone with a good connection can just twitch & wiggle all the way up the ice because their connection is better than yours. Eventually even if you're as patient as you can be, you do end up in your zone with them having a scoring chance hoping the game decides it's going to just hit your d man.

    It's hard not to feel superior for some in this series when you're up against someone that has a poor connection - especially when half of the people don't even realize they have a poor connection (blows my mind). I played EASHL with 5 friends and 3 of us decided we can't bother with this series anymore because of input delay. Two of the players said there was no input delay and that we should continue. We went to their house to see for ourselves... Of course like we thought, there was a 2 second delay when you tried to skate side to side and for whatever reason mentally they actually did not have the ability to detect that!

    I just mentioned the ice tilt / momentum in case you're the type to argue that there is no input lag, then IMO it is obviously a code issue. The one guy tried to just run him from behind at one point and from what I can see, it looks like he should have been paralyzed ;) I agree the defense was not the greatest, but I did see moments where it was obvious there was nothing they could do even if they did just square up and be patient. I think I have either played this series too long or you haven't played enough that you see this as just a poor defensive effort.

    I've had delay before I moved and switched my ISP, so yes, I realize there is delay in some games, 2 guys on my club have lag, but its because of their connection. Since I've moved I almost never get delay.

    So sure, a couple of players may have had delay, but all 5? I still think overly agressive defense was the major factor leading to that goal.
  • Bmh245 wrote: »
    Bmh245 wrote: »
    COGSx86 wrote: »
    Sometimes I think EA does this, so goals get scored




    2wnp72q.jpg

    Setting aside the fact that the puck would never fit through that little space beneath Pavelec's pads, these two clips show completely different things. Pavelec's space is created by being in butterfly, which angles the pads up. In the game clip, the puck goes underneath the end of the pad, which is somehow miraculously off the ground.

    Nothing about the goalie's reaction in the game clip make sense. He semi-drops to butterly, but then doesn't use his stick to block the 5-hole. He has the shot covered with his right pad if he does what Pavelec does, but instead he sort of waves at it with his stick and lowers his pads in the middle, even though the shot is to his outside. Just a complete joke, and yet another example of the game arbitrarily gifting one team a goal.

    In that photo his right pad is off the ice because it is actually resting on his stick blade. For the last 4 years or so, goalie pads are perfectly flush to the ice when in butterfly. They are designed that way.

    Interesting. Makes those goals you see in this game even sillier.

    Yup.

    Here's an example of how slightly older pads would rise up near the 5 hole:

    cristobal-huet-butterfly-washington1.jpg



    And here is an example of newer pads, which offer a flush surface:

    montreal-que-september-25-2015-montreal-canadiens-goal.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1


    IRL, pads can bounce slightly off the ice on impact when dropping into the butterfly. It bounces up and comes right back down in 1 second, maybe. Of course, in the game, all goalies have perfect butterflies so this is not supposed to be an issue. Maybe EA programmed it in, but I find that to be exceedingly unlikely.

    Silly post, one the goalie is moving so ya, and 2nd the goalie is stationary.
  • wish i saved a video of a high blocker save while moving right that had the rebound going through my goalie and to the left. Bizarre! Followed by a goal because of 2 desperation auto covers I didnt initiate that weren't even needed.

    Sometimes i think this game screws up just so i let one in. :lol:
  • Bmh245 wrote: »
    Bmh245 wrote: »
    COGSx86 wrote: »
    Sometimes I think EA does this, so goals get scored




    2wnp72q.jpg

    Setting aside the fact that the puck would never fit through that little space beneath Pavelec's pads, these two clips show completely different things. Pavelec's space is created by being in butterfly, which angles the pads up. In the game clip, the puck goes underneath the end of the pad, which is somehow miraculously off the ground.

    Nothing about the goalie's reaction in the game clip make sense. He semi-drops to butterly, but then doesn't use his stick to block the 5-hole. He has the shot covered with his right pad if he does what Pavelec does, but instead he sort of waves at it with his stick and lowers his pads in the middle, even though the shot is to his outside. Just a complete joke, and yet another example of the game arbitrarily gifting one team a goal.

    In that photo his right pad is off the ice because it is actually resting on his stick blade. For the last 4 years or so, goalie pads are perfectly flush to the ice when in butterfly. They are designed that way.

    Interesting. Makes those goals you see in this game even sillier.

    Yup.

    Here's an example of how slightly older pads would rise up near the 5 hole:

    cristobal-huet-butterfly-washington1.jpg



    And here is an example of newer pads, which offer a flush surface:

    montreal-que-september-25-2015-montreal-canadiens-goal.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1


    IRL, pads can bounce slightly off the ice on impact when dropping into the butterfly. It bounces up and comes right back down in 1 second, maybe. Of course, in the game, all goalies have perfect butterflies so this is not supposed to be an issue. Maybe EA programmed it in, but I find that to be exceedingly unlikely.

    Silly post, one the goalie is moving so ya, and 2nd the goalie is stationary.

    What are you talking about? The bottom pic is simply sealing a five-hole and the other one is flaring a pad out to make a save and kick it away from his net. And what you said has nothing to do with showing a square thigh rise compared to a tapered one
  • strategg101
    823 posts Member
    edited October 2016
    ohh geeze, sorry, but its a bad example. Not sure why you are even defending it. :lol:
    Ohh wait, no i do know why you are, because your a troll. There is your toll "now bugger off" :p
  • ohh geeze, sorry, but its a bad example. Not sure why you are even defending it. :lol:
    Ohh wait, no i do know why you are, because your a troll. There is your toll "now bugger off" :p

    From what I read, the example has nothing to do with the saves the goalies are making, it's about old vs new pad style, the first pic it shows the curve on the upper inside corner of the pads, the second pic shows the newer style that is square, so it doesn't have a hole while stationary in butterfly, like the pads in the first pic would have.

  • Wow, now first the player should never let guys get behind him but wow!


    You must unlearn what you have learned!
  • Lynch-CAN wrote: »
    ohh geeze, sorry, but its a bad example. Not sure why you are even defending it. :lol:
    Ohh wait, no i do know why you are, because your a troll. There is your toll "now bugger off" :p

    From what I read, the example has nothing to do with the saves the goalies are making, it's about old vs new pad style, the first pic it shows the curve on the upper inside corner of the pads, the second pic shows the newer style that is square, so it doesn't have a hole while stationary in butterfly, like the pads in the first pic would have.

    Every single discussion this guy gets involved with goes completely over his head so you have to explain it to him a few times before he gets it and even then he still may not understand
  • COGSx86 wrote: »
    Wow, now first the player should never let guys get behind him but wow!



    Yeah eric is in the Simulation vs Arcade thread trying to justify that as how the class system is supposed to work lol pucks passing through sticks is apparently a working part of the game in his mind.
  • Lynch-CAN wrote: »
    ohh geeze, sorry, but its a bad example. Not sure why you are even defending it. :lol:
    Ohh wait, no i do know why you are, because your a troll. There is your toll "now bugger off" :p

    From what I read, the example has nothing to do with the saves the goalies are making, it's about old vs new pad style, the first pic it shows the curve on the upper inside corner of the pads, the second pic shows the newer style that is square, so it doesn't have a hole while stationary in butterfly, like the pads in the first pic would have.

    Every single discussion this guy gets involved with goes completely over his head so you have to explain it to him a few times before he gets it and even then he still may not understand

    LOL, no kidding. Almost impressive though, in a sense. Just not a positive one lol.
  • Not necessarily unrealistic as such but a series of interesting bounces and deflections:



    You will note how the stick that seems to be trying to be preventing the puck going in is actually one of my guys', ie. the ones trying to score! :o But the momemtum is strong with me this time...

  • Sure goal stops to invisible wall


    Goalies stupid save leads to a goal. Puck should have bounced behind the goal, but there seems to be some kind of magnet in goal...
  • Greyinsi wrote: »

    Sure goal stops to invisible wall


    Goalies stupid save leads to a goal. Puck should have bounced behind the goal, but there seems to be some kind of magnet in goal...

    As I said even during the beta: Blocker saves are atrocious. Worst than they have ever been as far back as I can remember. They always take the dumbest bounces.
  • But the game lools good.
  • This is one of my bigger concerns is the foot work of the computer players. Especially on D. This happens time and time and time again. Computer AI steals puck from you with their feet.


    Good Call!!!
  • scrubes wrote: »
    how about a real case of puck through goalies pads.

    eashl

    http://xboxclips.com/kschepis/4de43485-1ede-4b03-84c2-dbd2af9055a9

    Good one!
  • Endlesstimes
    99 posts Member
    edited October 2016
    Positioning of the legs showing in the picture of the pads are closer in one picture than the other. Pads are the same. No difference!

    Sorry to disappoint you bud, but there is a HUGE difference. I had the same pads as the Washington goalie and have since switched the the Premiere IV model (which is the same as CCM btw). They are VERY different.

    Sorry bud, but it is all how you tie your straps down if loose this will happen with any pad! Also BUD if your legs are not flush to the ground this will also happen with BOTH type of pads. So ya Bud we have tried them all out here at our rinks and many players have went threw every type made on the market!

    So sorry to tell you BUD your wrong on that one!!!! :)

    P.S. Oh ya did I mention wear and tear! Ha lol
  • COGSx86 wrote: »
    Sgt_Kelso wrote: »
    I think this is a bit stretching the plausible:


    Kopitar sure is flying out there.

    nice lol

    Wow this is funny!

  • Positioning of the legs showing in the picture of the pads are closer in one picture than the other. Pads are the same. No difference!

    Sorry to disappoint you bud, but there is a HUGE difference. I had the same pads as the Washington goalie and have since switched the the Premiere IV model (which is the same as CCM btw). They are VERY different.

    Sorry bud, but it is all how you tie your straps down if loose this will happen with any pad! Also BUD if your legs are not flush to the ground this will also happen with BOTH type of pads. So ya Bud we have tried them all out here at our rinks and many players have went threw every type made on the market!

    So sorry to tell you BUD your wrong on that one!!!! :)

    P.S. Oh ya did I mention wear and tear! Ha lol

    When are you scheduled to return to your planet?
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